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Glathull
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
410
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Posted - 2014.06.12 04:53:00 -
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I would be completely into the idea of individual war decs if the only way to declare them were through responses to forums posts.
Train Scout Drone Operation to V. Now. Or before June 3.
This public service announcement was brought to you by tears. Rivers and lakes of tears wept by people who were too busy griping about the changes to bother using them to their advantage. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2451
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Posted - 2014.06.12 06:19:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.
Stop being a bad You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system. You also not very good at checking out pilot history. vOv
Somebody using the game mechanics to their advantage, disgusting...
I believe the frightful James (whatever his name is) from the meanie bumpers does this all the time.
This is not a signature. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
820
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Posted - 2014.06.12 06:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: I'll just harass him for a while, bumping him into next week.
He can petition you for that
Not if you bump with multiple unrelated characters. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2014.06.12 08:19:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: I'll just harass him for a while, bumping him into next week.
He can petition you for that
Well he can, but CCP has made it pretty clear that bumping is a game mechanic that can be used without consequence.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2224
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Posted - 2014.06.12 08:23:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: I'll just harass him for a while, bumping him into next week.
He can petition you for that Well he can, but CCP has made it pretty clear that bumping is a game mechanic that can be used without consequence.
Nope.
This only works if he asks for money or whatever,
else it's considered as harassment.
10 Mill a year work already.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1376
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Posted - 2014.06.13 01:18:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Nope.
This only works if he asks for money or whatever,
else it's considered as harassment.
10 Mill a year work already.
As long has he has a justifiable name and doesn't stalk the guy was the last posted CCP logic on if it's harassment or not.
So 'get the heck out of my system and mine somewhere else' sounds a reasonable reason, provided if the other guy moves he doesn't follow.
Though a good suicide gank would be more effective.
I have some Catalysts if you are interested.... |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
488
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:10:00 -
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This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
If you hide in the NPC corps for immunity then it's breaking the concept of a PVP game.
"BUT I DONT WANT TO PVP"
I dont care. The instant you sell minerals, buy ships or sell modules you are PVP'ing. You are fueling the market and changing the economy. These are the sort of actions that people in Eve should go to war for, you don't get immunity because you fail to understand the concept of a player driven economy.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out) |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
488
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:12:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Nope.
This only works if he asks for money or whatever,
else it's considered as harassment.
10 Mill a year work already.
As long has he has a justifiable reason and doesn't stalk the guy was the last posted CCP logic on if it's harassment or not. So 'get the heck out of my system and mine somewhere else' sounds a reasonable reason, provided if the other guy moves he doesn't follow. If you follow too much, no reason stops it being harassment. Though a good suicide gank would be more effective. I have some Catalysts if you are interested....
He is mining and in direct competition with this player due to them using the same mining belts. This player is immune to standard mechanics because he is already abusing the mechanic of NPC corps. Any and all forms of interruption therefore should be justified. It's called 'A hostile takeover'. |
Dave Stark
6324
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:17:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?
m
because the wardec immunity of NPC corps is never abused. right? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1596
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:21:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out)
I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Dave Stark
6324
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:22:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Maeltstome wrote:This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out) I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.
but then where do players go when they drop corp? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
561
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:28:00 -
[102] - Quote
In highsec you can kill almost anyone.
Out of highsec you can kill anyone.
Want to kill anyone? Get out of highsec. How hard is that? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3797
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:29:00 -
[103] - Quote
I think every NPC corporation should be made available for joining. You only need to have some standings with them to be considered. And you drop into one chosen corporation when you leave a player corporation. Or you just go suspect until you join one. So you can hop around without a corporation at all if you don't mind being a blinky, rebellious outlaw. Or have CONCORD provide a pool for those that don't care about any affiliation.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
488
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Maeltstome wrote:This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out) I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out. but then where do players go when they drop corp?
Like i said, Faction Wars. Auto join Militia. Replace 'noob corps' with Militia when you drop corps too. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3797
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:55:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Like i said, Faction Wars. Auto join Militia. Replace 'noob corps' with Militia when you drop corps too.
No, no, no. This is not good game design. You don't shove the players face first into the dirt. You give them a motivation to happily jump in face first on their own volition.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
563
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:02:00 -
[106] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp.. I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether. 
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Dave Stark
6336
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:02:00 -
[107] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Maeltstome wrote:This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out) I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out. but then where do players go when they drop corp? Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..
and dumping people directly in to a corp with a war with no prior warning won't be abused at all. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5291
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:06:00 -
[108] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp.. I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether.
Even even easier would be remove highsec, local and make probes require 5 years account service
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2453
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:08:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Maeltstome wrote:This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.
Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.
** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out) I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.
So, somebody (this happened to me) signs up for Eve Online, a few days later real life gets in the way for four years, should come back to find that they are no longer in an NPC, but involved in Faction warfare, or whatever.
Players often come up with good ideas to improve the game, forcing folk out of NPCs is not one of them.
This is not a signature. |
Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:20:00 -
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Individual WD is called dueling
get to it.
Psychotic Monk for CSM9
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497
you want content in highsec? vote Monk |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
29
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:57:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Supplemented ISD Ezwal's cleanup since he missed a post. Carry on.
oooo an ISD -- ISD attack. Niiice 
On point. Wardeccing an individual?
Can you not hear it OP? The sound of pitchforks and spluttering torches, the voice of the mob baying its bloodlust and fury? But hark. Listen closer, closer, closer...... There, right there, the rubbing of the hands in glee as certain individuals run the numbers, figure the angles, compute the returns, apply just enough torque to the rules to bend them almost, but not quite to the point of banning, and embark on a spree of griefing the likes of which eve has never seen.
Is this the future you wish to bequeath to the anklebiters of eve? A future where the strong pick on the weak because they can, where just posting in the forums could get thousands of people wardeccing you as an individual?
Where undercutting a sell order gets you a visit from the local Merc Corp to explain why what you did was a bit naughty?
Where mining in a system gets you podded on a regular basis
Where whenever you undock you wake up in a clone vat
Where random people demand isk or they will wardec and grief you. Just you... not your corp or friends.. just you.
Its a horrible idea OP. Sorry but it would be like dropping chum in a pool of sharks and then going skinnydipping.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1610
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:30:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp.. I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether.
Yeah I suppose you're right. I was just spitballing.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
183
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:57:00 -
[113] - Quote
OP has a grudge.
He wants to get even.
Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...
Pot blaiming the kettle |
Revman Zim
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
258
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Posted - 2014.06.13 17:28:00 -
[114] - Quote
Let me see if I understand this correctly. The OP is in a combat ship in an ice field bumping miners and freighters. A pilot in an NPC corp who is bumped does not like that type of non-consensual PvP. So he takes action within the mechanics of the game and hires a merc corp to wardec the OP's corp. And now the OP is complaining about his inability to punish the pilot that he deliberately bumped.
WORKING AS INTENDED.
To solve your problem, I suggest stop bumping miners if you can't deal with the consequences. |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
173
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Posted - 2014.06.13 17:43:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:OP has a grudge.
He wants to get even.
Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...
Pot blaiming the kettle
Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.
I do like the idea of limited time in an NPC Corp. I do also like the Idea of Individual WD. Yes I know it can come with potential problems, but nothing surely unfixable. This will stop anyone using NPC corps to dominate a system. EVE is about player run Corps. To have this unfair advantage over them goes beyond reasonable. Especially for the smaller corp. Also let's be honest here, it also promotes staying in a NPC to be free from WD's
For those that say I want Hi sec pvp against indies or indeed scared of combat. I am an EX WH dweller and null dweller. Coming bk after a period outside the game. I was also happy with the WD if he actually logged them on at appropriate times.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5311
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Posted - 2014.06.13 17:46:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.
Not really
http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/the-evolution-of-catalyst-pilot.html
Cheap, easy and fun
Vape a minor today
Er.. I mean miner
No minors allowed in the casino
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2264
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:
Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.
Not really http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/the-evolution-of-catalyst-pilot.htmlCheap, easy and fun Vape a minor today Er.. I mean miner No minors allowed in the casino You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5313
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:38:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.
Well I cant use blasters, so Ill take your word for it, though is tracking that important when shooting a stationary Retriever?
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
571
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range. Well I cant use blasters, so Ill take your word for it, though is tracking that important when shooting a stationary Retriever? Well, you may be moving a bit. But it doesn't matter much since Retrievers have more than 6x the base signature radius of small blasters.
The lower range may reduce applied dps somewhat, unless you're good at quickly getting into optimal and staying there. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2983
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Posted - 2014.06.13 20:41:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote: Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.
Revenge negates any loss. You either want that ****** gank hull that CONCORD will take, or you want the tears of impotent rage that will occur as you exercise the act of giving zero fucks and blast his mining barge from the sky, even under wardec from his cronies.
"i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
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