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Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1369	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:10:00 - [31] - Quote So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine. Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships. The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest.
Brendan Anneto Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 32	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:20:00 - [32] - Quote Ohhh the high sec Pubbie tears are great with this thread. Think I will need a bigger bucket. I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.-á-á Proverbs 1:26-27
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 172	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:24:00 - [33] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine. Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships. The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest. You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1370	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:26:00 - [34] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on. No, I'm not missing the point. The whole point of bait ships is that they mine at the same time as being bait. Especially if you use a fleet of skiffs & procurers with an Orca or two to support them. Or you could simply drop to an NPC corp yourself and be safe from the Merc corp. You are missing the point and not availing yourself of your options. The system is fine.
In-Game Tools Please Republic University Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:53:00 - [35] - Quote Respond by creating an alt and bumping them endlessly as they try to mine. If you have friends in-game, get them to join in on the fun. Keep doing it. Be relentless. Inform them if they ever wardec you again, you will bump them until they quit. You also have the option to gank them. If you cannot do it yourself (should be no problem with Retrievers), hire out. What you should not do is expect CCP to adjust game mechanics to compensate for your current inability or lack of desire to engage these players using the current, working game mechanics.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2916	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:57:00 - [36] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine. Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships. The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest. You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Are you really that bad? You should just stop playing. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2916	Posted - 2014.06.11 04:58:00 - [37] - Quote In-Game Tools Please wrote: What you should not do is expect CCP to adjust game mechanics to compensate for your current inability or lack of desire to use third party tools that vastly outshine any crap that CCP could make in-game. I see what you did there. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 602	Posted - 2014.06.11 05:19:00 - [38] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head. NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people. Well, cupcake, this is YOUR lucky day. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right? There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences. Your choice, change locale or accept consequences. But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse? m You mis understand. first and formost I am a miner. I also lived in WH null and low. This guy can WD any corp entering his "territory", with impunity and immunity. Also he WD us with his merc corp, but does not log on his merc corp. I know he is the source of the WD, I just want to exact some retribution with the same balance as he does himself. Do what he did - hire a merc corp to war dec the merc corp he hired... deepest pockets wins. Barring that - get an alt into his NPC corp and bump him every chance you get. Be sure to pass on "War Dec me, please" on every pass. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2451	Posted - 2014.06.11 07:12:00 - [39] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game. Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi. Unfortunately, I do not think you are joking. Why on earth would you want folk to quit the game? This is not a signature.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1543	Posted - 2014.06.11 10:49:00 - [40] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5188	Posted - 2014.06.11 10:57:00 - [41] - Quote Wardec evasion is apparently a problem CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem How do both of these problems exist at the same time? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6949	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:36:00 - [42] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Wardec evasion is apparently a problem CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem How do both of these problems exist at the same time? Because the two sides are so diametrically opposed that a compromise is not possible. Some people want to shoot at other people. Some people want no one, ever, to shoot at other people. Clearly, they cannot both get what they want. CCP has been caught in the middle of these two philosophies for some time now. An "everybody wins!" solution is, to be quite frank, impossible. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5193	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:38:00 - [43] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Wardec evasion is apparently a problem CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem How do both of these problems exist at the same time? Because the two sides are so diametrically opposed that a compromise is not possible. Some people want to shoot at other people. Some people want no one, ever, to shoot at other people. Clearly, they cannot both get what they want. CCP has been caught in the middle of these two philosophies for some time now. An "everybody wins!" solution is, to be quite frank, impossible. Then punish everyone equally and excessively Its the fairest and most final solution "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6949	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:43:00 - [44] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: final solution Lol. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 550	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:44:00 - [45] - Quote OP, if you want to do nasty things to people on a regular bases, get out of highsec. If you're more of a peaceful guy that just occasionally loses his temper, stay where you are and buy some butt ointment.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2192	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:48:00 - [46] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: OP, if you want to do nasty things to people on a regular basis, get out of highsec. If you're more of a peaceful guy that just occasionally loses his temper, stay where you are and buy some butt ointment. I doubt he actually wants to put himself into danger. His targets are miners! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 - Cowards deserve punishment -
Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague The Bastion 121	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:51:00 - [47] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine. Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships. The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest. You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on. Mining isn't taxed by the set corporation tax. You wish to avoid getting wardecced. What if you just drop to an NPC corp?
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs 1305	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:38:00 - [48] - Quote OP, just drop to an NPC corp. "But then I have to pay 11% tax" I hear you think. True, but it still makes you 89% more ISK then you do now while this guy has an entire merc corp to feed, a merc corp that won't actually be able to do much if you drop to NPC. He will have paid the war fee for nothing, and pays for characters that can't engage anything. Thats a lot more ISK in upkeep then you lose by dropping to NPC corp. If you had an actual corp, a dec like this wouldn't hurt that much... is yours a tax haven? The whole wardec / NPC corp thing is stupid in my eyes. The person you describe sounds like a cowardly hisec octopus, the perfect specimen to be engaging in activities such as these. Take some pride in being a lowsec / wspace survivalist, this guy wouldn't last a week outside of high security space.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1526	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:46:00 - [49] - Quote Supplemented ISD Ezwal's cleanup since he missed a post. Carry on. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1219	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:00:00 - [50] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse? Set the price accordingly, make it impossible to wardec new characters for a given period of time. I can see the potential for griefing and abuse using the current system, but i guess you don't have any problems with that. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5201	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:03:00 - [51] - Quote dexington wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse? Set the price accordingly, make it impossible to wardec new characters for a given period of time. I can see the potential for griefing and abuse using the current system, but i guess you don't have any problems with that. You mean the problems he mentioned and how they are a problem? No obviously not. And since when has price EVER been a deterrent? You want to replace or add to the current system by legalising harassment to individuals, if I apply the same logic to your point of view as you just applied to his "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1521	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:28:00 - [52] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: malcovas Henderson wrote: So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine? Explain to me how the alts in the Merc corp are safe please. And you will then understand the flaw in your argument. Quite simple. they never log on, unless you are mining . they are also based In same system as NPC corp player. Means your mining is disrupted, and his isn't. not really: 1) if you use alts on the same account then you cannot mine when your merc alt is active -> your and your enemy activity is disrupted 2) if you use dedicated account for your merc alt -> then you pay for it. Then your alt can be named 'other player' and there is nothing wrong here. All in all: i see no problem here The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2451	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:34:00 - [53] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game. Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi. Why would you want folk to quit the game? This is not a signature.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5202	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:38:00 - [54] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game. Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi. Why would you want folk to quit the game? He didnt say he'd want to But fate often forces us to do things we dont want to do For truth, justice and the Amarrican whey "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Tetsuo Tsukaya Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER 394	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:41:00 - [55] - Quote ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1219	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:52:00 - [56] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad? Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 949	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:53:00 - [57] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad To be fair, he didn't say he wants to shoot people with impunity - he wants to shoot A specific person, so simply leaving high sec couldn't possibly satisfy his desire unless the the specific person he wants to shoot also leaves high sec. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
malcovas Henderson Caldari Provisions Caldari State 172	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:13:00 - [58] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system. You also not very good at checking out pilot history. vOv
malcovas Henderson Caldari Provisions Caldari State 172	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:14:00 - [59] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system. You also not very good at checking out pilot history. vOv
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5204	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:18:00 - [60] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so. Stop being a bad You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system. You also not very good at checking out pilot history. vOv You aren't very good at thinking around a problem are you? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal

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