If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.

It could be players in an NPC corp only, getting the "individual" WD. Would stop players hiding behind the NPC immunity.

You could always make an NPC alt and get some buddies to go suicide gank his charon. Just a thought.

Just get a BS and bump his freighter to the next belt over. Get some friends and spread out the whole mining operation. No need to wardec. He was a ass to you without one, why do you need a wardec all of a sudden to be an ass back? Creativity exhausted at ctrl-click, F1?

Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

Well, cupcake, this is YOUR lucky day. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

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One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate

Why don't you just grow some ******* balls and suicide gank him?

Why don't you just grow some ******* balls and suicide gank him?

Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has

Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has

Because you made the conscious choice to join a player corp. Then you decided it would be fun to wander through a belt bumping miners. Those were your actions; these are your consequences.

I am happy with the consequences as a rule. I just find it a little bit nonsensical that a player can and will force a WD with impunity and immunity. I just think that an individual WD for NPC players would be a win win situation. Stops players hiding behind them.

OFC it would have it's limitations. No player under a certain age can be WD. Cost could be high. No renewal. 1 per week. only individuals can issue it, not corps.

immunity.

Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

Well, cupcake, this is YOUR lucky day. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

m

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then stay out of the discussion. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then stay out of the discussion. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.

Fix it in what way, pray tell? Reinforce it so any corp may pay and extra ttax to be immune to wardecs?

Remove it so hisec is safer?

Remove NPC corp safeties so you can gank them right out of the academy as they run their New Player Experience?

I have heard all sorts of fixes and none of them seem to agree. So which is your flavour? Safer or more deadly?

I am the hisec CSM and I do listen , , , and answer.

So what is the goal, what are we trying for? Should PvE activities exist at all. Should we go whole hog PvP and just shut down Hisec completely? Is there a middle ground and are we on it right now?

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So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine?

Explain to me how the alts in the Merc corp are safe please. And you will then understand the flaw in your argument.

So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine.
Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships.

The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest.

You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.

You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we.

What you should not do is expect CCP to adjust game mechanics to compensate for your current inability or lack of desire to use third party tools that vastly outshine any crap that CCP could make in-game.

You mis understand. first and formost I am a miner. I also lived in WH null and low. This guy can WD any corp entering his "territory", with impunity and immunity. Also he WD us with his merc corp, but does not log on his merc corp. I know he is the source of the WD, I just want to exact some retribution with the same balance as he does himself.

If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.

Wardec evasion is apparently a problem

CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem

How do both of these problems exist at the same time?

Because the two sides are so diametrically opposed that a compromise is not possible.

Some people want to shoot at other people. Some people want no one, ever, to shoot at other people. Clearly, they cannot both get what they want. CCP has been caught in the middle of these two philosophies for some time now.

An "everybody wins!" solution is, to be quite frank, impossible.

final solution

OP, if you want to do nasty things to people on a regular basis, get out of highsec.

If you're more of a peaceful guy that just occasionally loses his temper, stay where you are and buy some butt ointment.

You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

Set the price accordingly, make it impossible to wardec new characters for a given period of time.

I can see the potential for griefing and abuse using the current system, but i guess you don't have any problems with that.

Quite simple. they never log on, unless you are mining . they are also based In same system as NPC corp player. Means your mining is disrupted, and his isn't.

If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.

Why would you want folk to quit the game?

ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad

ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad

ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad

ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad

You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.
You also not very good at checking out pilot history.
vOv

You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.

You also not very good at checking out pilot history.


vOv

You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.

You aren't very good at thinking around a problem are you?

What I have to leave corp? suicide gank with all the downsides of that action? wait for eternity baiting? run with tail between my legs? Yeah I see no downside to all that at all.

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.

Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has

He's not disrupting you; you are. Your reaction to this situation (drop everything and cry holy hell on the forums) is entirely your own.

What I have to leave corp? suicide gank with all the downsides of that action? wait for eternity baiting? run with tail between my legs? Yeah I see no downside to all that at all.

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.

Would you accept a young and inexperienced minmatar sibling of mine in your corp?

Now I'm quoting myself,
because having the last post on a page sucks.


That red around my eyes doesn't suit me at all. :/

Sing it with me..."YOU CANT ALWAAAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT....YOU CANT ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANNNT..ALL THE TIME"
This guy didnt war-dec you. He paid a merc corp to do it. If you dont like being WD then stop doing those things that get you WD or join an npc.

I'll just harass him for a while, bumping him into next week.

Just think of Goonswarm declaring war on every individual that enter Jita. No more suicide ganking needed, everyone's a target.

I understand apocalyptic fantasies can be exciting, but trust me, no one wants to actually live through one.

Then punish everyone equally and excessively

Its the fairest and most final solution

Now I'm quoting myself,
because having the last post on a page sucks.


That red around my eyes doesn't suit me at all. :/

I don't know what you did to your portrait, but please CTRL-Z.

If you want people to stop doing that, then just make the entire NPC corp wardeccable, with the consequence that you be locked out of their stations simultaneously.

Would you accept a young and inexperienced minmatar sibling of mine in your corp?

I say you bump the ever living **** out of him moar since his merc buddies are clearly doing nothing about it.

You can't cause much financial harm to him since you can't make him lose ships, but you can still do psychological harm :P

One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate

You need a wardec to kill someone?

I really wonder about who will read the above post first,
click the link to verify it's still free ...

... and then rush creating a character with said name.




Isn't it hilarious? ;)

I really wonder about who will read the above post first,
click the link to verify it's still free ...

... and then rush creating a character with said name.




Isn't it hilarious? ;)

You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.

You also not very good at checking out pilot history.


vOv

He can petition you for that

He can petition you for that

Well he can, but CCP has made it pretty clear that bumping is a game mechanic that can be used without consequence.

Nope.

This only works if he asks for money or whatever,
else it's considered as harassment.


10 Mill a year work already.

As long has he has a justifiable reason and doesn't stalk the guy was the last posted CCP logic on if it's harassment or not.
So 'get the heck out of my system and mine somewhere else' sounds a reasonable reason, provided if the other guy moves he doesn't follow. If you follow too much, no reason stops it being harassment.

Though a good suicide gank would be more effective.
I have some Catalysts if you are interested....

Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

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This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.

Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.

** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out)

I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.

but then where do players go when they drop corp?

Like i said, Faction Wars. Auto join Militia. Replace 'noob corps' with Militia when you drop corps too.

Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..

Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..

I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether.

I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.

Supplemented ISD Ezwal's cleanup since he missed a post. Carry on.

I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether.

OP has a grudge.

He wants to get even.

Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...

Pot blaiming the kettle

Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.

Not really

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/the-evolution-of-catalyst-pilot.html

Cheap, easy and fun

Vape a minor today

Er.. I mean miner

No minors allowed in the casino

You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.

Well I cant use blasters, so Ill take your word for it, though is tracking that important when shooting a stationary Retriever?

Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.

Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.

I do like the idea of limited time in an NPC Corp. I do also like the Idea of Individual WD. Yes I know it can come with potential problems, but nothing surely unfixable. This will stop anyone using NPC corps to dominate a system. EVE is about player run Corps. To have this unfair advantage over them goes beyond reasonable. Especially for the smaller corp. Also let's be honest here, it also promotes staying in a NPC to be free from WD's

For those that say I want Hi sec pvp against indies or indeed scared of combat. I am an EX WH dweller and null dweller. Coming bk after a period outside the game. I was also happy with the WD if he actually logged them on at appropriate times.

If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

Hello 1 man corps galore. Oops guess your idea is worthless..

No, because if they were all driven to one man corps then the single party wardec would become a reality. Just not against more social people.

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No, because if they were all driven to one man corps then the single party wardec would become a reality. Just not against more social people.

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