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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2014.06.11 00:05:00 -
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So the way things are currently going look pretty good. It feels like the majority of the reason for GalCal war is solved. Heth is out. Largest cities of Caldari Prime are in Caldari hands showing a trend towards peaceful Caldari ownership. Diplomacy is securing what force won. So where does the story go from here?
The FW can't end. Such a large mechanic like that can't reasonably be removed. So what explodes next? Something has to happen to keep the fires of war between the two burning. There aren't enough Diana Kim's to keep the war going on pure hatred.
IC I would love for the war to end. Hatred of that war is actually one of the things that pushed Polevhia to where she is now. But there has to be an earth shattering kaboom. Sooner or later. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1369
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Posted - 2014.06.11 00:14:00 -
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Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6310
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:07:00 -
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Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1220
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:44:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P
Nah. Everyone against Minmatar.
:colelie: Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1603
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Posted - 2014.06.11 19:10:00 -
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If the Fed and State have peace you can still have Amarr + Caldari mercs and military "advisors" vs. Minmatar + Gallente mercs and military "advisors". Can't you? |
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2014.06.11 20:10:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P
The idea of Minmatar allying with the Empire will be very, very difficult to reconcile with the existing fluff. |
Anslo
Scope Works
5425
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Posted - 2014.06.11 20:23:00 -
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The answer is simple.
We invade Mittanigrad.
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CCP Falcon
7474
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:00:00 -
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Just because the Ishukone Corporation is working on Caldari Prime, it doesn't mean they represent the opinion or actions of the State as a whole.
Peaceful handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration? ..Yes.
Ishukone adminstration =/= State Administration. Material Acquisition administration =/= Federal Administration.
That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.
Remember that Caldari Prime is still declared a de-militarized zone, with Mordu's Legion Command wedged in there to provide third party security.
The State and Federation themselves are still very much at odds.
You guys are too quick to assume that good words you might read in the press mean that things are peachy.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6310
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:13:00 -
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Don't worry, Falcon. Too many frogs in Black Rise for there to be peace. ;)
That said, I'd really still love a non-mission way to interact with/do good by various minor factions. :x Pretty please put a burr under someone's bum? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Anslo
Scope Works
5425
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:37:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.
Why you gotta hate on us like that?
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
815
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:55:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions. So much this. DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Coreli Corporation, Serpentis Loyalists DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Small gang PVP & drug production DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Ship Replacement program DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Multiple roaming fleets per day |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
326
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:57:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:The FW can't end
It'll be a cold day in hell when The Empress talks to Shakur as an equal publically.
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1055
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Posted - 2014.06.12 04:05:00 -
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Anslo wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it. Why you gotta hate on us like that?
THE scope, not scope works, is the fox news of eve. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
608
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Posted - 2014.06.12 18:47:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:The FW can't end It'll be a cold day in hell when The Empress talks to Shakur as an equal publically.
Tupac is alive?! |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
623
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Posted - 2014.06.12 19:58:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions.
Confirming. Would sign up for Nation Militia immediately.
CCP Falcon wrote:Just because the Ishukone Corporation is working on Caldari Prime, it doesn't mean they represent the opinion or actions of the State as a whole. Peaceful handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration? ..Yes. Ishukone adminstration =/= State Administration. Material Acquisition administration =/= Federal Administration. That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it. Remember that Caldari Prime is still declared a de-militarized zone, with Mordu's Legion Command wedged in there to provide third party security. The State and Federation themselves are still very much at odds. You guys are too quick to assume that good words you might read in the press mean that things are peachy.
For the record the following post is a ramble. I'm not really asking questions with the intent of CCP Falcon or anyone else answering them. Just sorta saying things rattling around in my head.
While several good and true points, it does set precedence. That it's possible for (part of) the Federation to hand over areas on Caldari Prime to (part of) the State without the world coming to an end. At the end of the Mordu contract on Caldari Prime will State governance be an accepted part of life? Will other areas of Caldari Prime follow suit and be handed over? To other megas or to Ishukone?
For that matter, Material Acquisition had those cities to hand over. Who has the other population centers? Industrial centers? Interplanetary transit points (launchpads and the like)? How loyal are those areas to the State and how much unrest are they causing? How loyal are those areas to the Federation and how much unrest will the trade cause in the future?
Maybe I (we?) are reading too much into this and the assumptions and projections I am making are things that if they would happen will happen many years in the future. But at what point will Ishukone's job be the job of fixing a broken world? At some point if they stick their Rokh into it far enough, war will become less of a profit machine and more of a hindrance to their goals(whatever they are) on Caldari Prime. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
148
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Posted - 2014.06.12 23:34:00 -
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Meanwhile, SuVee plots to make a quick buck by directly supplying the militia war effort, revealed to the consternation of Ishukone and the outrage of the Federation.
There are a thousand ways you can go about this. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1376
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Posted - 2014.06.13 01:28:00 -
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There are a thousand ways you can go about this, but.... right now the HUGE story element which has been driving the war has been deleted. And nothing has been put in it's place. And this sort of thing is the natural place people do step back and make peace at.
So not having all the 'secret back story plot' information right now makes the situation look extremely odd from a player perspective and sooner rather than later for the reasons for the war continuing full bore would be good. |
Avio Yaken
Scope Works
247
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Posted - 2014.06.13 23:48:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Anslo wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it. Why you gotta hate on us like that? THE scope, not scope works, is the fox news of eve.
You fookin wot m8 One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1925
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Posted - 2014.06.17 02:05:00 -
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Sweet Geebus... if I hear one single note of "Kumbaya" being sung around campfires on New Caldari... there will be pain.
Medieval pain.
The Gallente can not be trusted.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
347
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:28:00 -
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Purely speculation, however maybe things are about to get really bad, and we are in the opening stages of seeing Faction Warfare expanded? Perhaps to include the Pirate Factions?
What if Luminaire and the road to it was turned into an expanded war zone, all becoming low-sec space because neither The Federation, Ishukone, or Mordu's Legion could contain the violence? Public Channel:-á Polaris-Public Roleplaying Channel: -áGallente Lounge OOC Channel: -áWNWN2 |
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
137
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:40:00 -
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Part of me want's to see how it would go. I enjoy the times when we ally with our counterparts in GalMil and go kick pirate ass. It'd be fun flying with Aurthur Hellsi- er, nah, that guy is an *******. There's also Crosi Wesd-no, no, he's a ****. Well, how about Deen Wis- nope. There is always Perung- pfffff.
X Gallentius! X Gallentius seems like an alright guy! I heard an interview of him once. It'd be cool flying in a fleet FCed by him. Well, with my main anyways, instead of the usual spy alts.
Joking aside, I do want to see something done with the FW game. Maybe not something drastic, but its getting rather stale now. I've been in it since I joined a year ago, and it's pretty much all that I'm honestly interested in in Eve. Nullsec is boring as hell, and highsec wars seem frivolous and meaningless.
Bringing in the pirate factions sounds interesting, except that I'm worried my CEO would have the corp hop over to the Guristas side. Him having the title of "Guristas Sympathizer" and all. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
203
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:40:15 -
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Part of me want's to see how it would go. I enjoy the times when we ally with our counterparts in GalMil and go kick pirate ass. It'd be fun flying with Aurthur Hellsi- er, nah, that guy is an *******. There's also Crosi Wesd-no, no, he's a ****. Well, how about Deen Wis- nope. There is always Perung- pfffff.
X Gallentius! X Gallentius seems like an alright guy! I heard an interview of him once. It'd be cool flying in a fleet FCed by him. Well, with my main anyways, instead of the usual spy alts.
Joking aside, I do want to see something done with the FW game. Maybe not something drastic, but its getting rather stale now. I've been in it since I joined a year ago, and it's pretty much all that I'm honestly interested in in Eve. Nullsec is boring as hell, and highsec wars seem frivolous and meaningless.
Bringing in the pirate factions sounds interesting, except that I'm worried my CEO would have the corp hop over to the Guristas side. Him having the title of "Guristas Sympathizer" and all. |
Ollie Rundle
183
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:47:00 -
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It's a relatively common mistake to presume that the Federation, its politicians and its corporate interests/lobby groups are stereotypically listless, lazy and naive ideologues compared with their counterparts in the State.
There's really not much evidence for this - the truth of just how ruthless they need to be to survive the viper pit of the Federation's realpolitik is exposed in multiple chronicles, by the presence of the Black Eagles and in the rise and rise of Jacus Roden, his connections with the underworld via Serpentis corp and the parallel increase in power of the Federal military-industrial machine which is heavily invested in seeing that the faction wars continue to drive the need for research and manufacturing of new tech to ensure the militias are capable of killing each other in the most efficient manner possible.
In this context, Material Acquisition and the Federal administration are unlikely to have simply given away the strategic and diplomatic bargaining chips they had with their possession of Caldari Prime (or at least several major cities of importance to the State). One of the interesting questions that could be a source for ongoing Gal-Cal conflict is just what price MA and Roden demanded of Mens Reppola before and after sitting down at the negotiating table and what the latter ended up paying or continues to pay as a result. -á |
Ollie Rundle
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:47:47 -
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It's a relatively common mistake to presume that the Federation, its politicians and its corporate interests/lobby groups are stereotypically listless, lazy and naive ideologues compared with their counterparts in the State.
There's really not much evidence for this - the truth of just how ruthless they need to be to survive the viper pit of the Federation's realpolitik is exposed in multiple chronicles, by the presence of the Black Eagles and in the rise and rise of Jacus Roden, his connections with the underworld via Serpentis corp and the parallel increase in power of the Federal military-industrial machine which is heavily invested in seeing that the faction wars continue to drive the need for research and manufacturing of new tech to ensure the militias are capable of killing each other in the most efficient manner possible.
In this context, Material Acquisition and the Federal administration are unlikely to have simply given away the strategic and diplomatic bargaining chips they had with their possession of Caldari Prime (or at least several major cities of importance to the State). One of the interesting questions that could be a source for ongoing Gal-Cal conflict is just what price MA and Roden demanded of Mens Reppola before and after sitting down at the negotiating table and what the latter ended up paying or continues to pay as a result. |
Charles Muffins
Radon Industrial
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:10:00 -
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Just wait till the Jovians come back and stop out every Gallentean. I'll be ROFL. |
Charles Muffins
Relay Services
7
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:10:35 -
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Just wait till the Jovians come back and stop out every Gallentean. I'll be ROFL. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
135
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Posted - 2014.10.15 10:55:00 -
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there can be no peace till every Galentean is purged from the Luminaire system |
Lugh Crow-Slave
195
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Posted - 2014.10.15 10:55:30 -
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there can be no peace till every Galentean is purged from the Luminaire system |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
800
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Posted - 2014.11.08 06:58:07 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions. THIS
I would LOVE for players to be able to officially fight on behalf of the Pirate factions.
CCP Falcon wrote:The State and Federation themselves are still very much at odds. You guys are too quick to assume that good words you might read in the press mean that things are peachy. True, but you can't deny tensions have come down some. The situation with Caldari Prime still isn't great, but it's a lot better now than it was. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4829
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Posted - 2014.11.10 05:59:02 -
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No. There's no reason FW can't end. It should end. It's a terrible mechanic that hasn't been maintained for years, has been the subject of numerous bad storylines that were basically mandated by the outcome of FW which, as we all know, was the subject of vast amounts of exploiting and abuse of mechanics due to the aforementioned lack of maintenance. It also ties Gallente-Caldari roleplay down to a war that's well past its sell-by date. Even in-character the war is a joke, considered nothing more than a proxy distraction by anyone who isn't totally brainwashed.
If Gallente-Caldari relations are improving there's absolutely no reason why FW shouldn't be shut down.
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