Why are so many empty containers?

Last month I spent 2 weeks out in nulsec running exploration content. I did this very casually, appx 12 hours total work. I made 3B isk in loot. Then took the nearest connecting wormhole back to empire.

If you are so bad at exploration that you can't make enough isk to satisfy yourself, you really should just leave it to your betters.

Have you done exploration since the latest patch? From my experience and what I've heard the profit and amount of sites has been nerfed quite a bit.

And /thread.


OP, please take a moment to realize that the value of any in-game item - including data site loot - is determined by this very cool feature called 'The Market'.

If the average data site loot market value is indeed as crappy as you say, it means that either there are far too many people that are running the sites or that very few people give a damn about the stuff you find.

Remember, it's other players that give you ISK for your exploration efforts, not CCP (NPCs).

Why should players pay you more if they don't need the stuff you find?

Well you have experienced and heard wrong.

The speed you can do sites now well outstrips the table modification and theres no change to the proliferation. If anything its because more people are now doing them faster.

Haha, my experience is correct, my conclusion just may be wrong.

You're one of few to say as such, I could agree with the amount of explorers after the patch hindering the isk/hour but the amount of empty containers or containers with just carbon and other low value loot is disheartening. We'll just have to see how things play out.

a lot of the fiscal viability of the profession is going to be tied-up with whatever happens to decryptors in Crius.

I like what you've done with your hair

blow out and bob.

There is a lot that can be done to improve the exploration profession. I think they should have a way to escalate like their combat site counter parts. Intercept some communication data, gives you a journal update and you're off on a quest. Naturally escalations should be harder. More difficult hacking, perhaps some defenses. The escalation could even be for a combat site to mix professions up.

Overall I think the pay out on these sites needs to be increased. There are risks involved, and a lot of time. I never feel quite as vulnerable than when i have that mini game up.

But I think escalations would be a great way to up the difficulty so "just anyone in a ship with a probe launcher" can't do them and give the people who specialized a little reward for their investment.

On a whole other lever there are some interesting pvp applications that could be explored. I'm just spit balling here but some creative ideas that come to mind are Maybe hack a stargate and delay jumps for a minute. To prevent reinforcements, or escape. Maybe hack the gate guns to work in your sides favor. Hack POS defenses, or access the fuel and stront cargo area so you can see how long it will reinforce for etc. Maybe hack a ship in pvp to disable a module. Can you imagine exploring getting jumped and quickly having to hack the ships warp disruptor to shut it down and escape. That would be the most intense mini game ever lol. I would also love to hack a wreck and see the kill mail from the ships black box lol.

Last month I spent 2 weeks out in nulsec running exploration content. I did this very casually, appx 12 hours total work. I made 3B isk in loot. Then took the nearest connecting wormhole back to empire.

If you are so bad at exploration that you can't make enough isk to satisfy yourself, you really should just leave it to your betters.

And /thread.




I think you're forgetting the point the OP is trying to make, data site loots are crap and should be on par with relic sites. And that the loot from relic sites isn't even as good anymore since the last patch.

I know you want to sound all smart and teach about the Market and the economy, but really you just sound condescending (a ****).

I think you're forgetting the point the OP is trying to make, data site loots are crap and should be on par with relic sites. And that the loot from relic sites isn't even as good anymore since the last patch.

I know you want to sound all smart and teach about the Market and the economy, but really you just sound condescending (a ****).

Hey guys, before the loot spew, I used to make over 500m/site. After loot spew, I made about...300-400 per site. Now that loot spew is gone, I make about 500m/site. What am I doing wrong?

I've found empty, unhacked containers in fresh sites. They do exist. But I am still not that concerned about the current state of exploration. Personally, I think it would be best if they reduced the spawn rate of sites and eliminated cargo scanning cans (and/or forced despawn of empty grid sites after a hacking attempt has been made). But a lot of the fiscal viability of the profession is going to be tied-up with whatever happens to decryptors in Crius.

I see your point...but I must admit I lkie the fact that exploration is a good all round solo enterprise. Personally, I prefer working alone.
All I ask is that data loot be reexamined and for the sites to be vastly more diverse. And for it to tie in with lore. Hmm, maybe I am asking alot....

But...isk to get a ship to get isk to get a ship to get isk...etc etc etc....should be more than this.

I've just run a site - total value 1.5mill!!!!!!! 1.5mill when you risk pirates, plus the time it takes to find/run the sites.

A few months and one site, and you're an expert. Oh please, Lord and Master of all Hacking Knowledge, how can I be more like you?

Remiel, post 4 adds some additional relevant information.

Over the last few months I've run hundreds of sites. the one I quoted was my most recent - I usually leave data sites now (for said reasons) but not having much time I gave it a go. 1.5mill. A joke.
on average i would say data sites bring in about 5-15mill - filling half your cargo hold.
Relic sites 30-50mill, some at 100 mill (rare I acknowledge).

With relics you can hold over a billion worth of loot - more than worth the risk.
Data - about 250mill - they just aren't worth doing.

Like many explorers before me - as discussed on forums/in person - I've decided to ignore them and remove my data module.

Either that or I will become a saboteur and purposely destroy all data sites until they are improved.

Lol OMG hardcore lies and a "promise" of vandalism

Nice

Please improve data site loot/the hacking profession, or dispense with it altogther. In its current state null hacking is a complete waste of time.

When I first subscribed a few months ago hacking was my chosen profession. It isn't what I thought it would be.

I've just run a site - total value 1.5mill!!!!!!! 1.5mill when you risk pirates, plus the time it takes to find/run the sites.

then there's the weight of the loot - a covops doesn't have a big enough cargo to carry the stuff data cans drop. What are you supposed to do? Hack and fill cargo and then transport your 2million isk worth of goods through gate camps and bubbles to jita to sell? A joke.

Surely data sites should be worth 50mill +, then it would make them worthwhile.

Firstly exploration has been around for many many years (longer than me in fact) and it was a nice niche in eve that took thought and dedication and provided excellent rewards to those who invested in the skills as i did. The goods provided were always in demand and the items that relied on them for production still got produced in enough quantities to provide a vibrant market.

In CCP-¦s efforts to gain more people (well Money to **** away on their coke addled distractions) they decided to make Exploration nothing more than mission running without an agent in many respects. They dumbed it down to the point of idiot proof and then they made it into a click fest tablet game with a click fest reward retrieval system that was just a manifestation of their lack of vision and jumping on the latest fad in the pointless time wasting game genre to compensate.

The result of all this is a vast over supply of goods gained at no real risk, they made it easy and this is what happens, like nano-¦s and countless other lack of foresight game design-wise screw ups it requires a huge nerf.

Getting rid of spew containers probably had more to do with server load than any game play reason, all those spew containers take cpu cycles, but its a start, the click fest mini game should also go (its great for the cat on the tablet, but in eve, get serious), the rats should return so u gotta go mob handed or be skilled enough to deal with it; containers should be made scanner proof so its pure chance just like wreck loot so that cherry picking that leaves sites up until a good Samaritan hacks them for the general good ends.

I-¦m sorry that you think you can play eve without thought and effort, that easy mode should be the norm and that Jita is the only place to trade, but reward should reflect effort and risk and you seem to want to avoid both.

may i humbly suggest that you take up another occupation for your mouse hand that would give you far more pleasure instead of changing your behavior to suit the changing circumstances you find yourself under.

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