How many data sites did you do? What's the average of that amount? Is it a even representative amount? Have you ever considered you may be suffering from entitlement issues? Questions, questions.

Over the last few months I've run hundreds of sites. the one I quoted was my most recent - I usually leave data sites now (for said reasons) but not having much time I gave it a go. 1.5mill. A joke.
on average i would say data sites bring in about 5-15mill - filling half your cargo hold.
Relic sites 30-50mill, some at 100 mill (rare I acknowledge).

With relics you can hold over a billion worth of loot - more than worth the risk.
Data - about 250mill - they just aren't worth doing.

Like many explorers before me - as discussed on forums/in person - I've decided to ignore them and remove my data module.

Either that or I will become a saboteur and purposely destroy all data sites until they are improved.

or dispense with it altogther.

When I first subscribed a few months ago hacking was my chosen profession.

Cool

More for the rest of them

rigs ..

Data sites were always crap, worth skipping altogether, or scanning for bpos then moving on. They go into the category of pointless crap exploration clutter with bases, fortresses, radiance, hierarchy........

Ah, yes, the completely worthless plexes like radiance and hierarchy. It would be nice if CCP actually added a good loot table to the overseer rats there so they drop deadspace drone modules on a fairly regular base. And not after some escalation which leads to nothing all to often. Or just remove them all together from non drone space.

I also agree that exploration has been made too easy. I used to do a lot of that in the early days, but since they dumbed it down everybody and their horse is doing it, and its hard to find decent sites. It was better when you actually had to think about it. I also think they should reintroduce rats into data and relic sites again. I also think they shoudl remove the autoscan feature, and return it to how it was, so you had to actively scan for anomalies with your ship scanner, and need to throw out your scanprobes to actually find out if ther is a sig in system at all.

Exploration isn't the only option available to you. Try ratting or plexing. If this isn't do-able with you skill points, return to empire and eek out a living with the other newbies.

When Odyssee hit the prices of typical data loot dropped significantly, because they saturated the market. So you are still seeing the market effect of a huge amount of data loot being injected into the economy, making the stuff very cheap. Check back in a while, as more and more items are consumed their price might actually rise due to lesser availability.

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OP, please take a moment to realize that the value of any in-game item - including data site loot - is determined by this very cool feature called 'The Market'.

If the average data site loot market value is indeed as crappy as you say, it means that either there are far too many people that are running the sites or that very few people give a damn about the stuff you find.

Remember, it's other players that give you ISK for your exploration efforts, not CCP (NPCs).

Why should players pay you more if they don't need the stuff you find?

You should come and join me...I know where there are loads of data sites spawning. right now there are 4 in my main's system. none of us are going to do them because, as said, they are worthless.

Might just go and blow them up.

Hacking went to hell when they removed the rats from the sites, when it took more than any old ship with a probe launcher on it to get the stuff out of sites.

CCP tried to use loot spew to get people to work together to do exploration. The rats in the sites did more for teamwork than loot spew. Used to do exploration with friends when there were rats in the sites, especially out in 0.0. Now you don't need any teamwork whatsoever to explore, making it much easier for anyone to do it. That's what has driven the prices down so much, why there are so few worthwhile sites left for everyone.

They should also make exploration site containers non-scannable so people cannot take only the good stuff, and leave the junk for everyone else. Also find that annoying, take the time to find a site, get there, and see someone has already looted the good stuff.

Tried one site after they dumbed it down....still waiting for all my wasted MONTHS of skill training to be reimbursed.

Many long time player did only exploration and mining of lucrative mining sigs. All I knew that did it in high sec have unsubbed.

With relics you can hold over a billion worth of loot - more than worth the risk.
Data - about 250mill - they just aren't worth doing.

Either that or I will become a saboteur and purposely destroy all data sites until they are improved.

Good

If you cant work out how to play so badly that you have to quit, why stop at games?

Try doing that with everything

My friends who unsubbed ENJOYED the old way and thought the new way was lame and noobified and unsubbed.