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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:05:00 -
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Here's a screenie from Sisi showing the new changes:
Updated Vengeance
Changes:
+1 Low slot
+5% damage per AF level in place of optimal
Armor goes from 625 to 725
Shield goes from 688 to 590
Power grid goes from 47 to 48 
 Originally by: Patch Notes
The Vengeance laser optimal range bonus has been changed to a laser damage bonus. Also, its armor and power output have increased, while sheilds have been decreased. A new low power slot rounds out the changes.
A grid increase of ONE? FFS, make it at least five, or seriously reconsider what it takes to fit Medium Beam/Pulse Laser IIs. Nice changes otherwise, I think.
I was really hoping for more grid on this ship with the update. <sarcasm>Will CCP give a SVE style refund to anyone who bought one planing on more grid?</sarcasm>
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Carebear > Why'd you do that? I just got that ship!
Pirate > I just got that ammo, do you hear me whining? |
Khadur
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:08:00 -
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Hmm i dunno, i think it still sucks.
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Hitomi Ayame
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:19:00 -
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Well, it hasn't gotten any worse...
At least it got its last slot, and a damage bonus.
But one MW increase? As in, the least a mount you could possibly increase it? That's just...weak.
Hopefully it'll get some extra grid sometime soon, and maybe a slight boost to the capacitor as well. If cap is supposed to be one of the ship's strong points (as indicated by it's bonus to cap recharge) then why is its base capacitor worse than the Retribution's?
The changes were a step in the right direction, for sure, but this little ship still has a ways to go before it's near on par with other AFs.
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Hakuin
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Hakuin on 14/06/2006 06:35:16
Little better for PvE
Still sucks for PvP
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Hakuin
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:12:00 -
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3x Dual Light Pulse II
1x Arbalest Rocket
1x Cadalyzed Cold-Gas MWD
1x Scrambler
1x Web
1x Small Armor Rep II
1x Energized Thermic Membrane II
1x Heat Sink II
1x 200mm Tungsten Plate
 and 0.0 pg left...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hakuin
3x Dual Light Pulse II
1x Arbalest Rocket
1x Cadalyzed Cold-Gas MWD
1x Scrambler
1x Web
1x Small Armor Rep II
1x Energized Thermic Membrane II
1x Heat Sink II
1x 200mm Tungsten Plate
and 0.0 pg left...
That's not bad at all, if it fits cpu wise..
Whine whine whine, sigs |
Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:18:00 -
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The extra low slot is nice but it still does no damage.
It's probly gonna stay crap untill khanid get loving.
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Hakuin
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
That's not bad at all, if it fits cpu wise..
20+ cpu left so it fits...1400 armor with the plate, not bad. DPS sucks. Its better ok, but its so limited 
Any idea for fitting this khanid**** better?
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:33:00 -
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'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
Medium Pulse Laser II
Medium Pulse Laser II
Medium Pulse Laser II
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Small Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Thermic Plating II
Needs AWU 4, 0.2 PG/12.5 CPU left.
906 armor, E/T/K/Ex=68/64/71/84
No MWD, but you don't always need one.
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Carebear > Why'd you do that? I just got that ship!
Pirate > I just got that ammo, do you hear me whining? |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:55:00 -
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tbh I would drop the heat sink for a IFFA,even with AF 5 and max skills plus a hs ur not doin much damage try wearing ur enemies out tho and the iffa will help alot. Internal Force Feild Array I is what I am talking about btw.
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:08:00 -
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jesus
apart from dps, did u check its resistances? and they even give it more armor..
check enyo for instance: armor almost the same, but check its explosive resistance..
u can tank armor pretty well on this ship..
and it has shield, alot of shield, with its resists..come one..
but it is funny: 1MW more like someone is making fun of Vengeance pilots:D
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:02:00 -
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I went to sisi to give it a try and it's still a joke.
CPU is that low that this additional low slot has to take a cap relay. And it's still not doing good damage compared to all other AFs. So it's not a good tank, not a good gank and not a good tackler either (to slow). What is it for?
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:37:00 -
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Comic relief?
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Seidr
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:18:00 -
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I hear the Carebears are looking for a new floor worker in their factory, this new Vengeance will do nicely. Don't get me wrong, I appreciated the changes but really, compared to the other changes this is a really poor move.
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:30:00 -
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amarr get screwed over again....
but hey ..... this ship just like the retri .... does wonders in a 100 man blob. The hawk changes are soooo much better than this, so sad -_-
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:59:00 -
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TBh lots of people knock the vengance but i quite like it its got a nice role if you know how and when to use it, these new changes willhelp the ship as it was needing them before but it seams more and more people on the forums dont realise that all ships need to be equal as if they where the game would be no fun to play.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Atom HeartMother
..if you know how and when to use it..
This has become a standard phrase that people use to argue for something. If you're so convinced, then please share your ideas a least. If you don't want to divulge your setup, don't post this as it's nothing more than saying 'haha, I know something you don't but I won't tell you'. 
It doesn't help the discussion and doesn't prove its usefulness either.
Forsch
Defender of the empire
More love for side factions! |
Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:14:00 -
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Would be more Khanid esque if it had another mid slot :P
IMO why don't they just make the ship the amarrian hawk... Give it 4 launcher hardpoints or at least 3, give it a 5% Launcher ROF and Damage bonus, and let it armor tank. An armor tanking missile spewer, pwnage at its best. Forget laser bonuses.
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Night Hawk
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:30:00 -
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Just change all Khanid ships to armor tanking missile boats and have done with it. Different, no split weapon bonuses, nice amarr-caldari bridge.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2006.06.14 19:47:00 -
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Im happy for the minmitar and caldari pilots. The minmitar got love to both of their AS. The caldari finally got the hawk they wanted.
We Amarr got...well the shaft. This version of the vengence is not any worse than it was before I guess. It might be a little better. We will just have to see how it goes.
The Retribution got ignored for some reason though. If there was an amarr AS with wasted potental, its the Retibution. Why is it so hard for them to drop the utility high slot and and move it to a mid?
No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already. |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.14 19:57:00 -
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Don't suppose anyone saw the Jag changes before the pulled the 14 patch?
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Don't suppose anyone saw the Jag changes before the pulled the 14 patch?
Now stop making my Amarr whine into a Minnie whine, k?
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Carebear > Why'd you do that? I just got that ship!
Pirate > I just got that ammo, do you hear me whining? |
Lock out
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Don't suppose anyone saw the Jag changes before the pulled the 14 patch?
Pulled the 14 patch? Eh?
The ship changes are on SiSi right now, even though it still says version 3913. |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lock out
Originally by: Sarmaul
Don't suppose anyone saw the Jag changes before the pulled the 14 patch?
Pulled the 14 patch? Eh?
The ship changes are on SiSi right now, even though it still says version 3913.
grr I give up with CCP's patch naming system :/
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Jita Scouter
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Posted - 2006.06.15 04:50:00 -
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Well maybe this?
Highs:
2x Med pulse II's
1x Dual light pulse II
1x Small Knave Nos
Mids:
1x 1MN AB II
1x Named Web
1x Named 7.5km Scrabbler
Lows:
1x SAR II
1x Active Thermal Harderner
1x Heatsink II
1x CPR
Idea came from the standard Retribution 'Med Pulse PvE' setup that i've adapted for PvP in the new Vengeance. Damage isnt as amazing as the Retribution, but its a hell of a lot better than the old vengeance. The cap is more than stable and looks like you can do some solo'ing in it.
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Exiled One
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Posted - 2006.06.15 05:40:00 -
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It's still bolox, the dmg is low, tank won't improve. The ship is a piece of **** People used to pvp in vengeances keeping their targets at range (somehow, a ******* jag can do +700m/s) with dual lights beams, but now it's just up and close and vengeance gets eated alive, not enough dps and bloody adaptives t2.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2006.06.15 07:25:00 -
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Isn't it obvious? +1 Low slot, +1 MW powergrid... they want you to add another Resistance Plating mod. Though I suppose if you had the extra CPU you could also use it for a Heat Sink.
-Electrofreak
Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
Svett
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Posted - 2006.06.15 07:30:00 -
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It could use slightly more pg increase, but I do like the changes. I have a few vengance sitting in the hanger, been there for months :(
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.06.15 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Atom HeartMother
..if you know how and when to use it..
This has become a standard phrase that people use to argue for something. If you're so convinced, then please share your ideas a least. If you don't want to divulge your setup, don't post this as it's nothing more than saying 'haha, I know something you don't but I won't tell you'.
It doesn't help the discussion and doesn't prove its usefulness either.
its not as much about seting it up more knowing its place on the battlefeild mate
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.06.15 11:00:00 -
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1 pg ... man come on
How about at least 2-3 ?
If not, then please explain why.
/Mav
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