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el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Simpler solution. Disallow joining/leaving a corp unless docked/offline. From the time the button is pressed, the result of the button will come into effect next time one of those conditions are true (to ensure an unwanted player can be kicked).
that might solve this exploit, but as 0Lona 0ltor pointed out, adding timers to leave/join corp, especially when at war, adds consequence and might also help war decs. not sure if 7days were too harsh, but 3 days for sure sounds great.
more little ideas that need your support:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507
enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :)
www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
32
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:58:00 -
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el alasar wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Simpler solution. Disallow joining/leaving a corp unless docked/offline. From the time the button is pressed, the result of the button will come into effect next time one of those conditions are true (to ensure an unwanted player can be kicked). that might solve this exploit, but as 0Lona 0ltor pointed out, adding timers to leave/join corp, especially when at war, adds consequence and might also help war decs. not sure if 7days were too harsh, but 3 days for sure sounds great.
What timer? If you're leaving a corp, simply dock/undock or if unable to, logoff-login. I suppose the 30second session change and the howeverlong it takes to log in are timers, but really? |
SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.26 02:17:00 -
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I wouldn't want to restrict people from being able to join/leave corps at their own choosing. Actually living in Wormhole space for a bit makes me want the ability to apply to a corp/alliance in space without the needing for docking.
All I'd want is an extended session timer that would keep a candidate outside of the war dec for a short amount of time, say 12 hours on both ends...
So they can't use it to ambush someone unexpectedly and they can't use it to bail from a corp to avoid war targets as easily...
So Party A joins War decced corp Alpha but cannot engage in the war for a whole 12 hours.
At the same time Party B is in the targeted corp and decides he wants to save his own skin with no consideration for his friends. So he bails. But is still flagged to Party A for an additional 12 hours of pew.
This timer would not be absorbed by the 24 hours to drop roles either. So would actually mean people from a War decced corp would be vulnerable for 36 hours minimum if they tried to jump ship. Which is more than enough time for the war dec to go live. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
172
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Posted - 2011.11.26 16:33:00 -
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System is fine, remove changing of corp while in space. No cooldown on corp changing when things like sov can change in hours, that just makes the game more stagnant. If you disagree with corp hopping to evade wars join locates are us and train up a brutix alt kthx. |
Swassy Man
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.26 21:39:00 -
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If you change your standings in regards to someone, it doesn't appear as changed (IE, if they went from neutral to blue they still appear neutral) until the next time you log in. This also works when the game does it for you, as when someone joins a hostile corp: your standings change, but it doesn't appear until the next time you log in. He didn't cheat and he didn't break any rules; blame mechanics and your inability to mine aligned. |
CanonMP180
6
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Posted - 2011.11.26 22:19:00 -
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Whatever the solution, it certainly seems more reasonable to put any restrictions on the corp that declares war... although this doesn't solve the whole dec-shield thing, so clearly some sort of restrictions needs to be placed on the corp that have had war declared on them as well.... One day CCP are going to have to address this, I'm sure glad it's not my job to solve it! 
Show your support!-á
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Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2011.11.26 22:22:00 -
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Swassy Man wrote:If you change your standings in regards to someone, it doesn't appear as changed (IE, if they went from neutral to blue they still appear neutral) until the next time you log in. This also works when the game does it for you, as when someone joins a hostile corp: your standings change, but it doesn't appear until the next time you log in. He didn't cheat and he didn't break any rules; blame mechanics and your inability to mine aligned.
well, if this is true you should write additionally to the petition a bug report for broken game mechanics ;)
standings should be ether broadcasted immediately to all involved parties or only change delayed at DT if its not possible for the client to stay up2date.
speaking of friends or foes in FW there is a unwritten rule to set the enemy in overview to blinking since sometimes the purple icon (friend) gets mixed with the orange icon (enemy) in local.
a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
mingetek
DustWaffe
DUST ALLIANCE
19
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Posted - 2011.11.27 01:58:00 -
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SiIver Twin wrote:scenario Further examination of the fiends history shows that he has performed this type of dirty trick in the past. Many times. Is this not an exploit? Worst part is the guy is a right heel and will constantly smack talk after a successful kill, yet he won't war dec with his main character. He does this to minimize his exposure and keep himself safe.
if ccp wants broken war decs they have to live with meta gaming.
if you can insta drop a corp to build a new one same name etc to avoid a war dec then imo its fine to use game mechanics to pop your targets.
be it insta joining a corp and tghen leaving or what ever!
end of the day ccp should fix war decs.
btw prolly is a exploit.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
359
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Posted - 2011.11.27 02:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Just petition it?
Given his corp history and combat log will give up the game, he's a dead cert for a warning or worse. CCP will do NOTHING. Been there....experienced that....................
Been there, got warned for it. CCP will indeed do something, just maybe not what you wanted. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:57:00 -
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They just should make it that the taking effect of joining a corp is after you dock in a station. |
Tron Flux
Warlock Assassins
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 05:01:00 -
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I don't see how this happened. You have all the relevant people on your watch list. Did this person suddenly disappear from your watch list? Or did you never get this person because they were "neutral"? It seems like a case of failed intel to me. When the corps I've been in have been decced, we spent the time to go through all possible know associates, scout where people had been, and who they were on killmails with. We were able to catch most of the things like this, and when neutral enemies came into system, we knew.
It's not an ideal method because that's a lot of work. But it's not imposible to figure things out if you do your diligence. That said, if it is, in fact, an exploit, I would petition the eff out of it after I found the person and blew them up nice and good.
This is not a HTFU post. This is a, "There are ways around these issues" kind of post. I'm just saying that you are not at the total mercy of people who engage in the tactics, exploit or not. Taking the time to et good intel about what's happening in a wardec is worth it.
Anyway, good luck with everything. Let us know if you get a response to the petition. And spend the time researching your opponents when you have a war dec active.
~Tron |
Otocinclus
FODT
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 05:53:00 -
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Since I"ve personally done this with Hooride many times, I will tell all of you that what we are doing is not an exploit. We've confirmed it with CCP beforehand and after the fact.
It's prety profitable, you guys should try it some time. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
303
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:07:00 -
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No, THIS is a HTFU post.
If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.
Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
53
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:12:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:No, THIS is a HTFU post.
If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.
Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats.
What do they do? Just join in station?
In that case, THIS is a HTFU post as well (also a learn to duck wardecs if you want to do something other than pew post).
Also, I am Spartacus |
Otocinclus
FODT
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:19:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:No, THIS is a HTFU post.
If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.
Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats. What do they do? Just join in station? In that case, THIS is a HTFU post as well (also a learn to duck wardecs if you want to do something other than pew post). Also, I am Spartacus
Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
53
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:27:00 -
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Otocinclus wrote:
Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that.
Either it's a commonly known and used game mechanic: possibilities include but are not limited to
Login Trap (doesn't quite look like that)
Corp Change in Station (doesn't quite look like that)
Suicide Gank (unlikely from his description)
Preying on the inattentive (OP could be less than honest)
Or it's an exploit
i.e. Changing corp in space in order to make a kill
Trying to be secretive just makes us suspect you're taking the exploit option. |
Otocinclus
FODT
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:28:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Otocinclus wrote:
Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that.
Either it's a commonly known and used game mechanic: possibilities include but are not limited to Login Trap (doesn't quite look like that) Corp Change in Station (doesn't quite look like that) Suicide Gank (unlikely from his description) Preying on the inattentive (OP could be less than honest) Or it's an exploit i.e. Changing corp in space in order to make a kill Trying to be secretive just makes us suspect you're taking the exploit option.
Trying to explain game mechanics you don't understand makes us suspect that you are a ******. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
53
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:37:00 -
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Otocinclus wrote:
Trying to explain game mechanics you don't understand makes us suspect that you are a ******.
Well screw my sister and call me a Hapsburg. I believe this gentlemen has just told me. Told me what, I have no idea, but he had a hoot and a half telling me. ***8** indeed.
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. I asked you to specify which legitimate method of swapping corps you used, and you declined. I then suggested you pick out of the (admittedly incomplete) hat of possibilities for legitimate and gentlemanly bending some unsuspecting WT over a barrel and ganking the hell out of them, to which you replied with simple vulgar abuse, which is fine if you do it well. |
Otocinclus
FODT
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:40:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.
Good.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
53
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:43:00 -
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Otocinclus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. Good.
By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment. |
Otocinclus
FODT
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:05:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Otocinclus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. Good. By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.
You've squeezed it out of me, we've all been using an exploit this whole time, petition us all and we will be banned immediately within a day or two. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
303
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Otocinclus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. Good. By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.
Great! So you're probably gonna get killed. Sounds good to me.
Otocinclus wrote:we will be banned immediately within a day or two.
This |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
56
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Posted - 2011.11.28 08:21:00 -
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Otocinclus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Otocinclus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. Good. By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment. You've squeezed it out of me, we've all been using an exploit this whole time, petition us all and we will be banned immediately within a day or two.
I don't have proper standing to do that. I don't see the ability to SUDDENLY be a WT next to me being a huge issue. But OP might be happy to hear it. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
4
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:22:00 -
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Pretty sure the rule are, there need to be a session timer in between , joining a war and engaging in combat.
Nisroc Angels
Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:53:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Joining a corporation that is at war, while you are in space with war targets is considered an exploit. You will have to dock up to join in those cases.
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0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:12:00 -
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Yet again this needs no furth discussion. A 7 day timer for leaving/joining a corp or allince that is at war is the simple fix to this problem, Then CCP would not even need to handle any war exploits.
A 7 day timer would prevent both war dodging and war hopping to greif. |
SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:16:00 -
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New response today, after chasing it till it was escalated.
It is Confirmed as an exploit.
But... you must catch them in the act. with a character witnessing the act and file the petition immediately.
It's not as if they can check the server logs and see that the person joined corp at the exact same time his weapons were activated... oh wait, the're just being lazy.
Anyway, they said our current complaint is still under investigation and even if there is a result from it. We won't be privy to the result because of privacy issues.
So they could just get a warning and we not even know.
Suggestion, if you suspect someone of using this tactic you'll only catch them if you're losing ships to it.
Luckily enough most attempts have been dodged one way or another but they did get a couple kills.
It's just about impossible to prove them "attempting" to do it. |
THXBYE
Elite War Squad
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:25:00 -
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LMFAO .. nice I never had heard of it before. |
zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:14:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38730&find=unread check the gm response here
GM Homonoia wrote:Joining a corporation that is at war, while you are in space with war targets is considered an exploit. You will have to dock up to join in those cases.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1044
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:23:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:If:
1. Corp Infiltrator attacks in-corp high-value target (Jump Freighter/Orca)
2. Gets kicked from corp by director while fighting in space and gets Concorded. = Not an exploit???
Too bad that is not possible because you have to be docked or logged off in order to be kicked from a corp. |
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