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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.09.26 21:50:00 -
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This is BS. I did missions for the Caldari state brought them electronics gave them stuff and now Gallente hates me. It's great moving through Gallente space having them attack me with 10 battleships. I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG AND I AM NOT AN ENEMY OF GALLENTE!!! How the H3LL did the find out I was giving tritanium to a Caldari corp.? I have not destroyed one Gallente Battleship or any ship. Fix my faction you expect me to buy this load of BS!
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:05:00 -
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Unfortunately, you destroyed your faction yourself. Agents are not there just to hand out implants, they are there to change your factions.
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Netrunner
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:09:00 -
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It's the consequences of helping an enemy faction ;P I'm running around minmatar right now but if I entered Amaar I'd be dead it's worth it though, Ammar are scum anyways 
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Zoson
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:35:00 -
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Never, ever, take responsibility for your own actions when you can throw a tantrum and blame it on someone else. Right?
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Cairhien
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:47:00 -
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Spoken like a true liberal.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:47:00 -
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With the time it takes to lvl a character one would think most players were mature but every day one is proven wrong.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.26 23:04:00 -
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 ą Recently evidence has linked the bombing of a Gallente Station to a small group of Caldari. Also, from the fragmented debris, intelligence agents have been able to trace origins of some of the electronics components to a supplier by the name of Fuse. If any Gallente citizen has knowledge to the whereabouts of this individual, please report it to your local military officialsą
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.09.27 00:50:00 -
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… Recently evidence has linked the bombing of a Gallente Station to a small group of Caldari. Also, from the fragmented debris, intelligence agents have been able to trace origins of some of the electronics components to a supplier by the name of Fuse. If any Gallente citizen has knowledge to the whereabouts of this individual, please report it to your local military officials…
I didn't make those electronics and so it does not have my stamp on them. With your logic everyone should get a negative rating with Gallente if they mine and sell minerals to Caldari NPCs.  This is NOT logical. I don't care what you guys say. Also please keep your s#upid labels to yourselves "liberal" (yah right).
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Ryes Ammal
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Posted - 2003.09.27 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ryes Ammal on 27/09/2003 00:52:15
All well and good... but that is just an RP justification for Fuse's deteriorated Gallente faction.
The real question is this: Where are CCP's game rules which discuss how factions work? If there are no clearly written rules explaining this unfortunate consequence of working missions, then Fuse's anger is justified imo. Of course, there might be rules and I for one would love to read them.
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Eve - the place where is pays to be lucky to get ahead. But don't count on hard work my friend. It is no substitute for a +20 luckstone. |
Dr Fritz
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Posted - 2003.09.27 00:59:00 -
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Wow! This is the most exciting news I've heard in Eve for a long time!! Finally!
I'm doing Caldari agent missions and I look forward to becoming an enemy of which ever faction wants to hate me! I knew all along that factions were in the game, but now that they actually mean something, it's terrific!
Eve is too "Gene Roddenberry" - every one getting along (even though the news reports say otherwise) and no racial differentiation.
Boring.
Now for Concord to collapse and the universe to really become exciting!
Thanks for your post.
-Dr Fritz
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.27 01:23:00 -
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The metaphorical reference with the news clip was in response to your statement about blowing up a ship. Not everything in EVE revolves around the destruction of a ship; other actions can also have positive and negative consequences.
The faction rating is a simple way to let you know how different groups and organizations feel about you because of your actions. There doesnĘt need to be a set of rules stating exactly what will affect the factions as each player will learn this through time and through play. There is also the option of asking around and speaking to other players to see what they have learned.
For example, if you keep working for the Caldari, who are known to be the enemies of the Gallente, your Gallente faction is bound to decrease. I didnĘt read this from some log, it just makes sense. Fuse, learned this through experience.
The damage is not irreparable, just work for the Gallente for a while to show you are still a supporter for them.
I like the idea of a game which doesnĘt reveal all of its secrets upfront or in some magazine publication. It would even seem EVE is a game which requires some research and investigation to gain insight and knowledge.
OMG ū Something which requires a player to think, the nerve of some developers.
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Agent 2
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Posted - 2003.09.27 01:27:00 -
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when do they start shooting at you? -2, -3 or?
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Ryes Ammal
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Posted - 2003.09.27 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ryes Ammal on 27/09/2003 01:39:08
Exactly Agent 2... at what point do they start shooting? You see, not many seem to know the answer to this simple VERY BASIC question. See my thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=35278
32 readers so far with still no definitive answer. And thus my point, the damage may well be repairable, but the consequences of low faction are poorly understood by the community at large and possibly some will experience a significant set back because of this ignorance. Penalties for ignorance of written rules is one thing. Penalties for ignorance of unwritten rules is quite another.
BTW: I will shut up about all this as soon as I can get a definitive answer. In the meantime I must troll the boards rather than risk losing millions by wandering into unfriendly space. Space where I have hangars and goods stowed... all perhaps temporarily unreachable.
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Eve - the place where is pays to be lucky to get ahead. But don't count on hard work my friend. It is no substitute for a +20 luckstone. |
Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2003.09.27 08:27:00 -
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Fuse could post his Faction rating and maybe (if he even knew and watched the standings) he should know when they started shooting at him .... but instead you moan about CCP and the Devs to give you clear numbers ... does your police write down in press when they start shooting at a criminal ?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.09.27 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ryes Ammal on 27/09/2003 00:52:15
The real question is this: Where are CCP's game rules which discuss how factions work? If there are no clearly written rules explaining this unfortunate consequence of working missions, then Fuse's anger is justified imo. Of course, there might be rules and I for one would love to read them.
I don't want those rules spelled out. I want uncertainty. Infact I would go as far as removing the numbers and only spell out the verbal interpretation of your standing. It would be more realistic imho. Then again it would probably cause a gigantic amount of whine :(
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.28 04:47:00 -
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when do they start shooting at you? -2, -3 or?
Historically -2.
So if your faction drops too much, take a break from the agent missions before you hit that number.
Or see if you happened to obtain an agent from one of the other factions via docking a while ago. e.g. if you have bad Gallente faction, see if you've got a Gallente agent.
Also, I think if you get a CONCORD agent, running for him will improve ALL of your empire factions.
Too bad combat does practically nothing for your faction. It would be nice to be able to fix bad race faction by killing NPC rats.
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Ezra Cornell
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.09.28 07:24:00 -
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since the last patch you've been able to view an factions allies and enemys .. does it not stand to reason that doing work for said faction would raise faction with the allies and lower it with the enemys ?
by the title I'm going to assume you only really started putting in serious work on agent missions since the patch to get the said implants you say you went to caldari to get :D
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.28 10:13:00 -
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Get yourself a DED lvl 1 agent and do some work for him.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.09.28 11:30:00 -
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Please elaborate Joshua :-)
I'm drawing uncomfortably near -2 with Amarr, will a DED agent be able to up my standings?
(Yes, i do have one)
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Head of Public Relations, Fountain Alliance |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.28 11:38:00 -
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"I'm drawing uncomfortably near -2 with Amarr, will a DED agent be able to up my standings?"
DED agents have a nice trait of improving all empire factions at the same time, at expense of all pirate factions.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.28 11:40:00 -
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If you are concerned about your standings with a particular grouping and wish to change, use the aforementioned faction listing for the groups the agents represent. This listing tells you how your work with the agent will impact your faction ratings by listing the allies and enemies and giving a (H)igh, (M)edium and (L)ow impact rating. Using this, you can then determine just how to keep a good balance or to prevent from upsetting one grouping or another.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.09.28 13:45:00 -
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j0sephine and jojin, thanks to both of you :-)
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Aissa
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Posted - 2003.09.28 15:28:00 -
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How to get a DED agent:
Dock at the Logicistics plant in Yulai.
How to get a Sisters of EVE agent:
Dock at the top SoE Bureau in Rens.
Both these factions don't hurt empire factions.
It is worth reminding you that factional rewards are already in place, and will likely only be implemented more often now that the mechanism is in place.
~Aissa
Nomad, Dictionary and Encyclopedia of The Regulators |
Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.09.28 16:32:00 -
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This is BS. I did missions for the Caldari state brought them electronics gave them stuff and now Gallente hates me. It's great moving through Gallente space having them attack me with 10 battleships. I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG AND I AM NOT AN ENEMY OF GALLENTE!!! How the H3LL did the find out I was giving tritanium to a Caldari corp.? I have not destroyed one Gallente Battleship or any ship. Fix my faction you expect me to buy this load of BS!
Hmm, maybe he would be more aptly named SHORT Fuse
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.09.30 08:38:00 -
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Hmm, maybe he would be more aptly named SHORT Fuse
You are so funny! Did you stay up all night to come up with that witty remark?
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.30 14:21:00 -
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The problem with doing agent missions is not that you lose sec vrsus another faction for doing them. You lose -0.02 for each mission you do for an opposeing agent..when you start bribing the agents is where the problem lies.
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If you are doing agent missions and your faction status drops below -2.0 versus a faction they will attack you in any of there space with a 1.0-0.9 sec rating as you lose more faction rating againest them they attack in lower sec all the way to 0.5 sec systems.
allways watch your sec and stop bribing and doing missions for the faction if a opposeing faction is near -1.50.
The other way is get a concord agent and do missions for them which will increase your rating with all the factions. except pirate ones.
" Stay Frosty "
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:14:00 -
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I am going to make this as simple as possible, using an example from another nice and simple game... Gallente = Rebels, caldari = empire, now, helping the empire in any way would make you an enemy of the rebels, and helping the rebels in any way would make you an enemy of the empire. with me so far? Now, helping a group of pirates that attack the rebels and the empire would make you an enemy of both. are we still on the same page? so, helping the jedi (who assist both sides) would ...?
I expect your answer in the next post. Use the standings tab in the character sheet as a study guide.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.30 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 30/09/2003 21:31:44
Does killing the local pirates still help your faction? I could have sworn that I used to have a stupid-good minmatar republic rating back when I was killing a lot of angels. Would going out and killing pirates in Gallente space help out his rating (if he did it before the magic -2.0?)
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fuse on 01/10/2003 01:55:20
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I am going to make this as simple as possible, using an example from another nice and simple game... Gallente = Rebels, caldari = empire, now, helping the empire in any way would make you an enemy of the rebels, and helping the rebels in any way would make you an enemy of the empire. with me so far? Now, helping a group of pirates that attack the rebels and the empire would make you an enemy of both. are we still on the same page? so, helping the jedi (who assist both sides) would ...?
I expect your answer in the next post. Use the standings tab in the character sheet as a study guide.
Your analysis of the situation is false. It is more like this Caldari = an extreme evolution of the USA and Gallente = a really pis*y evolution of France (if that is possible). So the question is if the USA and France were to have a war after the war is over a Frenchman works for a USA based firm say Boeing because this is the future the Gallente man travels through his territory and why would the Gallente start shooting at him? All I did is shoot serpentis for the corp and delever electronics. It's does not make me an enemy of the state. The point is the Gallente and Caldari war is OVER and working for a corporation not the Caldari Government should not drop your faction to -3.28.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2003.10.01 03:06:00 -
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The point is the Gallente and Caldari war is OVER and working for a corporation not the Caldari Government should not drop your faction to -3.28.
FFS, can you whine any more about this?? You should have been paying attention to your goddamn faction standings! The information was there for you to look at, you had the warnings, you failed to pay attention to them.
Cry me a river.
Oh, and wait a few days and the Gallente will forget about killing you, your negative standing diminishes over time.
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