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HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 399	Posted - 2014.06.29 01:41:00 - [61] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that. That is correct in theory. I'd like to see a kspace group that is actually successfully doing that, though. Hi My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 437	Posted - 2014.06.29 05:50:00 - [62] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Axloth Okiah wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that. That is correct in theory. I'd like to see a kspace group that is actually successfully doing that, though. Hi. Yeah... no... sorry. Your KB tells otherwise. Check out hardcocks KB if you dont know what I mean by "successful". W-Space Realtor
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 336	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:10:00 - [63] - Quote Whatever you need to tell yourself. Consider Khanid/Kor-Azor for rent-á/Hades Effect Recruitment
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 437	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:29:00 - [64] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Whatever you need to tell yourself. I'd rather not derail Procs thread into a ****-measuring contest, so you are welcome to mail or convo ;) W-Space Realtor
calaretu Imperial Collective Unsettled. 120	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:35:00 - [65] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Whatever you need to tell yourself. I looked through every single of your 1300 kills in June. If you discount the kills made by the groups actually living in wormholespace and the kills brought to you by endi32 (you dont get to count those for alliance. endi32 is like a superscout and I know the effort he puts into his kills) you are left with less then a handful of kills in wormholespace. SYJ is basicly an example that proves Axlioth's point. ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
BayneNothos United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners 82	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:45:00 - [66] - Quote Re: C4's dual statics. As a C4'er, as I've said before, an extra static won't do what you think it'll do. We can track it plenty easy and will ignore it. It'll be the same as C4's with a Higher WH static and the same as C2's with C5/Null statics. I've been in W Space nearly three and a bit years now. Almost entirely in the one WH. I'm seeing lately less C5 k162's, nearly no C3's, less C2's but a TON more C4's. C4's are going fine, they're just not going upwards. That's replicating what I've seen for ages with our statics. I don't think I've ever seen an online person in a C2-C5/Null WH. Other C2's with Higher WH statics, the Higher WH is always fresh. I don't think people actually exist in C4-C5 WH's. The issue still remains, there's nothing for Lower WH people to do in Upper WH's. None of you mine or PI run, so there's nothing to hit. You run with such large groups that we really can't have a fight where we have a chance of getting something out of it. And finally why run your sites when we can run our own much safer and easier. We can probably help solve the last two issues by giving all current Lower WH statics that go into Higher WH's (like H900's for example) the ability to jump caps. Give them like 4-5 cap jumps of mass and see if that shakes things up. It may just make a new carebear paradise, but ideally it'd give smaller groups that run caps the ability to escalate against Higher WH groups.
Hatshepsut IV Cascading Failure Un.Bound 112	Posted - 2014.06.29 07:10:00 - [67] - Quote BayneNothos wrote: ...As a C4'er, as I've said before, an extra static won't do what you think it'll do. We can track it plenty easy and will ignore... Your logic is flawed in that it doesn't matter if the people who live there ignore the hole, its still there as a potential connection. If I roll into you im going to check that path of the chain out, I won't be the only one....hence more traffic. Its not the same as a c5/null static unless you give it those specific statics. BayneNothos wrote: The issue still remains, there's nothing for Lower WH people to do in Upper WH's. None of you mine or PI run, so there's nothing to hit. You run with such large groups that we really can't have a fight where we have a chance of getting something out of it. And finally why run your sites when we can run our own much safer and easier. This is wrong, on basically every assumption. Plenty of people in high class system do PI. Some even mine sometimes. They just might be a little smarter about it. FYI doing PI/mining with open connections and low active count is a bad idea regardless of what class hole you reside in. Second, not all highclass wormholer groups are exclusively of thje 40 man t3 gang crowd. There are plenty of mid to small sized groups that do just fine and can in fact thrive. I know because my alliance is one of them. Im going to quote and bold the last bit for emphasis on how silly it is. BayneNothos wrote: And finally why run your sites when we can run our own much safer and easier Risk vs reward risk vs reward my friend. You don't get rich by playing the penny slots, by your mentality why don't we all go live in c1s and farm....... Its trivially easy to take a fleet of ishtars/logi into a quiet c5 and steal the sites if you wanted too. Sure its a little bit riskier (debatably so even) but the same principles you should be doing to scout/vet and watch for hostiles running stuff in c4s works just the same in a c5/6. Highclass wormholes aren't some mystical land where things suddenly change from low class wormholes. They work exactly the same. Stop pretending that we don't all have access to the same toys and game mechanics. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad \| Cascading Failure Public Channel \| Aspiring Failure
calaretu Imperial Collective Unsettled. 120	Posted - 2014.06.29 08:30:00 - [68] - Quote I will put my had out on the block and disagree with the major consensus. It is a known fact that theres this mantra about not evicting pvp entities. As long as you play and behave in the accepted manner ofc. If you dont then everyone gang up on you. So theres an ideal that is ment to improve quality of life for the big groups that is part of the same club (WH overlords or whatever channel serves the same purpose). And ofcourse its repeated a few times on forum. But do not be fooled. This mantra only apply to those in the club. If you are a smaller group of players trying to carve your way, without "entertaining" the big groups to make them like you, you are basicly on your own and nobody cares. And there are several lesser known groups that dont mind doing evictions and infact find them fun. They dont go about boasting about it either as that would just make them a target in return. But evictions still happen. Those who can, and want to, do it. And is this really a bad thing? Are evictions and invasions what ruin wormholespace? After being on the recieving end of 4 invasions in the last year and on the dealing end a few times aswell I will VERY strongly object to this nonsense of an idea. In fact I will go so far as to state that invasions and evictions are what actually drive the major content in wormholespace. The attempt to NIP (Non Invasion Pact) everything is one (not the only) of the reasons wormholespace is becoming dull for a lot of people. Yes it sucked to loose 50 bill of assets when we was evicted from our 5-2. It was a difficult time. But for me (and I believe many others) that is what Eve is all about. Sometimes you win and sometimes you get beaten to the ground. But then you get up again and set out finding a new wormhole and start building up again. And even for those who give up, they will always remember the adventure you had, the victories and the losses. Its a story they bring on and remember. THIS is what makes eve the game we all love. Not only the victories but also the losses. And when you go and create a big blue safetyzone around you that feeling of risk, that feeling of adventure and excitement will depart and degrade aswell. This is also one of the things that is unique to wormholespace. At least now. It used to be like this in 0.0. When ATUK[5] empire fell in the southeast we were a small group of corps that banded togeather and went back out as a new alliance [CHIMP] and took back some of the space without being dropped on by everyone. This was in the time before the big forceprojection. Before Titans. And even dreads was a rare sight. We still have this opportunity in wormholespace. If you get beaten you can head back out and start fresh in a new system. Noone can stop you. But out of fear a lot of you sign up NIPs and add every diplo in any major group to your facebook page (metaphor). What happened to those who were willing to take a risk? To have no blues and take on the world? If you who are a smaller group and want to take on wormholespace think you need to play the politics game with all the big groups. Let me tell you this. You dont need to. Take a step and man up. Do your own thing. Play your own way. You might loose some, but its worth it!! ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
BayneNothos United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners 82	Posted - 2014.06.29 08:40:00 - [69] - Quote Re: More Traffic Sure, I get that. There's a long history on the extra C4 connection and many people seem to think that it'll somehow gain more fights out of C4 people. My point is that it's not going to get people that. It'll be ignored or it'll have a scout posted at it like a K162. Maybe we'll have an extra gang or two track through our WH, but it's not going to change life for the residents in any major way. Re: PI/Mining As a generalisation, it seems that higher WH groups do less of this than lower groups. Maybe you are just paying attention more than lower groups and thus I'm not getting any chances. Point still remains that there's a lot lower opportunity to get a high wh guy doing this than a lower one. Re: T3 Gangs Good to know but you seem to be the outlier from what I see. The last few groups I can think of from memory have had pages of 20+ people on killmails. It is the standard doctrine of W Space. Hopefully when the T3 balance gets done we'll get to see other doctrines around. Re: C5/6 SItes Without the cap escalations, they're not worth much more from a C4 but have the added risk of being in someone elses WH. Most people I know don't log out inside pos's but at off dscan safes. Yes you can posts scouts everywhere, yes you can drop combat probes to try and catch logging in people. It's still way more effort and risk over the C4 home sites, which is more my point.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 336	Posted - 2014.06.29 14:11:00 - [70] - Quote calaretu wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Whatever you need to tell yourself. I looked through every single of your 1300 kills in June. If you discount the kills made by the groups actually living in wormholespace and the kills brought to you by endi32 (you dont get to count those for alliance. endi32 is like a superscout and I know the effort he puts into his kills) you are left with less then a handful of kills in wormholespace. SYJ is basicly an example that proves Axloth's point. I didn't say it was the only thing that we do. I simply said that that sort of life style is possible without necessarily living in a wormhole. Let's read what's on the paper, not in our heads. Consider Khanid/Kor-Azor for rent-á/Hades Effect Recruitment
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Ixtab. 1590	Posted - 2014.06.30 08:34:00 - [71] - Quote After playing in wormholes for three and something years, I don't think wormhole space is dying in a sense that everyone will eventually leave but in absence of new wormhole specific content, people get bored fast and thus, corporations/alliances collapse. With CCP focusing on K-space and the new space they have planned, there is a serious danger of wormhole space becoming as dead and the Low sec of old. I'll be interested to see how far the people who say "wormholes are perfect, create your own content" are willing to let things go before they start demanding CCP pay w-space some attention. +1
HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 401	Posted - 2014.06.30 17:10:00 - [72] - Quote Caleratu as much as I understand your point of view... and we said we were sorry about that C5>C2 incedent... Invasions and Sieges are BAD! REEEEAAAALLY BAD! Now that doesnt mean I support a NIP NAP snippydysnap, BUT! What is bad about Invasions: - Mechanics Everybody and their brother can agree that the Mechanics dominating Wormhole Sieges, are soo out of WHACK, that it is almost silly. Esspecially if you compare it to the rest. Most of the Time people are better of doing Expos ISK Wise then actually Sieging. Which brings me to WHY? The Why is most of the TIME REEEEEEAALLY BAD! To make it silly i will put them in a ranking list: 1 - Shitton of Stuff (24 SMAs) aka the LOOT PINATA, you can also ask James Arget about such Blitzsieges (Covenant of the Phoenix if i m not mistaken) but it actually got kicked off by CO2 who have been doing it in 2013 and of course its a pure PROFIT MOTIVE 2 - The "OMGHESAIDBADTHINGS" Arguement: As most prominent example you have the HK Invasion or the Battle for Zedland... 3 - "A new home is best painted with the blood of its previous owners" - as it was done with your previous previous home by SUSU 4 - CLEANSE ALL THE CLASS. Every once in the while somebody is on a holy crusade vs AntiBob, Carebears or NULL.. sometimes all 3 together. Its also pretty popular to keep the focus on one specific class... Chitsa 2012 - Class 6 Free of Null 5 - MERC. For example Repercussus can be hired for 2b and provide 30 Ishtar/proteii at your service .. Siege and Defense As you can see there is not really a variaty of reasons that can consequently lead to sieges / invasions which brings me to the last point why SIEGES ARE ****!!!!! Although i would argue that its only "a big boy" thing, i know of alot of people that provided assistence for distressed small corps (SSC and NOHO being the Prominent WHITE KNIGHTS) So whats bad about Sieges? It's the "fun" for each individual Member, were you have to differentiate between "committed" and "casual" ... and even aggressing and defending, since most of the "Siege" Entertainment is WATCHING combined with a serious amount of WAITING! So you have pressure and BOREDOM AND the fact that you would be better off running homesites and roll for PvP. And then there is something I always see with tears in my eyes... with every Siege "potential" PvP gets WIPED..... So Mechanics, Reasons and strain on the individual player are not really pointing towards "invasions" being fun, esspecially if the mentality is supplemented by the nasty taste of Led and batphone...... Most of the TIME I feel Sieges are like the following: You put a gun to someones head and say Entertain me but i will shoot you anyways. Its counterproductive... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Longinius Spear Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 272	Posted - 2014.06.30 17:44:00 - [73] - Quote HerrBert wrote: Caleratu as much as I understand your point of view... and we said we were sorry about that C5>C2 incedent... 3 - "A new home is best painted with the blood of its previous owners" - as it was done with your previous previous home by SUSU I would like to take this moment and point out, that Caleratu has become someone I would call a friend. Even though there was that c5>c2 incident. We did kind of paint the walls with his blood, but seriously if I knew what a nice guy was at the time, that would have gone down differently. He is a hell of a guy and I feel has grown as a person since I have known him. o7 PS-- Bert made me do it. Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Ixtab. 1593	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:05:00 - [74] - Quote calaretu wrote: What happened to those who were willing to take a risk? To have no blues and take on the world? They were beaten by those willing to ensure victory through overwhelming force, for the sake of kill-mails. +1
calaretu Imperial Collective Unsettled. 122	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:27:00 - [75] - Quote HerrBert wrote: Caleratu as much as I understand your point of view... and we said we were sorry about that C5>C2 incedent... No dont be. Pls dont be. As I said earlier. That is what makes eve what it is. The risk of that happening to anyone is what make wormholespace the adventure it is. When we decided to move out from the c4 haven we had, we first tried to get entire corp to follow but many were too scared of being evicted. So we started just 3 guys taking on a c5 wormhole. You have no idea how much fun we had. And we always knew that one day some group might come evict us just for the fun of it. I've been part of eviction fleets that was caused of a Noctis gank. Noctis!. Thats not unique even. Just a month a go ROLO connected to our current home and started farming our sites in au tz. We had like two or three guys on that went and started boming the wrecks because they really couldnt do much else. They went on to RF one of our towers. Now I'm not saying this should happen every day. But the risk of it happening even once to your corp makes a huge difference in how you percieve your everyday life in wormholespace. HerrBert wrote: If you really break it down: Wormhole Sieges are nothing less then glorified HellCamps... and people say Wormholes is not like NULL.... damnit EVERY TACTIC USED IN WORMHOLES (besides game of MASS) has been done in NULL..... I know. But this is not due to mechanics only, but also due to human nature. Ask yourself this. If siegeing a wormhole was more fun, would it not happen more often? Ofc it would. It would happen all the time. Because some people just want to see the world burn. The boring part of siegeing a wormhole is what makes it a undertaking. A effort. Something epic. If you want to do it you need to do it properly. And this is what create the stories. The tales that we bring on. At least to me EVE is not a game for some mindless grinding or some arena fights when I'm bored. There are plenty of other games that have that for less effort. EVE is about something more. It has a thrill to it that no other game can match. Because you risk to loose it all. And this is why I disagree on the matter of evictions being bad. ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 403	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:38:00 - [76] - Quote I admire your "creative" view on the matter, but honest reality check .. 50 dudes without pants infront of a computer screen guarding a Forcefield is not pleasent.... although there were highlights... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Shilalasar Dead Sky Inc. 41	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:41:00 - [77] - Quote But without shiplosses in the API you have to do the counting during SD parties manually.
calaretu Imperial Collective Unsettled. 124	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:47:00 - [78] - Quote HerrBert wrote: I admire your "creative" view on the matter... Well thank you :) But that is honestly how I feel. And I know I'm not alone. It is the same reason as groups like Noho go "bhaals deep" into someones home. To risk it all and either win or loose. Same reason TRI want to take on fights where they are outnumbered. Too risk it all for a win or loss. And for the same reason we sat up a tower in c5 space a year ago. To risk it all for winning some but maybe aswell loose it all. And it was worth every minute we spent on that. Even when we lost it all. ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 404	Posted - 2014.07.01 01:02:00 - [79] - Quote It depends on the scale of your operation. Yes Sieges can be nerv wrecking days of all or nothing, BUT...if you enter the realm of a "Line" member, you have some of the most boring structure grind. Yes Leadership and Cap Pilots are in for a Ride, but think about your 10-20 other friends, waiting and hoping. Lots of the times its their Opinion that decides about OP SUCCESS :) If you have 100% Dedication and commitment .. then yes sieges can be fun, but you cannot expect that from anyone in an internet spaceship game... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Dominus Alterai Explorer Corps Disavowed. 92	Posted - 2014.07.01 05:49:00 - [80] - Quote HerrBert wrote: It depends on the scale of your operation. Yes Sieges can be nerv wrecking days of all or nothing, BUT...if you enter the realm of a "Line" member, you have some of the most boring structure grind. Yes Leadership and Cap Pilots are in for a Ride, but think about your 10-20 other friends, waiting and hoping. Lots of the times its their Opinion that decides about OP SUCCESS :) If you have 100% Dedication and commitment .. then yes sieges can be fun, but you cannot expect that from anyone in an internet spaceship game... Don't know about you, mate, but when on invasions I usually play me some Warthunder. Nothing like being a fighter pilot while your internet space ship just cycles siege and kills that tower with the stupid amount of hardeners. Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Ixtab. 1593	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:15:00 - [81] - Quote Dominus Alterai wrote: Don't know about you, mate, but when on invasions I usually play me some Warthunder. Nothing like being a fighter pilot while your internet space ship just cycles siege and kills that tower with the stupid amount of hardeners. They have a spaceship version you know? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lLNJbBl9w +1
HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 406	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:28:00 - [82] - Quote Mate my last private Siege Entertainment: Season 0-2 Spartacus Homebase Sandwich Bar (Litterally i could make sooooo manyyyy sandwiches) Skyrim (unplayed before) Lots of Naughty Material (Chocolate, Chips, Cigerrettes) I can handle my Siege ... doesnt mean I have to enjoy it ... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Meytal School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 446	Posted - 2014.07.01 20:09:00 - [83] - Quote I could be exceptionally negative and posit that the ones leaving for Nullsec are the ones who didn't really enjoy W-space life anyway. They would spend their times roaming and hunting K-space, and really only camp out in W-space, sort of like the reverse day-tripper. Now in Nullsec they don't have to worry about the randomness of W-space anymore. But that would be even more presumtuous on my part than making this little jab in that direction :) It does, however, seem that by and large the C5/C6 guys are the least happy, and the greater the size of the group the more the unhappy there is. It wasn't that long ago that people were leaving C6 space and moving down to C5 space because that's where the action was. In my limited experience in dealing with a C5 corp/alliance, there were some people who did most of the work, and many people who waiting for those people to log in and ... do all the work. I'm sure that varies by group, and all groups will have some of that unless you intentionally try to drive out the dead weight, but that led to a lot of stagnation in that particular group. Our association with that C5 corp/alliance led to us unintentionally pulling members from them to join us in lower class wormhole space when they saw us active, thriving, and happy. That we weren't overflowing in ISK didn't seem to matter to them. We had something they wanted that their previous corp or corps didn't offer. The ISK would come, it would just come slower than in the C5/C6 realm. I think the dissatisfied might be focusing on the wrong things. I'd suggest (to anyone, really) to take a step back and figure out what you're looking for out of EVE. You don't need to be the size of the major alliances to have fun in W-space, nor do you need to throw capitals at everyone who even blinks at a connection to your home system. Smaller groups are much easier to manage and make it much easier to develop relationships with the members of your corp and alliance. What you're looking for may even not be in wormhole space. Sometimes also, you just need to take a break, explore other games, and see if you get the EVE itch again. You'll probably find that you really miss the place and come running back before too long, especially if you've developed relationships with the people. For us, we've got each others' backs not just because we're corp mates but because we actually like each other and because we know that we're looking for the same kinds of things from the game in general and W-space in particular. That's probably the most important aspect of the game, and is what will keep you coming back for the same ear-splitting singing on Comms, or whelping fleets while under the same FC over and over (giving him medals of shame for each fleet he whelps), and just all around good fun with each other. When EVE is down, we still get on comms and goof off with each other while playing other games, throwing obligatory jabs in CCP's general direction for the duration. At the end of the day, we're just a big, eclectic group of friends geeking out at the computer making Internet space-pixels explode while people wonder where we came from and where we went. In my humble opinion, that's what you should look for. But figure out for yourself what you want, and go for that ... don't blindly go to the next group that is like the one you just left.
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 408	Posted - 2014.07.01 21:26:00 - [84] - Quote Meytal wrote: It does, however, seem that by and large the C5/C6 guys are the least happy, and the greater the size of the group the more the unhappy there is. I'm not sure if this is correct, I will say they are in general the biggest moaners, and I think this probably gives the impressionof them being unhappy. Nearly all the small groups I've spoke to seem to be pretty happy and content, yeah is stuff they would like and suggestions they have made. I get it alot now. If people are unhappy they moan like ** at you to change stuff. If there happy they tend to just be quite and carry on doing what they are doing. I do get a few good ideas but then alot of stuff you get is pretty silly. lets look below. HerrBert wrote: Radical changes? Hmmm Easy: Death to Static - Really Lost in Space... Remove Moons - Changes PvE Content radicly More Dynamic Wormholes - Better connectivity works for my SmartPhone too Remove Self Destruct within a forcefield - (HUGE Incentive for Loot pinatas) Increase PI Yield Spawn more Ore Belts in Low Class Wormholes Decrease the Anomalies and Increase the Special Sites Enable C4 Space Dualstatic (and in general more wormholes for C4 Space cant really hurt) Lift the freaking Mass Limitation of Class 1 wormholes, give the Noobs an Orca they dont have to build inside Reduce the Mass Limitations of C2 to C3 (Da do they need a 3b hole for??) You know what would be great, some Ice that would be great. Why having Constellations and no Constellation Chat and stop thinking that "a bigger challenge" means MORE DPS! (thats CCP) Give Sleepers again the Full Set of Electronic Warfare Toys AND FOR BOB FREAKING SAKE REMOVE THE BLOODY MINIGAME! or make one bloody can. Death to static, hmmm and replace with what, This is one of them were people give you a blank statement but nothing else. What do you replace them with? or you don't? are you expecting to totally rely on dynamics? Remove moons, Ok so you don't want people to live in pos? So everyone is ment to live in carriers or day trip people will only use 1 or 2 ships max as there is no where to store them other than a carrier. This is what i normally call a "pants on head idea" as you can do it but you'll look a prat if you do. More dynamics. attually a pretty decent idea. Remove Sd from pos's. This is def something that would need thinking carefully about as chances are the big groups would just go around stomping small groups to get loot. But its something worth thinking on. Increase PI yield. seems pretty reasonable people tend to go where the money is so could well bring in more people. Spawn more Ore Belts in Low Class Wormholes. Why as some one has already stated mining was risky before now its just a deathtrap waiting to happen. unless they put them back as needing to be scanned I really don't see any point of this. Decrease the Anomalies and Increase the Special Sites. Maybe I would need to get more information I just see this being more of a pain in the arse than anything. Enable C4 Space Dualstatic. a decent idea. Lift the freaking Mass Limitation of Class 1 wormholes, give the Noobs an Orca they dont have to build inside. Maybe again would need to look in to this for more information. I'm assuming here he means max jump mass. Reduce the Mass Limitations of C2 to C3 (Da ** do they need a 3b hole for??) I think here he means the total mass, not sure what this would do. Guess it would stop people bringing in a huge bs fleet. Ice in wormholes. people have already asked CCP have said NO NO NO. next question. Why having Constellations and no Constellation Chat. Must be a troll question as I have no idea why you would want a constelation chat. and stop thinking that "a bigger challenge" means MORE DPS! (thats CCP) I'll def pass this on to CCP. Give Sleepers again the Full Set of Electronic Warfare Toys. yep this could be interesting. The tears when the solo loki in a cap escalation site spents the whole time jammed out would be worth it. AND FOR BOB FREAKING SAKE REMOVE THE BLOODY MINIGAME! or make one bloody can. I semi agree. Although I can't see CCP getting rid of it. but i personally hate it. Some of the ideas are good others are pretty terrible. I'd say from the mails I get its probably 75% terrible 15% reasonable and 10% decent. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
Freddie Merrcury Daktaklakpak. 113	Posted - 2014.07.02 07:17:00 - [85] - Quote Random 8 battleship sleeper spawns on new wormholes openings when? That would make high class wormholes a bit hairier to fight on. Now that I've gotten the terrible ideas out of the way, we could do the easy thing and fix the problems that CCP made for themselves in the last few years with the automatic scanner pinging for new inbounds. Its not hard to see why PvP as a whole was affected by that cursed Odyssey scanner. It basically crippled the entire PvP ecosystem by killing off the "plankon" of ganks and small scale asymmetrical warfare. No group would reasonably want to engage in daily giant system shattering battles and a steady supply of small fish kept the whole system healthy and sustained. Its hard to keep people interested with nothing more than the occasional mid scale skirmishes to entice them. I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 44	Posted - 2014.07.02 11:43:00 - [86] - Quote corbexx wrote: Remove Sd from pos's. This is def something that would need thinking carefully about as chances are the big groups would just go around stomping small groups to get loot. But its something worth thinking on. Just remove insurance from SD instead?
Meytal School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 447	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:10:00 - [87] - Quote corbexx wrote: I'm not sure if this is correct, I will say they are in general the biggest moaners, and I think this probably gives the impressionof them being unhappy. Good point. I had based my observations primarily on the forums and movement of other groups our diplo guys tell us about, which tend to be the bigger, more organized groups. And actually, that's also a bit of a catch-22 in itself: if the most visible groups on the forums are (usually) the most unhappy, what good could come from wormhole space? Need more happy people posting!
Dark Armata Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy.. 41	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:46:00 - [88] - Quote Then let me be one of those people. I Love W-Space. Never lived anywhere else, never could. I hate venturing to k-space for fights. Will take the in-your-face opportunities, but would rather roll and scan chains for hours then go one jump over from a k-space exit. Except to find more wormholes to scan. Has w-space changed? Yes. Has w-space always been changing? Yes. Will w-space continue to change? Yes. Content makers/scouts will burn out. Pilots will come and go. Groups will rise and fall. Real life will continue to take its toll. As EVE gets older so to do those that start playing it, with all the responsibilities that age brings. As someone else said recently it is when the "wormholes are dead" threads stop popping up that those of us left will truly have cause to worry. W-Space is Best Space
Osiris Ettnie Origin. Black Legion. 11	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:44:00 - [89] - Quote I left WHs for "Null" recently on the base that running a WH alliance wore me out. To me there was so much effort for not much result. The amazing part about WHs is that when you do get that epic fight whether win or lose you walk away smiling and its usually amazing. The fact is that those fights are so few and far in between that there wasn't enough reward in the aspect of adrenaline or things that made you smile while playing. It was more have fun on comms with your mates and sit there and bore yourselves with rage rolling scanning chains and running escalations when you cant find anything. Then once in awhile you get that great fight your numbers that log on peak you see faces you haven't seen in awhile for the next week and it dies down again. Then you go back to the same core of people grinding through rolling and scanning rinse and repeat. I personally went from null to WHs now im here. I had fun in null the first time. Went to WHs was new and fresh and a amazing experience would do it again if i found the right group BUT i would not fully commit i would leave a toon out and about to keep me busy during the boring days. So the moral of this is most people dont want to put in the hard effort for the good fights in WH space its much easier in Null or Low to get similar situations of PvP and that rush that all players as PvPers go look for.
Osiris Ettnie Origin. Black Legion. 12	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:16:00 - [90] - Quote Here is my solution and honestly i think its the reason for stagnation in null as well people have no reason to invade they try so hard to balance space and have them equal so everyone has a fair chance. That is the game breaker right there you have to give players a reason to fight a reason to push there enemies out and cause a war. It takes so much effort to go into an all out war that no one is willing to do it if its not worth it. And the biggest thing people fight over in eve is what. ISK ISK ISK that is the biggest motivation for war in this game. Yeah some are caused by grudges or other things but most wars are over isk. Null use to be tech moons and the most profitable regions hence how many Delve wars have there been ya know. Sence the moon balance and the fact that they have been trying to balance all the space there was war over renter territory and that's it now the big dogs have as much as they want so there is no reason to fight. Same applies to WHs. WHs like nova the most well know WH i think that exist could be wrong but whatever not the point. The point is make one WH stronger than the other give alliances a reason to live in C6 space or invade a better yielding c5. The point is why invade a WH when you can just move into another right now that will basically yield you the same amount of isk as any other. As null for example one region USE to yield more than the other until they changed it now, stagnation. If nothing is done about this soon i seriously see trouble in EVEs future there needs to be content. and balance isn't always the answer. No matter how much players gripe about uhhhh there region is better than mine, BUCK UP AND INVADE IT THEN. Thats what creates content thats what we love about this game.

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