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HerrBert V0LTA Triumvirate. 409	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:12:00 - [91] - Quote Corbexx Death to static would be very radical. In fact its not really death to static as you always need a hole. But rather death to Target Static. I would rather like something along the lines of "Group Static" So you have a Static that doesnt go to c5 all the time it goes to C4/C5/C6 (HighClass) or C1/C2/C3 Lowclass .. giving for example rolling crews a harder challenge if the "dynamic static" would hit a c4. For Lowclass this would mean the same with the specials C2 and C4.... C2 would have a dual static for Empire and "Lowclass" or "Highclass", which also would be for the C4 So instead of this horizontal segments of corps (C5 Corps/C6 Corps yaadiiyaddi yadiii) you could have a more fluent "exploration" So the option you can pick for your home is not a target static its rather which space you roll more into (Highclass or Lowclass) If you want to make things reaaaaally interesting make it all class.... C6 space dialing out will be a ***** to crash.... 3b C3 ... ouch EDIT: You may want to consider for yourself that Wormhole Control in Highclass Space is completly broken anyways :D My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
Kynric Sky Fighters 88	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:29:00 - [92] - Quote A more moderate version of what HerrBert suggested would appeal to me. Instead of going full random, perhaps static could mean you usually find a certain type of wormhole, but every now and then something magical happens and instead of the usual static you get a different type with the frequence of what you get cooresponding to the class of wormhole. So for example a c2/c4/high might one day find that it is a c2/c4/low or very rarely a c2/c5/high. If the magical events were 5-10% or so of the time they would be common enough to be enjoyed without changing much of the character of the system. The problem with full random in my opinion is it would make the selection of a home less interesting as all c2's would have more or less the same character rather than the current flavor where region 7 c2's are very different homes than region 6 c2's. I remember back in the day wormholes were a lot more mysterious. I didnt realize there was no such thing as a c2/c2/null or c2/c2/high or even a c3/c4. We imagined that holes had an affinity for certain regions and many other superstitions.
The Feuror The Scope Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:57:00 - [93] - Quote #DreadfulSummer2014 ^ probably a troll.
Leon en Marland Blue-Fire 5	Posted - 2014.07.04 02:41:00 - [94] - Quote The Feuror wrote: #DreadfulSummer2014 This Anyone that's played EVE for over a year knows that most of EVE quiets down during the summer. If I saw this thread made in the middle of November I'd be a little worried but we're sitting in July. Give it 4 months and see how active Wspace becomes. If it's still as quiet as some (including myself) have found then feel free to start panicking.
Osiris Ettnie Origin. Black Legion. 12	Posted - 2014.07.04 15:04:00 - [95] - Quote i have been around and i havent seen it this quiet spread across both null and WHs at the same time it has even quieted low sec
Lucas Capri Nuclear Midnight Initiative Associates 18	Posted - 2014.07.05 18:01:00 - [96] - Quote The WH Community is hurting itself. You have all these groups fail-cascading which is normal. Groups rise and they fall in EVE. However they all seem to be going and joining 3-4 groups. These 3-4 groups are able to drop 40+ t3s in both the major TZs which is great for them because when they find a fight they curbstomp everyone. Then it gets boring as curb stomping is only fun for so long. Finding the other 2-3 groups that can compete is rare so epic fights rarely happen. Then you have groups on the "evicting is all the rage and oh the content it provides" but your evicting Corps/Alliances that months down the road might be able to put up a good fight. Its hard to build a WH group these days, not many people are looking to move to WH space. Instead of evicting (as eviction only provides content for a few days and then none, while if you had left them alone they would have provided content in the future many times over) all these smaller groups cause they POS up when your 20-40 man fleet of bling t3 show up cause they have 10 actives online and berating them in local cause they won't come suicide into you perhaps you should start to help and cultivate these groups. Sure its not your responsibility to help groups grow, its theirs, but if you want more good content a helping hand will go a long way in getting what you want. Speaking of the large entities... If the average size of a gang in C5/C6 WH space was 20 across both the main TZs you would have way way more epic fights. Sure this probably will never happen because lets be honest somebody is always going to try to bring the most numbers and win by sheer force. I see a lot of talk about asking CCP to change this and change that which would lead to better WH content. What I don't see much of is the WH Community getting together to enact change that would benefit the content. If Lazerhawks, No-Ho, Disavowed, Hard Knocks, ect. all got together and made some changes it would be better for the entire WH community. For example. 1. Develop an assistance program for new and developing WHs Corps/Alliances who want to move to C5/C6 space. Provide them with solid doctrines for everyday living in WH space. Help them establish the needed security elements when it comes to POSs, recruitment, ect. Help them setup Jabber, Siggy/Trip Wire, TS3, ect if they need it. Cultivate these young ones. Sure tons of people will say its not our job, which is true, but with a little effort the upcoming groups will get to a point where they can move to C5/C6 and then they provide more pew content for you. Add in that if any of these groups signed up on this "assistance program" get invaded that every WH Group will come to their aid and the evicting party themselves will become targets of the entire community for eviction. 2. Split the larger groups up where they have 20 actives in the main two TZs. Have people with multiple alts split them up. Have Corp/Alliance A and Corp/Alliance B but still have them be part of the same group. For example if we took the bigger groups doing 40 man t3s right now thats what 3-5, lets go with 4, that would then be 8 groups of 20.. there 10+ groups out there right now who would fight a fleet of 20.. All of a sudden you went from having a couple groups not being able to find large enough fleets to fight and only doing dunks once in awhile to tons of 20 man gangs out there roaming through WH space smashing into each other. These are just a couple things off the top of my head, I didn't really develop the ideas as the actual ways of making WH space better would probably come from the WH Community as a whole instead of one person. Now everyone can come in and tell me how its not their job to help other corps grow into a size big enough to provide content nor their job to change themselves to provide more content which funny enough will be the same people moaning about WH content being lackluster and WHs being dead. TLDR: The WH Community could do a lot of things to benefit the pew content in C5/C6 WH space if they would only get together out of game and come together to do a few things which would benefit everyone from the big guys to the smaller new comers.
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 445	Posted - 2014.07.05 18:22:00 - [97] - Quote I do promote the growth of other, smaller corps. It does sadden me too see people gravitating toward the bigger entities. It makes sense, especially for those who lost the will to compete. It's a safer bet, albeit lesser challenge. That said, if you're an up and coming wspace corp, feel free to get in touch with me about growth and content or whatever. It's important that the WH community feels like they can start anew, if they want to, without worrying about getting ROFLSTOMPT by bullies with low corp-esteem. I'm also the creator of the Rainbow Knights channel which serves as a diplomatic platform for the WH community, but also strives to promote growth in/and variety in wspace. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Kynric Sky Fighters 91	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:09:00 - [98] - Quote We don't need a psycohistorian (read Asimov's foundation if this doesn't mean anything to you, it is strangely relevant) to tell us that small organizations which have been repeatedly curb stomped will break up and many of the members will join the biggest strongest organization they can find. It is also no surprise that those large organizations over hunt their surroundings and become hungry, bitter, idle and lonely resulting in fractures. It is just the way of things. Just keep scouting, keep looking and follow the prey (or run from the predators if that is your preference.) It will work out.
Proclus Diadochu Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 1815	Posted - 2014.07.06 00:19:00 - [99] - Quote Lucas Capri wrote: Space Socialism. Nice try, Obama... Irrelevant-á\| Twitter: @autoritare \| [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ \| The Diogenes Club**
The Feuror The Scope Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2014.07.06 03:30:00 - [100] - Quote If you want more content people need to stop joining the "Safe" corps/alliances like HK and NoHo and make smaller corps with 50 active bros spread across 2/3 tz's. - edit: yeah basically same **** Frem just said but tl;dr If things keep up its gonna be nullsec 2.0 where HK plays the role of CFC and Noho plays the role of NC. while drop-bears sit back and harvest Nova like a bunch of renters. Then you have LZHX playing the role of the NPC banditos that show up unexpectedly and throw there poop on everyone like a couple rabid chimps. ^ probably a troll.
Winthorp 1823	Posted - 2014.07.06 04:52:00 - [101] - Quote The Feuror wrote: If you want more content people need to stop joining the "Safe" corps/alliances like HK and NoHo and make smaller corps with 50 active bros spread across 2/3 tz's. - edit: yeah basically same **** Frem just said but tl;dr If things keep up its gonna be nullsec 2.0 where HK plays the role of CFC and Noho plays the role of NC. while drop-bears sit back and harvest Nova like a bunch of renters. Then you have LZHX playing the role of the NPC banditos that show up unexpectedly and throw there poop on everyone like a couple rabid chimps. And people say i am bitter, you take the cake man. Your attempts at global domination not working out for you? I dislike when people say people are joining "safe" groups. WH space can be tiring and when all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. Snip Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.
Keith Planck Lazerhawks 811	Posted - 2014.07.06 05:19:00 - [102] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. cough Hold on to your butts.
Winthorp 1823	Posted - 2014.07.06 05:29:00 - [103] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: Keith Planck wrote: all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. cough See the difference is there is players like Keith here that do join groups for safety, he left us to join HK right when BU decided we were target number one and since he really loves to PVE he could no longer do that with us safely... To harsh? No fucks given. Snip Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.
Keith Planck Lazerhawks 811	Posted - 2014.07.06 06:26:00 - [104] - Quote Winthorp wrote: Keith Planck wrote: Keith Planck wrote: all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. cough See the difference is there is players like Keith here that do join groups for safety, he left us to join HK right when BU decided we were target number one and since he really loves to PVE he could no longer do that with us safely... To harsh? No fucks given. Can confirm this is exactly what happened, PVE is my #1 goal and therefore hard knocks was the obvious choice. Hold on to your butts.
The Feuror The Scope Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:09:00 - [105] - Quote Winthorp wrote: The Feuror wrote: If you want more content people need to stop joining the "Safe" corps/alliances like HK and NoHo and make smaller corps with 50 active bros spread across 2/3 tz's. - edit: yeah basically same **** Frem just said but tl;dr If things keep up its gonna be nullsec 2.0 where HK plays the role of CFC and Noho plays the role of NC. while drop-bears sit back and harvest Nova like a bunch of renters. Then you have LZHX playing the role of the NPC banditos that show up unexpectedly and throw there poop on everyone like a couple rabid chimps. And people say i am bitter, you take the cake man. Your attempts at global domination not working out for you? I dislike when people say people are joining "safe" groups. WH space can be tiring and when all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. I can admit that I was bitter they way Rolled Out was formed killed 2 good corps. I have been living bitterness free since it welped into HK and the fact that i calle it out and had you all deny it for a week or 2 was priceless to me.. My OP had nothing to do with rllo was just a general statement. ^ probably a troll.
Winthorp 1826	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:20:00 - [106] - Quote The Feuror wrote: Winthorp wrote: The Feuror wrote: If you want more content people need to stop joining the "Safe" corps/alliances like HK and NoHo and make smaller corps with 50 active bros spread across 2/3 tz's. - edit: yeah basically same **** Frem just said but tl;dr If things keep up its gonna be nullsec 2.0 where HK plays the role of CFC and Noho plays the role of NC. while drop-bears sit back and harvest Nova like a bunch of renters. Then you have LZHX playing the role of the NPC banditos that show up unexpectedly and throw there poop on everyone like a couple rabid chimps. And people say i am bitter, you take the cake man. Your attempts at global domination not working out for you? I dislike when people say people are joining "safe" groups. WH space can be tiring and when all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. I can admit that I was bitter they way Rolled Out was formed killed 2 good corps. I have been living bitterness free since it welped into HK and the fact that i calle it out and had you all deny it for a week or 2 was priceless to me.. My OP had nothing to do with rllo was just a general statement. I like how your bitter about stuff that was never any of your business EOL scrub. You act like you even knew what was going on in Sky let alone Rolled. You know nothing John Snow. Go crawl back under the rock you came out of. Snip Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.
Anhenka Daktaklakpak. 599	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:34:00 - [107] - Quote It's good to see that his thread has remained a productive and engaging conversation instead of devolving into petty squabbling over past slights.
Paikis Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 1258	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:41:00 - [108] - Quote Anhenka wrote: It's good to see that his thread has remained a productive and engaging conversation aint nobody got time for dat Anhenka wrote: devolving into petty squabbling over past slights. I got a little time
Osiris Ettnie Origin. Black Legion. 12	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:31:00 - [109] - Quote It's the way of eve the cycle of corps/alliances some cant take the heat disband before they become anything some get big and get bored disband some survive through everything and become something then later down the road DISBAND and some may last a few years and a bit further down the road disband lol it just takes time it eventually happens to everyone. Some longer than others but there is a reason there aren't many people with a perfect employment history.
a DAMN PATRIOT Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 8	Posted - 2014.07.07 03:49:00 - [110] - Quote The Feuror wrote: If you want more content people need to stop joining the "Safe" corps/alliances like HK and NoHo and make smaller corps with 50 active bros spread across 2/3 tz's. - edit: yeah basically same **** Frem just said but tl;dr If things keep up its gonna be nullsec 2.0 where HK plays the role of CFC and Noho plays the role of NC. while drop-bears sit back and harvest Nova like a bunch of renters. Your KB: http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=10187 My KB: http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=333698 I'm not sayin that KB means anything, I'm just sayin. Come visit Nova any time and we'll teach you how to spell Dropbears.
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 11813	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:02:00 - [111] - Quote Winthorp wrote: The Feuror wrote: I can admit that I was bitter they way Rolled Out was formed killed 2 good corps. I have been living bitterness free since it welped into HK and the fact that i calle it out and had you all deny it for a week or 2 was priceless to me.. My OP had nothing to do with rllo was just a general statement. I like how your bitter about stuff that was never any of your business EOL scrub. You act like you even knew what was going on in Sky let alone Rolled. You know nothing John Snow. Go crawl back under the rock you came out of. Winthorp is right. Feuror, when you made that thread it was just after we lost some of our main guys to nullsex. For a moment the corp's future was up in the air and it was announced internally that we may close. The feedback from all our guys after hearing this was pretty unanimous - we didn't want to close and we wanted to keep trying to make the corp work. It was about this time you made your thread saying that we'd imploded. So in fact the was no "denying" anything for a week or two. You were quite simply .. wrong. So we kept at it for some weeks, recruiting and trying to get good fights, until it was clear that it wasn't going anywhere fast, so the plug was eventually pulled, much to the dismay of many within the corp. But it is what it is. Or was, rather. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Keith Planck Lazerhawks 811	Posted - 2014.07.07 23:10:00 - [112] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Winthorp wrote: The Feuror wrote: I can admit that I was bitter they way Rolled Out was formed killed 2 good corps. I have been living bitterness free since it welped into HK and the fact that i calle it out and had you all deny it for a week or 2 was priceless to me.. My OP had nothing to do with rllo was just a general statement. I like how your bitter about stuff that was never any of your business EOL scrub. You act like you even knew what was going on in Sky let alone Rolled. You know nothing John Snow. Go crawl back under the rock you came out of. Winthorp is right. Feuror, when you made that thread it was just after we lost some of our main guys to nullsex. For a moment the corp's future was up in the air and it was announced internally that we may close. The feedback from all our guys after hearing this was pretty unanimous - we didn't want to close and we wanted to keep trying to make the corp work. It was about this time you made your thread saying that we'd imploded. So in fact the was no "denying" anything for a week or two. You were quite simply .. wrong. So we kept at it for some weeks, recruiting and trying to get good fights, until it was clear that it wasn't going anywhere fast, so the plug was eventually pulled, much to the dismay of many within the corp. But it is what it is. Or was, rather. All your characters look the same :( you've changed. Hold on to your butts.
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 12038	Posted - 2014.07.07 23:20:00 - [113] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: All your characters look the same :( you've changed. Yeah, I'm copping some serious heat for that. I though it was cool. Was quite happy with "Dusette Squad". But I'm getting a ton of negative feedback so I'mma change it up again asap, make everyone visit station and get a different look once more. How things going for you anyway? Having fun I hope! Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
CivilWars Into the Ether Nulli Secunda 95	Posted - 2014.07.08 00:02:00 - [114] - Quote Regardless of what type of space you fly in the following applies, at least for me. Ganking and/or curb stomping is only fun for so long, then it gets old. To me this doesn't matter which side of the engagement you are on. I enjoy mutually consensual PVP regardless of whether I win or lose. In my time in RLLO we did have a few fights where both us and our opposition said "we may lose this, but we are going in anyway", but they seemed few and far between. Most of the time it was either a case of people POSing up or rolling away, or telling us "hold on, we don't have much" then either dropping as many caps as we had DPS ships, or dropping 2+ times our fleet numbers. For me this seemed to get more and more common as things went on. Maybe it was just me, maybe it was just USTZ, or maybe it was happening to all of the corp, or even most of w-space. Based on many of the BRs, or lack thereof, I have seen both while in RLLO and since leaving I am leaning towards the latter, and that is a sad thing. It just seems there are maybe a half dozen groups that are willing to A) leave the safety of their home system, and B) engage when there isn't a 100% guarantee they will win. Until that number somehow increases, as much as I love w-space, I will live elsewhere. So, how do you make this content happen? I have no freaking clue, but I do know that people are motivated by either the opportunity for gain, or fear of loss. Maybe w-space does need to allow for the purge of the risk averse that always run/roll? Get Rolled Out
Sith1s Spectre Hard Knocks Inc. 1103	Posted - 2014.07.08 00:12:00 - [115] - Quote CivilWars wrote: Regardless of what type of space you fly in the following applies, at least for me. Ganking and/or curb stomping is only fun for so long, then it gets old. To me this doesn't matter which side of the engagement you are on. I enjoy mutually consensual PVP regardless of whether I win or lose. In my time in RLLO we did have a few fights where both us and our opposition said "we may lose this, but we are going in anyway", but they seemed few and far between. Most of the time it was either a case of people POSing up or rolling away, or telling us "hold on, we don't have much" then either dropping as many caps as we had DPS ships, or dropping 2+ times our fleet numbers. For me this seemed to get more and more common as things went on. Maybe it was just me, maybe it was just USTZ, or maybe it was happening to all of the corp, or even most of w-space. Based on many of the BRs, or lack thereof, I have seen both while in RLLO and since leaving I am leaning towards the latter, and that is a sad thing. It just seems there are maybe a half dozen groups that are willing to A) leave the safety of their home system, and B) engage when there isn't a 100% guarantee they will win. Until that number somehow increases, as much as I love w-space, I will live elsewhere. So, how do you make this content happen? I have no freaking clue, but I do know that people are motivated by either the opportunity for gain, or fear of loss. Maybe w-space does need to allow for the purge of the risk averse that always run/roll? Why are we still talking about this AU tz best tz
CivilWars Into the Ether Nulli Secunda 96	Posted - 2014.07.08 00:15:00 - [116] - Quote Sith1s Spectre wrote: CivilWars wrote: Regardless of what type of space you fly in the following applies, at least for me. Ganking and/or curb stomping is only fun for so long, then it gets old. To me this doesn't matter which side of the engagement you are on. I enjoy mutually consensual PVP regardless of whether I win or lose. In my time in RLLO we did have a few fights where both us and our opposition said "we may lose this, but we are going in anyway", but they seemed few and far between. Most of the time it was either a case of people POSing up or rolling away, or telling us "hold on, we don't have much" then either dropping as many caps as we had DPS ships, or dropping 2+ times our fleet numbers. For me this seemed to get more and more common as things went on. Maybe it was just me, maybe it was just USTZ, or maybe it was happening to all of the corp, or even most of w-space. Based on many of the BRs, or lack thereof, I have seen both while in RLLO and since leaving I am leaning towards the latter, and that is a sad thing. It just seems there are maybe a half dozen groups that are willing to A) leave the safety of their home system, and B) engage when there isn't a 100% guarantee they will win. Until that number somehow increases, as much as I love w-space, I will live elsewhere. So, how do you make this content happen? I have no freaking clue, but I do know that people are motivated by either the opportunity for gain, or fear of loss. Maybe w-space does need to allow for the purge of the risk averse that always run/roll? Why are we still talking about this Talking about what exactly? Why people are leaving w-space? I thought that was what the whole topic was about? Get Rolled Out
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 12065	Posted - 2014.07.08 00:25:00 - [117] - Quote Sith1s Spectre wrote: Why are we still talking about this About Rolo? Maybe because a lot of people took a great deal of pride and joy being a part of what you created. For some of us it's still a fond, positive and very relevant memory. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Meytal School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.07.08 13:26:00 - [118] - Quote Out of curiosity and not poking TOO hard at them, but why would you guys go to groups like HK when they can already field fleets larger than most other people, often more than some sorts have members? Is it to stay in C5/C6 space and there are fewer others doing that, and going lower is not an option? Is it safety in numbers? Something else?
CivilWars Into the Ether Nulli Secunda 96	Posted - 2014.07.08 15:26:00 - [119] - Quote Meytal wrote: Out of curiosity and not poking TOO hard at them, but why would you guys go to groups like HK when they can already field fleets larger than most other people, often more than some sorts have members? Is it to stay in C5/C6 space and there are fewer others doing that, and going lower is not an option? Is it safety in numbers? Something else? Because the School of Applied Knowledge wasn't recruiting at the time? Loading...
Alundil Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 581	Posted - 2014.07.08 15:27:00 - [120] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: Winthorp wrote: Keith Planck wrote: Keith Planck wrote: all you want to do is play the game in WH's it becomes attractive to join these groups as they get the fights you like being in, they have the organization in place, they offer stability and they have proven FC's. In the end its not always about safe and more about wanting to do WH's without the need to bang your head against a wall to play the game. cough See the difference is there is players like Keith here that do join groups for safety, he left us to join HK right when BU decided we were target number one and since he really loves to PVE he could no longer do that with us safely... To harsh? No fucks given. Can confirm this is exactly what happened, PVE is my #1 goal and therefore hard knocks was the obvious choice. Yes...the 26 days in HK obviously showed not enough PvP for you and so you moved on? Or perhaps I'm confused. System Occupancy Scanner - Deep Space Probes - Clones and Implants

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