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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
435
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Posted - 2014.06.28 06:26:00 -
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If wspace is dead, and we're in denial, I guess we'll have to do something about it! Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
435
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Posted - 2014.06.28 07:19:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Nice things about wormholes is that you don't need to live in wormholes to get wormhole content. Lowsec's nice for wormhole diving with how many pop up. Every other system seems to have some wormhole with someone waiting to be ganked. I believe that majority of wormholers would tell you exactly the reverse: one of the best things about permanently living inside a WH is that you can use it to access the entirety of New Eden simultaneously. We get significant portion of our kills from random nullsec (and to a lesser extent lowsec) regions. Curiously though, some "critics" give the impression that these kspace kills are "proof" of whs being dead, while in fact they are a direct result of wh awesomeness which allows you to travel from Jita to Delve in couple jumps, bypass intel, kill some **** and then hop to Tenal to hunt some more - so in some sense murdering nullbears IS a WH content, as only the wh mechanics allow us to do it in this manner. This is one of the greatest and most overlooked gifts of wspace that gives us essentially a mobile pirate base, as opposed to kspacers, who are pretty much stuck in one or two regions, fighting the same enemies in the same systems over and over again. W-Space Realtor |
Chitsa Jason
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
1264
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Posted - 2014.06.28 09:35:00 -
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quak quak..
All I have to say is **** content. Yeah **** it. I am here to have fun and not have content. Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
152
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Posted - 2014.06.28 10:44:00 -
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I doubt wormholes are really "dying", but I really think they deserve a good review by CCP, in terms of tweakings, more content (or something that enables more player created content)... They have almost not been touched since Apocrypha (excepting Sleeper AI improvements, ship rebalances...).
Some ideas I've seen are:
- Tweaking C4's for promoting their colonisation - Tweaking Black Holes' effects - Having Sleepers actively roam around - Reneweing POSes - Rebalancing T3 cruisers (we'll probably see that this year) - Eliminating the Oddysey scanner in wormholes, or just in all space
To which I add:
- Renewing W-space nebulae (giving them high definition maps while keeping their general theme) - Using the new Solar Flares on system effects - More music for W-space
Every change made should, no, must keep the general W-space theme of the unknown. |
Red Teufel
Drunk-n-Irate
379
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:15:00 -
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Soon as CCP adds personal ship hanger arrays WH space will be fat with targets, your sleeper salvage and gas prices will crash and soon everyone will be crying WH space is now too easy. If CCP intends to add something to WH space they need to tread lightly or else break WH space. When I lived in WH space I never really had high expectations to get fights there. Instead I used it for random entrances into 0.0 to pick fights. With the recent WH spawn changes in lowsec I now don't even need to live in WH space to get those convenient random entrances to 0.0. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen any noteable lowsec groups take advantage of this change. |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
393
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:53:00 -
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TL:DR Words!
Yo, Axloth ... Yes and No!
Yes you are right, Wormholers coming to Null is Wormhole stuff (hate the C word), but No to its not "bla bla"
Wormholes reaching out to Nullsec is something that wasn't a thing because "WORMHOLES" since people got better at it, people went out more, also more guys from the outside knew how to handle 0.0 so it became a mush. But it is still a replacement for the dull enviroment that has been Wormholes in general. Not talking about the fights .. HK v Noho Framing... EPIC!
But you gotta wonder if i choose Wormholes as the safe way out of VFK, where they boxed me in and tried combat scanning me, still i was safe and extracted via a c5 towards a c3 into low ... without AAANY interference...thanks chitsa
The 70%-80% dull + 15% Forcefielded + 5% actually fight worthy Enviroment is not really a "PvP Heaven", Yes you can go complete boncus but on the "Average" Level below 15 Players, its kinda "rough".
Not to sound butthurt, quite the opposite. Some of the most active Scanners i ve seen were in SUSU or BloJo, with up to 10 people actively seeking targets and crashing holes, but some times even then we had to admit defeat because of "reasons" or "numbers" but hell if chances were taken .. BOOOOM BOOOOM Love you long time...and again why does it have to be "IF" i always wanna take chances...
I'm happy that Wormholes is reaching more out to 0.0 (I ve seen quite a few guys around my current homesystem), because that means that People are having fun and are engaging PVP sooo YEEEAH. But it stil bugs me as to it is the fact that its rather a substitute than a choice because given the choice i would assume that people would rather fight in wormholes with EPICNESS then Roam in 0.0, although latest capital engagement would assume "no" but then again I ask you as someone that is chilling with his 10 Friends in a C5 and is barely able to do sites like most of the "upcoming" generations... [not that i m doing that but as a "Point of View"]
Don't missunderstand, I HEAVILY ENDORSE MEGA CORPS by now because they "negate" most of the "organisational" bullshit that makes so many people leave and more people can enjoy "FUN", still as a long term perspective the (GOGO GADGETTOSOCIOLOGY) segregational gap between "Small/Normal" and "Mega" needs a little bit more then just "adjustable" fleet sizes to be able to cultivate a healthy Wormholespace Community, where you can have a fight at every 2nd door and locals being more bitchy then just the usual minor "bullshid". Everything needs a Longinous Spear to the face.
Also with the loss of one of the Dramaqueens, stuff will get very dull in this forum.
But it's not or it shouldn't be an actuall community problem, which it isn't, it's a general development issue of Wormholes, where there is actually "No Incentive" of Defense and even if your stuff is getting sieged you rather choose the "safe" way and logout what you can, which is more than fair. So what would be an incentive to "get" people to PvP or have to fight without the worry of loosing EVERYTHING!
I would love to see CCP trying more with the ESS in Wormhole space, so you have some sort of "punishing/incentive" mechanic. If you dont defend your ESS no Sites for you.... or something...(with an anchoring / onlining timer of 3-4 days + 300m Cost)
Wormhole Space isn't dieing or bad or whatever, its still the best space kinda BUT it could be way better and way more thriving!
Being on the same level as low-sec activity wise is not an achievement, it's good but you are comparing yourself with something CCP has throwing patches at since ... "FOREVER, EvE 2nd Decade buy Collectors Edition Now"
What CCP never got was that unlike 0.0, High or Low, ONE Dude in Wormholes really could be a King in his Sandcastle....and a coloney was a force. (Take a day in Class 4 space they think they are PvP Gurus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsAUx_SQYGE - seemed fitting My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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G0hme
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
247
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:06:00 -
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*Adding Wspace credentials at the bottom to weed out the "PL knows nothing guys" *Still has a toon in one of the corps that have posted in this thread.
There is nothing wrong with Wspace in its current mechanical state.
But it's also the current state that is the problem. A couple of years ago there was infact a lot more action. Smaller more sporadic action, but still more. Why? Because friendships had not been established, capsuleers weren't at the end of the Technology Tree(been playing Civ5 lately) Players weren't settled in fortress built systems, a few of the big ones were, but not as today.
We saw the fall of CCRES - Rise of the Russian (Starbridge and bros) - NATO appeared to counter - AHARM vs Rook and Kings - Narwhals formed one of the biggest coalitions of that time "WH Domination" (which was stolen by Lead Farmers when coalition members realised they were being used to help Narwhals finish their merc contracts) That coalition ended as it became commonly knowns as the "Save Imperial Guardians-over-and-over Coalition) - We saw the behemoth size alliance of Talocan United take shape. We of course had the "AAA ARE GONNA TAKE OVER ALL C6/C5" scare, the "GOONS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER ALL C6/C5" scare, and obviously another "THE RUSSIAN ARE COMING". Ofc, there is a lot of other important events, but these were some of the more public ones.
This past bore the mark of less "big groups" where few of them knew eachother by more than at the end of eachothers crosshair. But as younger corps got bigger and everyone got multiple capitals in their systems, so came the rise of "WH Overlords" ground zero for the political cancer of Wormhole space.
WH Overlords was an ingame channel for the biggest and "most influential groups" in Wspace
Rather than what could have been a promising forum for Wspace to flourish, it ofcource became and circlejerk dickmeasuring roundtable and of course, the rise of Diplomat/Smoothtalker Herrbert (damn you all). That said, I didn't do anything to help the channel out myself, as my CEO told me not to aggravate anyone, so I spendt my time there leaking quotes to friend and foe.
The tendency to batphone people had ofcource, always existed, but it seemed to have been kept more locally. Quickly it turned into batphoning the ones that was not already on the other side of the table in that channel. (We even had someone ask for help in that channel while half of the representatives were already shooting their towers, so smart) But in essence, the political land scape was quickly mapped out by that channel.
Now is that a problem for wormhole space? Both yes and no, because all it really does, in the eyes of a grunt, is to dictate the size of the fleet you will be facing. But what happens when suddenly the political landscape changes so dramaticly that the end result is a NIP that dwarfs the one in Nullsec in terms of how it effects people. The home systems of larger entities these days are fat iskwise, that they are literally the VFKs of Nullsec. (Goons home capital for some of you cavemen) You wont leave it undefended, you rarely move to far away from it, and you sure as hell won't move it every other day. This is against the design of Wormhole Space as it was originally intended by CCP. (By the words of CCP, Fanfest 2011) We weren't suppose to settle down like this, so it that hard to figure out why Wspace have become more static than in the past? True, more isk is being destroyed than ever, but its not really that hard hitting 100b destroyed, when a dead dreadnaught can easily cover 10% of that. Yes, ships are much more expensive these days than a few years ago.
A mantra between the older wormhole pilots has been always been. Don't evict pvp entities. Which in essence is great, but it doesn't quite factor in boredom. Lead Farmers, despiced invasions/evictions, but we did it aswell if we were bored enough. Because its Wspace Content. It was never about financial gain, it was ever only for killmails. SSC was always invited, regardless of their horrible bookmark naming convention, because they were best bros, and some of them were great guys to spend an evening with.
So what am I rambling on about?
Wspace is okay in its current state, its probably pretty healthy in terms of population. But it can't become more either. Because we the players made it what it is.
Is it optimal? no. Is it exciting? no. Does it make you better pilots, than the F1 monkeys you claim NS'ers to be? Hell, no. Is it the dream? God, no.
Now could it become more?
Personally I do not think so. Not unless Wspace is radically changed for good. We're talking, no towers, no permanent home, no capitals sort of changes. The T3 meta needs to change completely. There are a lot of quality ships out there that would be amazing to use in the unique Wspace environment, but you are all missing out. Anything less than that will fall short of creating a more dynamic and fun Wspace.
WSpace Credentials : C1-C3-C5 corp from Apocrypha release 2 years with Lead Farmers as Senior Director responsible for Alliance wide PVP/Tactics/Theory Head FC of the Disawoved dunk in Lead Farmers home. Shook Eelm's hand. .end swag Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012 Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013
Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space. |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
41
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:24:00 -
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Sleepersalvage will crash more than it already has? Has anyone seen C4 space lately? Full of multiboxers and carrierratters, but they only do their sites once every week or two, so it-¦s way too random to try to get content from them. Esp since CCP made carebearing easier and easier. A huge chunk of kills by wormholers already are via k-space connections. Look at the notable WH corps thread. How many really new names are on there two years later? If the list was up to date it would probably be almost 1/3 shorter than it was in 2012.
So often I get asked if it is worthwhile to come back to eve and j-space atm. With a bit less time than they used to have. And all I can tell them is "the way we used to play is dead and you get way less fun out of wormholes nowadays. But there are easy and fast kills to be had in lowsec and there is alot of industrystuff coming." "But I love my wormholespace." "Sorry"
I-¦ll quit my rambling now. |
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
80
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:12:00 -
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This is written before reading pretty much anything in thread. Random ramblings on stuff.
To me, as someone in the lower WH's, the big change is that we're loosing the "middle". WH's used to have all types and all comers in here. As I said ages ago on a thread, you go into any WH and see something different. Miners, Pi Runners, Reaction Bears, Sleeper site runners. Solo Hunters, Micro Gangs, Small Gangs, actual scary big fleets. The works. Most groups were a mix of all of these. The Middle.
Slowly over time we're loosing a lot of these. Partially because of CCP changes, partially because of life. Groups tend to be all in POS or all out of POS these days. Many smaller groups have merged into larger ones.
Since CCP changed gravs into green anomalies over red signatures, WH mining has been dead. It was by far the most dangerous activity in EVE beforehand, now it's just guaranteed suicide. This MUST be reversed and ideally they should ahvea bit harder sig to scan than previous.
The Discovery Scanner means anyone can run home before you've even landed on grid with the static WH. Any anomaly with 0% should not show (just like if it's been ignored, functionality is already there) in the scan window. Make it W space only so the K spacers don't cry.
PI runners for some reason don't seem to exist anymore, except in large Pi Corps. AMC.WHD has at least 20 PI characters I've seen over the last couple of days, just sayin...
Warp Stabbed Epithals are killing the bread and butter of Solo Hunters. Those kinds of kills may be cheap and easy, but they sustain you between the bigger ones. Maybe if Warp Stabs hurt align or something. Punishing their lock time and range is pretty pointless for haulers.
As groups merge, blue up and move in together, the opportunities for micro and small gang reduce. No one is going to whelp 3-8 guys into a big fleet and this tends to annoy all involved. The larger groups tend to force people to either blue up or pos up, thus perpetuating the cycle. If you're in a larger group, go split off into a smaller one elsewhere. A 1v5 fight is potentially possible to get something out of. A 10v50 isn't.
A sleeper loot rebalance would be nice. Personally I think most isk in C1/2's WH's should come from blues, about 50/50 for C3/4's and most from salvage for the c5/6'ers. If it's more market based for the escalations, then the farmers should end up doing what they do in FW, leave as it's not good isk anymore.
Also a replacement for no NPC api data (which is good) should be that all sleeper sites for the next 2-3 days spawn a white warpable anomaly. Doesn't have anything in it, just another place to warp and fight at, plus gives some vague idea over activity in the WH. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
644
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:22:00 -
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Thanks Gohme or that awesome read. Also, PL got probably more farming alts in whs than dedicated pvp-ers are in them, and then add the BL-alts, the RAZOR alts, HYDRA and so on... <.< "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
435
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:31:00 -
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Quote: Smaller more sporadic action, but still more. I believe thats an oxymoron.
But I agree that wspace has become "mature" and it has lost some of the raw excitement of its first years. Therefore some environmental shake-up to loosen up the current established structure and let people build a new one would be nice. But thats for CCP.
However I dont think that diplomacy is preventing conflict - it just makes it more risky. There is higher number of strong corps and they field bigger fleets. So sieges get bigger as a consequence with all the good and bad that comes from it. Just recently wspace was on a brink of potentially massive conflict - we consciously pulled back and deescalated. Was it a mistake? Who knows... But not so long ago we had some massive fleets clashing in then LeadFarmers home and it was not fun for many a participant. Huge wars sound way more exciting when you look back at them in history than when you actually have to spend 72 hours watching a hole wobble...
btw I find it wonderful that the most vocal ones and with the longest posts about this are often burnt-out ex-wormholers who now fly for large nullsec blocs, as it shows that you still care about our little nook of eve. W-Space Realtor |
Proclus Diadochu
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1785
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:03:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:btw I find it wonderful that the most vocal ones and with the longest posts about this are often burnt-out ex-wormholers who now fly for large nullsec blocs, as it shows that you still care about our little nook of eve. Well, I think you are right on the money with this point. Only speaking for myself, I'd say regardless of where I'm playing the game, I still argue wormholes have had some of the best stories and adventures, and have provided most of my favorite memories playing this game.
So, we can say that wormholes are still actively providing content for many players. I recently acquired access to some old CCRES mails and am going through their last days, and it is really cool. Although my last few years playing with wormholes, growing from a small nothing corp/alliance playing in low class wormholes to having the opportunity to participate in the higher class wormholes, the politics, the trolling, evictions, and wars have been a blast. So, looking back at all of that, I absolutely still care about the direction of the gameplay.
Believe it or not, I'm not really a super troll or drama"king" that only wants to enjoy content for myself and yank on Lazerhawks' collective chain for lols... I want other wormhole prospects and rising stars to enjoy the same fun I enjoyed, and I also want new and gifted forum gurus to rise up and stir up drama for overall enjoyment of everyone. I get that some people don't like that kind of fun, and some people are sensitive regarding it. Those people don't have to read the forums... Easy fix :)
My hope is that groups are replacing the ones that are leaving and that new people find the fun that was once there for some of us. I think that today's wormholes with various changes that CCP made for the overall game (Discovery Scanner/API/and such) are things that are making the wormhole experience very different, much like how the 3rd Party Mappers, Deployables, PCHA, and Corp Bookmarks made it different from when I started in wormholes. Quite a few wormholers don't know what it was like before Siggy, and that's cool, but for those of us that do remember, it's a very very different experience.
What G0hme said about inflation helping the increase in ISK efficiency of wormhole PVP is also important to note. Wormholes are changing and perhaps it only seems to be dying as we have reached the end of our current tech tree and experienced everything we could at this current level, became bored and see friends and foes leaving leading some to think things are going in a declining direction. WHoverlords dying was something of note, but like the cycle was replaced with a new channel with different rules and people. And as you said it would be nice to shake the structure loose again. No idea really how to do that, but would be nice. **Irrelevant-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
397
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:38:00 -
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Radical changes? Hmmm
Easy: Death to Static Remove Moons More Dynamic Wormholes Remove Self Destruct within a forcefield (HUGE Incentive for Loot pinatas)
My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
435
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:43:00 -
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It's always a struggle about accessibility of wspace. One the one hand, it would be nice to keep wspace unknown, exciting and very hostile to retain the thrill of the days long gone. On the other hand, it nice to have it populated, so you actually come across people to shoot. Its nigh impossible to have it both ways. And I remember days before corp bookmarks... it was not good. The excitement of being the explorer doesnt last that long...
Most CCP changes were geared towards making wspace more "welcoming" (except API changes) and I kinda agree with that... with some exceptions. I think corp BMs and Odyssey were the big changes, rest didnt have that much impact. So I really dont think we are currently living through any notable change (BU probably think otherwise tho). Its just a regular ebb and flow of wh community, peeps come and go as they always have.
Regarding the shake-up, I think the ball is with CCP. And short of any major changes from their side (the alleged "new space"?), all we are left with is some massive holy war and even that would probably be just temporary reshuffle until the dust settles. W-Space Realtor |
calaretu
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
119
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:47:00 -
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Posting in a thread about how everything was better in the old days ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Proclus Diadochu
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1787
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:49:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Radical changes? Hmmm
Easy: Death to Static Remove Moons More Dynamic Wormholes Remove Self Destruct within a forcefield (HUGE Incentive for Loot pinatas)
Did you see the shitstorm I stirred up on Reddit pushing Axloth's Dual-Static C4 idea as the "C4 Super Highway"? It was simply wonderful for a thread, but so many hated it. You're right though, we should do more dynamic as that as it would radically change things.
Also, I agree 100% that SD in POS's should be removed. I've always hated that mechanic.
Death to Statics and Removing Moons might be too much though. In my opinion. **Irrelevant-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
341
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:51:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:quak quak..
All I have to say is **** content. Yeah **** it. I am here to have fun and not have content.
wat?
How do you have fun without content? Is your definition of fun logging into comms? Blue-Fire Best Fire |
calaretu
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
119
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:52:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote: Also, I agree 100% that SD in POS's should be removed. I've always hated that mechanic. .
They already say they want to remove entire forcefield. Think this will happen in the same bag :) Tho never underestimate the power of loot denial ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
398
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:53:00 -
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SD in POS is not a bad mechanic, infact it has done more good then harm coming to think of it, with it rendering Sieges completly "non-profitable" compared to the ships that get destroyed.
But in that Sense enabling this Mechanic would also make EVERYONE a blooooody Loot Piniata and some other folks may peak waaaay to much interest. My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Proclus Diadochu
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1787
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:56:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:SD in POS is not a bad mechanic, infact it has done more good then harm coming to think of it, with it rendering Sieges completly "non-profitable" compared to the ships that get destroyed.
But in that Sense enabling this Mechanic would also make EVERYONE a blooooody Loot Piniata and some other folks may peak waaaay to much interest. We are talking "RADICAL" here. **Irrelevant-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
436
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:56:00 -
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Don't yank my chains, bro. I need those. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
398
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Posted - 2014.06.28 18:00:00 -
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Okay "Add NO SD in FF" but Remove Capitals, pushing more for a team based approach regarding main Wormhole Mechanics (Sieging, Rolling and Hole control)
Of course you still can build as many Capitals as you want but for anything else Class 4 Laws are in effect.
But that would take away Dropping into Null ... soo yoink My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Proclus Diadochu
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1787
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Posted - 2014.06.28 18:03:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Okay "Add NO SD in FF" but Remove Capitals, pushing more for a team based approach regarding main Wormhole Mechanics (Sieging, Rolling and Hole control) I'll counter with "Add NO SD in FF", keep Capitals, give POS's a better defense game against sieging. There's your minigame :P **Irrelevant-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
398
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Posted - 2014.06.28 18:05:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:HerrBert wrote:Okay "Add NO SD in FF" but Remove Capitals, pushing more for a team based approach regarding main Wormhole Mechanics (Sieging, Rolling and Hole control) I'll counter with "Add NO SD in FF", keep Capitals, give POS's a better defense game against sieging. There's your minigame :P
Dota as Pos Defense.
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN WORMHOLE SPACE HAS BEEN FIXED
My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... The Pontiff of Wormholes --áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
435
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Posted - 2014.06.28 19:35:00 -
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add hats W-Space Realtor |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
336
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Posted - 2014.06.28 20:00:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Nice things about wormholes is that you don't need to live in wormholes to get wormhole content. Lowsec's nice for wormhole diving with how many pop up. Every other system seems to have some wormhole with someone waiting to be ganked. I believe that majority of wormholers would tell you exactly the reverse: one of the best things about permanently living inside a WH is that you can use it to access the entirety of New Eden simultaneously. We get significant portion of our kills from random nullsec (and to a lesser extent lowsec) regions. Curiously though, some "critics" give the impression that these kspace kills are "proof" of whs being dead, while in fact they are a direct result of wh awesomeness which allows you to travel from Jita to Delve in couple jumps, bypass intel, kill some **** and then hop to Tenal to hunt some more - so in some sense murdering nullbears IS a WH content, as only the wh mechanics allow us to do it in this manner. This is one of the greatest and most overlooked gifts of wspace that gives us essentially a mobile pirate base, as opposed to kspacers, who are pretty much stuck in one or two regions, fighting the same enemies in the same systems over and over again.
You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that. Consider Khanid/Kor-Azor for rent-á/Hades Effect Recruitment |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
644
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Posted - 2014.06.28 20:13:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Nice things about wormholes is that you don't need to live in wormholes to get wormhole content. Lowsec's nice for wormhole diving with how many pop up. Every other system seems to have some wormhole with someone waiting to be ganked. I believe that majority of wormholers would tell you exactly the reverse: one of the best things about permanently living inside a WH is that you can use it to access the entirety of New Eden simultaneously. We get significant portion of our kills from random nullsec (and to a lesser extent lowsec) regions. Curiously though, some "critics" give the impression that these kspace kills are "proof" of whs being dead, while in fact they are a direct result of wh awesomeness which allows you to travel from Jita to Delve in couple jumps, bypass intel, kill some **** and then hop to Tenal to hunt some more - so in some sense murdering nullbears IS a WH content, as only the wh mechanics allow us to do it in this manner. This is one of the greatest and most overlooked gifts of wspace that gives us essentially a mobile pirate base, as opposed to kspacers, who are pretty much stuck in one or two regions, fighting the same enemies in the same systems over and over again. You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that.
The guy living out of an Orca's SMB is the true king
Wish they would've given the paladin a SMB and a refit service, would've been the coolest c2-archon you could've taken along. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.28 20:18:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that. That is correct in theory. I'd like to see a kspace group that is actually successfully doing that, though.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.06.28 21:29:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:You don't need to LIVE in a wormhole to do that. That is correct in theory. I'd like to see a kspace group that is actually successfully doing that, though.
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.28 23:38:00 -
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G0hme wrote:
... Not unless Wspace is radically changed for good. We're talking, no towers, no permanent home, no capitals sort of changes. .
Each type of space ends up being what the players are making of it, with the rules sets by CCP. W-space had its pioneers, and is now in a settlement phase. There is no point in changing that...
instead, CCP should create new space type where they can introduce these concepts. I would totally see a Z-space for example which would not allow permanent settlements...
Changing the current rules of the various spaces is not the way to go (except for SOV rules in general but just to make sov grinding more entertaining)
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
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