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Rozips
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Posted - 2006.06.22 17:53:00 -
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'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back
to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest
and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time?
-Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 17:58:00 -
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It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:04:00 -
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I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Gunsnroses
I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
No, its about how willing one is to blow 10s of billions on faction equipment. Everyone has the ISK, its more an issue about how willing one is to waste it all.
A gist-boosted Navy Raven with a crystal set, combined with a gist-boosted Eagle, for example... 
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
Faction/deadspace/officer mods are banned. Ships aren't.
The biggest problem with it IMO are implants: as poddings are disallowed, there is no risk inherent in using them, and of course, crystals are uber 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
Faction/deadspace/officer mods are banned. Ships aren't.
The biggest problem with it IMO are implants: as poddings are disallowed, there is no risk inherent in using them, and of course, crystals are uber
Didn't know that: it makes more sense that way. Otherwise you'd have a bunch of Estemel's/Chelm's/Dracilira's setups.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Beringe
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:12:00 -
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Just nerf the bloody pirate implants and all will be well.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rozips
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
ask Chelsea
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Amerame
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:29:00 -
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You need 20-40B worth of equipement to stand a chance, it's just too much trouble.
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Femme LaNoir
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Femme LaNoir on 22/06/2006 18:31:09
Originally by: Flyyn
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor
The americans would lose due to all the handballs.
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:54:00 -
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Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:22:00 -
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This is about alliance Power, and who is willing to show the power they have.
Plus did you see the first place prize? ......
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Clone jump perhaps? lol...
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:34:00 -
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If you can't afford a faction bs then the alliance is pretty poor 
And for the USA coment.. coaching is more important than pro players 
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:00:00 -
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I think 1 and 2 left a bad taste in some people's mouths (especially people that competed last time), and 3 discouraged many.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
or ships 
It would be easy to move things around though, or to force the players into an implant-free clone to compete.
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:17:00 -
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As it's been stated - ISK wins, hands down. Why bother having such a competition anyway? Just see who can pony up the fattest wallet and hand over the winnings straightaway.
Otherwise - more free ships for BoB, who will show up in 100% faction ships w/ best allowable modules available anywhere. Oh, and top tier implant sets for every pilot.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Clone jump perhaps? lol...
Common sense 1
Bhaal 0
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nox Solaris
As it's been stated - ISK wins, hands down. Why bother having such a competition anyway? Just see who can pony up the fattest wallet and hand over the winnings straightaway.
Otherwise - more free ships for BoB, who will show up in 100% faction ships w/ best allowable modules available anywhere. Oh, and top tier implant sets for every pilot.
because no-one else can afford that. Also, everyone has the god-given ability to choose the right setups/races for the situation and have equallty skilled pilots, right?
The people who say combat in eve is skill-less are totally wrong, and genearlly those who suck
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Bluestealth
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Posted - 2006.06.22 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
Thats a great idea, then just seed the market like the test server.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.22 23:36:00 -
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No need championship. Already have a winner. BoB. 
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.23 00:02:00 -
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It's not all about isk at all. For the record, all faction modules are banned. All tech 2 ammo is banned. ECM is banned.
You know what happens when you take away the isk factor (faction), the hax factor (t2 ammo, missiles especially), and the ghey factor (ecm)?
All you're left with is pure skill. Billions upon billions if faction modules vanish into the ether every day because mission runners get pirated, or pvpers accidently jump into a fleet. As any pvper worth his salt knows, isk and skillpoints are worthless without intelligence and tactics.
Intelligence and tactics are what win wars, auctions, and alliance tournaments. I suggest you ponder this thought before replying.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 23/06/2006 02:20:40
Ok lets ban all t2 ships, equipment and use jump clones. There, now everyone will be on a level playing field, and able to enter. No deterence and it will be a total skill game. I'd enter that tournament. Right now its just an ecuse for the rich to crow abou thier 'skill' and for people to bankrupt themselves to use ships they are unfamiliar with in order to have an illusionary 'chance'. Frankly they can take a spin on this.  And I'm sure most people looked at it and felt the same.
Can't see Bob entering my kind of skill tournament though. Can you?
Ph and I fear the Irish rugby team far more than a bunch of teenagers running around an american fooball pitch wearing kevlar armour
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:29:00 -
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Removing faction jobbies is a good start, but to be honest i'd be happy seeing smaller level tournaments... frigs and cruisers and the like.
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ab Initio on 23/06/2006 02:34:31
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Ok lets ban all t2 ships, equipment and use jump clones. There, now everyone will be on a level playing field, and able to enter. No deterence and it will be a total skill game. I'd enter that tournament. Right now its just an ecuse for the rich to crow abou thier 'skill' and for people to bankrupt themselves to use ships they are unfamiliar with in order to have an illusionary 'chance'. Frankly they can take a spin on this. And I'm sure most people looked at it and felt the same.
Can't see Bob entering my kind of skill tournament though. Can you?
Purely out of interest, if anyone else had of one the tournament, would it have remained a test of skill? As soon as BoB walked away with the win, it immediately became "all about the isk".
* BoB weren't flying the only faction BS in the tournament.
* BoB weren't using the only faction gear in the tournament.
* I dare say that more than one person had implants.
* If your alliance can't get together the isk for a faction BS.. well..
If you weren't talking out you're ass, you would also be aware of the tactics that both teams that made it to the final battle were using, and why one came out on top.
I personally like the idea of a tourny based on pure skill, but tbh, what would be the point, anytime BoB comes out on top of anything, it's because we're all rich / GMs anyway.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:35:00 -
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Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
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