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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:23:56
 Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back
to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest
and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time?
-Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
Oh, and smartbombs were never ruled out afaik, even after the accidental podding. So like, what modules were outlawed? Make sure you aren't confusing this with the fanfest tournament, where EW was finally outlawed in the final bracket matches.
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:45:00 -
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To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
So every player in the World Cup is of equal skill? 
Looks to me as if everybody is fighting under the same rules, unjust or not. They all have an equal chance of winning aswell, wits play into it a lot more than money or skillpoints.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
Ridiculous whines like this really DO NOT deserve replies...
Having said that, I thinks its obvious that people like this (many of which appear to play EVE) would not be happy no matter what the rules of the championship were.
They'd complain about not getting an equal amount of sleep, or that the tournament was in the middle of their tea time, or that every fleet commander must have a screaming infant on their lap while commanding their team in battle.
Most of the people creating these whine threads realize they don't have the skill necessary to be competitive...
1) No faction loot is used in the PVP Championship...
2) There is no podding so your implants are not at risk...
So there you have it, its CHEAP & LITTLE RISK is involved, OTHER THAN LOSING FACE WHEN U GET PWNED!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
Ridiculous whines like this really DO NOT deserve replies...
Having said that, I thinks its obvious that people like this (many of which appear to play EVE) would not be happy no matter what the rules of the championship were.
They'd complain about not getting an equal amount of sleep, or that the tournament was in the middle of their tea time, or that every fleet commander must have a screaming infant on their lap while commanding their team in battle.
Most of the people creating these whine threads realize they don't have the skill necessary to be competitive...
1) No faction loot is used in the PVP Championship...
2) There is no podding so your implants are not at risk...
So there you have it, its CHEAP & LITTLE RISK is involved, OTHER THAN LOSING FACE WHEN U GET PWNED!
Its a fail!
I didnt whine about anything you retard, just presenting Truth to those wanting to know why nobody gives a flip about these "tournaments" as you like to call them.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.06.25 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Flyyn
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor 
I have a better idea. Get your American football team to remove their wussy quasi armor and go up against the All Blacks.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.25 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Denrace
Yet another crap event to shaft anyone with less than 30Mill skillpoints and 10 billion isk...
Where are the events for normal players?
Den
Like the riddle thing a month or 2 back?
shush, facts have no place among whines
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2006.06.25 07:33:00 -
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they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved.
-AS |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2006.06.25 10:23:00 -
[69]
at Trev, Raem and Hippo
How dare you make me giggle at breakfast, how dare you!!! 
I wish to reclaim the loss of my cup of coffee too
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:42:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Lianhaun
at Trev, Raem and Hippo
How dare you make me giggle at breakfast, how dare you!!!
I wish to reclaim the loss of my cup of coffee too
Bill Dark Shikari
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
Its a fail!
I didnt whine about anything you retard, just presenting Truth to those wanting to know why nobody gives a flip about these "tournaments" as you like to call them.
Truth is that those who "don't give a flip" about these tournaments would never loose their time posting in this thread to start with.
Next time think a bit before defining somebody "retard", you genius
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
omg how can you evevn belive what you are writing
if that were the rules the tourny would suck so much no one would enter
what you just posted is just straight bullcrap
if you really think a tourney should be fair in terms of skills you should consider Hello Kitty Online as your new MMO
You Will Cry My Name
Funny Guys
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:33:00 -
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In my opinion they should let every team get a number of points to spend on a load out. Like 10 points and 4 people in the gang. Faction/Officer/COSMOS modules not allowed, only regular T1 and T2 stuff. Capital ships also not allowed.
Battleship = 4 points
Cruiser = 3 points
Frigate/Destroyer = 1 point
Tech 2 stuff = T1 equivalent point cost + 1 (so a HAC will be 3+1)
That way there will be a major strategic element to the gangs people put together. And if you want two Battleships or HACs in the gang the rest of the gang has to be in t1 frigs/destroyers :P
Those numbers are just an example on my part how it could work. some balance would of course be needed.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:41:00 -
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To be honest, people should stop coming up with reasons to fall back on in case they don't win, and just have fun. Should be a good tournament if everyone stops complaining long enough to actually shoot at each other.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:55:00 -
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This isn't bumfight =/
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:44:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Levin Cavil on 26/06/2006 06:47:04
Originally by: Femme LaNoir
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
Rugby is not american football. A rugby player would die playing American football without pads/helmet.
As an American I'd rather watch rugby than American football but please get your facts straight.
/me wonders what the topic was...
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:56:00 -
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Why win a mothership when you can build one with less hassle.
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Merrick Solipsus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:51:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Merrick Solipsus on 26/06/2006 11:53:35
Quote:
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup
WTH does football have to do with the soccer world cup!? 
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:03:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 26/06/2006 12:06:01
Originally by: Liet Traep
Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
This is wrong. Shield transfers, remote armor reps, energy transfers and drone counterparts were USED IN THE FINAL FIGHT BETWEEN THE R0CK AND BOB.
NBSI lost to a nublet strategy and lag. Thing is, R0CK was also affected by module lag. All this whining from NBSI has achieved is make them look like fkn idiots that can't take a loss lying down.
Also, I have never heard of CCP being able to shut down global usage of any module type in a system. In fact, if they could have done so, they wouldn't have had to scan each ship and go over individual setups.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:10:00 -
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Raem is right, shield transfer modules and drones were never banned, and indeed I seriously doubt CCP had the tools available to setup a no shield transfer zone at that time with no advance notice.
My best guess as to what happened was that things went out of synch for NBSI and what you wanted to remote rep was out of range while showing as being well within range.
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
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captian jackharkness
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Novarei
Why win a mothership when you can build one with less hassle.
BOB send the MC after you if you do that
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:14:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Edited by: Merrick Solipsus on 26/06/2006 11:53:35
Quote:
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup
WTH does football have to do with the soccer world cup!?
Because the rest of the civilized world calls soccer "football". It's just you barbaric yanks that call it soccer.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:14:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Liet Traep
Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
Yes, that is correct, you lost because CCP WANTED YOU TO LOSE. Or alternatively, you could consider the EULA you agreed to, that states the quality of the game may vary, since CCP can;t control the internet.
Bad things happened, lag was felt, people died. Perhaps if the lag wasn't there you might have won. But to be blunt, its like arguing against wet roads in Formula 1 racing, or a storm during a footbal match. Both sides suffered, your tactic was the less resiliant one, and as a result, you lost.
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niko86
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:15:00 -
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I say good luck to all the alliances 
The team with the best tactics execution of those will win. If thats BOB who cares, but they going to be under more pressure to win than any other team, as everyones expectations of them are so high.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:26:00 -
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I know why i'm not interested.
Crystal implants = your team wins.
It was a contest of how much officer/complex stuff you could buy last time imo.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:35:00 -
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"they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved."
... it's _alliance_ tournament that's been scheduled months in advance, not some random spur-of-moment bar fight of three drunkards in Bum**** Backwater, Nowhere. Last i checked it costed significant isk to even _form_ an alliance, so why all the whine how "omg you need isk to compete please CCP let us duke it out in Ibises, that'd be real skill"..? --;;
Part of skill is being able to work with what you have to best effect. Not whine how unfair it is to force you make the same effort others are actually willing to make.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:42:00 -
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Why dont they just host the damn thing on SISI so everyone can compete, not just the people with the fattest wallets?
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Raem is right, shield transfer modules and drones were never banned, and indeed I seriously doubt CCP had the tools available to setup a no shield transfer zone at that time with no advance notice.
My best guess as to what happened was that things went out of synch for NBSI and what you wanted to remote rep was out of range while showing as being well within range.
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
I was on vent listening to the team when the match started and heard them complaining that their shield transfer modules didn't work. I was still on vent when DJ Lightning got the bewildered excuse from the gm with the offer of redoing the match. I'm not flaming you guys in the Rock. But NBSI's modules didn't work in that fight and their strategy was based off of it. I don't know what happened since my team which had been doing well up until that point got screwed by a cluster****. After that I didn't give a damn any more.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Also note that the organizers always ASSUMED THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE RULES AT ANY TIME. Listen to that, it's important; it means that all participants were supposed to be aware of the FACT that organizers could, if they saw need to do so, change rules, allowed equipment lists and other things at any time.
And that, more than anything, is why I'm utterly disinterested.
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