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Rozips
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Posted - 2006.06.22 17:53:00 -
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'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back
to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest
and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time?
-Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 17:58:00 -
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It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:04:00 -
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I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Gunsnroses
I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
No, its about how willing one is to blow 10s of billions on faction equipment. Everyone has the ISK, its more an issue about how willing one is to waste it all.
A gist-boosted Navy Raven with a crystal set, combined with a gist-boosted Eagle, for example... 
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
Faction/deadspace/officer mods are banned. Ships aren't.
The biggest problem with it IMO are implants: as poddings are disallowed, there is no risk inherent in using them, and of course, crystals are uber 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It would be much more interesting, IMO, if they banned faction/officer/COSMOS items/ships and pirate implants.
It would eliminate the ISK factor.
Faction/deadspace/officer mods are banned. Ships aren't.
The biggest problem with it IMO are implants: as poddings are disallowed, there is no risk inherent in using them, and of course, crystals are uber
Didn't know that: it makes more sense that way. Otherwise you'd have a bunch of Estemel's/Chelm's/Dracilira's setups.
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:12:00 -
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Just nerf the bloody pirate implants and all will be well.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rozips
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
ask Chelsea
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Amerame
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:29:00 -
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You need 20-40B worth of equipement to stand a chance, it's just too much trouble.
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Femme LaNoir
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Femme LaNoir on 22/06/2006 18:31:09
Originally by: Flyyn
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Rozips
[b]Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
the US got spanked by Ghana and wont even make it out of their group :)
there goes how much your argument were worth.
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor
The americans would lose due to all the handballs.
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.06.22 18:54:00 -
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Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:22:00 -
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This is about alliance Power, and who is willing to show the power they have.
Plus did you see the first place prize? ......
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Clone jump perhaps? lol...
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:34:00 -
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If you can't afford a faction bs then the alliance is pretty poor 
And for the USA coment.. coaching is more important than pro players 
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:00:00 -
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I think 1 and 2 left a bad taste in some people's mouths (especially people that competed last time), and 3 discouraged many.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
or ships 
It would be easy to move things around though, or to force the players into an implant-free clone to compete.
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:17:00 -
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As it's been stated - ISK wins, hands down. Why bother having such a competition anyway? Just see who can pony up the fattest wallet and hand over the winnings straightaway.
Otherwise - more free ships for BoB, who will show up in 100% faction ships w/ best allowable modules available anywhere. Oh, and top tier implant sets for every pilot.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Clone jump perhaps? lol...
Common sense 1
Bhaal 0
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.22 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nox Solaris
As it's been stated - ISK wins, hands down. Why bother having such a competition anyway? Just see who can pony up the fattest wallet and hand over the winnings straightaway.
Otherwise - more free ships for BoB, who will show up in 100% faction ships w/ best allowable modules available anywhere. Oh, and top tier implant sets for every pilot.
because no-one else can afford that. Also, everyone has the god-given ability to choose the right setups/races for the situation and have equallty skilled pilots, right?
The people who say combat in eve is skill-less are totally wrong, and genearlly those who suck
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Bluestealth
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Posted - 2006.06.22 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Bhaal
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Simple, rather than teleporting pilots make them Jump Clone to Polaris. Tada, insta no implants.
Thats a great idea, then just seed the market like the test server.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.22 23:36:00 -
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No need championship. Already have a winner. BoB. 
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.23 00:02:00 -
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It's not all about isk at all. For the record, all faction modules are banned. All tech 2 ammo is banned. ECM is banned.
You know what happens when you take away the isk factor (faction), the hax factor (t2 ammo, missiles especially), and the ghey factor (ecm)?
All you're left with is pure skill. Billions upon billions if faction modules vanish into the ether every day because mission runners get pirated, or pvpers accidently jump into a fleet. As any pvper worth his salt knows, isk and skillpoints are worthless without intelligence and tactics.
Intelligence and tactics are what win wars, auctions, and alliance tournaments. I suggest you ponder this thought before replying.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 23/06/2006 02:20:40
Ok lets ban all t2 ships, equipment and use jump clones. There, now everyone will be on a level playing field, and able to enter. No deterence and it will be a total skill game. I'd enter that tournament. Right now its just an ecuse for the rich to crow abou thier 'skill' and for people to bankrupt themselves to use ships they are unfamiliar with in order to have an illusionary 'chance'. Frankly they can take a spin on this.  And I'm sure most people looked at it and felt the same.
Can't see Bob entering my kind of skill tournament though. Can you?
Ph and I fear the Irish rugby team far more than a bunch of teenagers running around an american fooball pitch wearing kevlar armour
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:29:00 -
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Removing faction jobbies is a good start, but to be honest i'd be happy seeing smaller level tournaments... frigs and cruisers and the like.
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ab Initio on 23/06/2006 02:34:31
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Ok lets ban all t2 ships, equipment and use jump clones. There, now everyone will be on a level playing field, and able to enter. No deterence and it will be a total skill game. I'd enter that tournament. Right now its just an ecuse for the rich to crow abou thier 'skill' and for people to bankrupt themselves to use ships they are unfamiliar with in order to have an illusionary 'chance'. Frankly they can take a spin on this. And I'm sure most people looked at it and felt the same.
Can't see Bob entering my kind of skill tournament though. Can you?
Purely out of interest, if anyone else had of one the tournament, would it have remained a test of skill? As soon as BoB walked away with the win, it immediately became "all about the isk".
* BoB weren't flying the only faction BS in the tournament.
* BoB weren't using the only faction gear in the tournament.
* I dare say that more than one person had implants.
* If your alliance can't get together the isk for a faction BS.. well..
If you weren't talking out you're ass, you would also be aware of the tactics that both teams that made it to the final battle were using, and why one came out on top.
I personally like the idea of a tourny based on pure skill, but tbh, what would be the point, anytime BoB comes out on top of anything, it's because we're all rich / GMs anyway.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:35:00 -
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Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
Hook, line and sinker
On a more friendly note. Faction gear gives you an 'edge', but the only time that edge is useful is when the two parties are allready on even footing.
A nub with a Gist X-Type, is still a nub.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
* BoB weren't using the only faction gear in the tournament.
While I agree with the spirit and gist of your post, nobody was using faction gear in that tournament, seeing as it was banned and all.
On another note, wow at the ignorance and rampant stupidity displayed by many people in this thread.
Skill and Tactics are the biggest factor in this tournament.
ISK and skillpoints factor in, but they are not nearly as important.
<- FACT OK
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:14:00 -
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Well cant talk for anyone, but I'll be on holiday for the next 2 months.. its summer FFS, sun is shining and all
CCP you have a very bad sense of timining, had to be said...
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
While I agree with the spirit and gist of your post, nobody was using faction gear in that tournament, seeing as it was banned and all.
That'll teach me for whorum foring in between calls at work
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Femme LaNoir
The americans would lose due to all the handballs.
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
when you're right, you're right
though there are some rugby leagues here too. They just don't get paid. I know a guy that plays. I wouldn't get on the field with him because it'd be like this:
pwned
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:56:00 -
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Boo ******* hoo.
I'm not in an alliance, so I can't compete even if I want to. Which is lame.
I want a mothership!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla
Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Or maybe, just maybe, GMs/DEVs could look and see if you have implants in. I'd be vry shocked if EVE doesn't have a dossier/stat-style command, which is stock in even text-muds.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:28:00 -
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All the talk about faction BS's, implants, isk etc is pretty meaningless really.
Fact is that the majority of EVE's playerbase are not in one of the top few alliances. This tournament is just for those top few alliances and therefore the large majority of EVE's players have no interest or involvement in this "event".
It's the whole MMORPG inverted pyramid thing at work again - 80% of the development time is spent on 10% of the playerbase (nb. "The Horde" in that picture doesn't refer to WoW, it refers to the mass of MMORPG players who are not hardcore catasses).
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:50:00 -
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I think that the fact that BoB won the previous tournament is the deterrant for many alliances to enter and take a granted loss. I don't believe there's no alliances that can field top 3 PvPer at the level of BoB's top 3 PvPers. The problem is that all of a BoB team will be using full sets of pirate implants, that give a tremendous bonus to a pilot. That is the problem. Not every alliance will work for 3 pilots to get them full set of implants. May be it's teamwork, may be it's because for some it will demand some effort, and for BoB it's peanuts, who knows.
Another factor is that in the previous tournament the rules were changed when the teams were fitted and the competition was under way. Many also suspect (although I don't believe it's true) that the competition was not 100% fair paly.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:57:00 -
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Some pilots I talked to had a prblem understanding the fact that Cosmos items are allowed while faction stuff isn't. It isn't as if some of those cosmos items are way better than T2 stuff.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
Hook, line and sinker
On a more friendly note. Faction gear gives you an 'edge', but the only time that edge is useful is when the two parties are allready on even footing.
A nub with a Gist X-Type, is still a nub.
Which is why I was sayin that expecting pilots to fly ships they are unfamiliar with is unfair. It takes time to figure out what a ship can and cant do and more importantly what you can do in it. A superb T1 ship pilot could get lost in the equivalent T2 ship. Remember T2 ships are very rare. They are NOT the standard and people should stop treating them like they are. Hell the faction variants of the ships are very rare and are different to the standard variants.
Most battles in eve are fought in T1 ships. Lets just acknowlage thats and reflect that for once?
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Powder
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Posted - 2006.06.23 23:24:00 -
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Do people forget there were a few upsets last time? and the final did kind of come down to the wire. Just cause bob won lasttime doesnt mean that they wont get spanked in the first round, while i kind of doubt they would you never know, anyone and beat anyone else in this game, there is no wtfpwn setup and who says that BL wont be so drunk he locks twd instead of the target
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Mistress Suffering
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:12:00 -
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Seems fascinating to me.
Yes, there's a huge ISK threshold to enter at a truly competitive level, and no, I can't match that. But there should be many alliances in the game that can field perfectly well equipped teams.
Start there, then consider how to make the best use of the options you have available.
I look forward to next year's event, even if I don't necessarily expect to win it. Good luck to those who take a run at this year's tourney. Do you honestly PvP expecting to never lose a ship? Get out there and enjoy some of the best PvP (ECM and WCS free to boot) you're likely to see. So what if you lose a ship or two in the process.
There's definitely a benefit to massive amounts of ISK, but there is also benefit to creative planning and good teamwork. Make good use of it, and there should be quite af few teams that can go toe to toe with BoB.
Have fun.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
I think that the fact that BoB won the previous tournament is the deterrant for many alliances to enter and take a granted loss. I don't believe there's no alliances that can field top 3 PvPer at the level of BoB's top 3 PvPers. The problem is that all of a BoB team will be using full sets of pirate implants, that give a tremendous bonus to a pilot. That is the problem. Not every alliance will work for 3 pilots to get them full set of implants. May be it's teamwork, may be it's because for some it will demand some effort, and for BoB it's peanuts, who knows.
Another classic example of assumption at work.
When we won the first championship we did not have three pilots with pirate implant sets in their heads. We beat teams that did have full sets of pirate implants.
Whether or not we do it differently this time around who knows, the fact remains we didn't bother last time.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
There's definitely a benefit to massive amounts of ISK, but there is also benefit to creative planning and good teamwork. Make good use of it, and there should be quite af few teams that can go toe to toe with BoB.
Exactly!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Valkazm on 24/06/2006 08:57:34
thread go away go away .. well it didnt so here goes which alliances are not gonna compete stupid assumption and thread just like you know the alliance leaders and you sat down and said this is unfair .. fair to say 70% of the alliances are probably already preapiring for this its suppose to be fun for both the viewers and the fighters ..
*edit stupid typos*
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:00:00 -
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oh and 70% meaning the active ones of course so many that dont even really function
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.24 10:14:00 -
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It's not like BoBs victory was a huge one either, that last game could have gone either way easily. Was a very good match, but it did show the power of pirate implants in the right hands.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.24 11:07:00 -
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Actually the real reason we decided not to compete was the new format of 3 fights at the start. Thats triple the initial isk investment and we figured there was far better things we could do with the time and money. Otherwise we would probably have joined up *shrug*
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2006.06.24 11:17:00 -
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I'd venture the real reason that not so many signed up is bad experiences with the oganisation last time.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:16:00 -
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Yet another crap event to shaft anyone with less than 30Mill skillpoints and 10 billion isk...
Where are the events for normal players?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:35:00 -
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People are are ignoring one major issue.
You need people good at Command Cruisers and Interdictors. Most smaller Alliances may have a few of these, but they dont have enough to be sure they will be available for the tornament schedule..
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:55:00 -
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It's not about the number of skill points, it's where you put them.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
It's not like BoBs victory was a huge one either, that last game could have gone either way easily. Was a very good match, but it did show the power of pirate implants in the right hands.
Very true, they also should've lost the semi-finals against THE R0CK, we had a superior strategy to theirs, but we made a lot of mistakes in that particular fight (pilot errors), and BoB made zero mistakes, so their superior piloting skills won that one for them.
If same could be said for me they would've lost the fight.
If KAOS's Navy Thron pilot had had even a low-grade slave implant set they would've won their match with BoB.
Was a very good tournament with a lot of awesome fights , hope this one is as good
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Didn't know that
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you should start considering to read up on stuff before pressing "post reply".
Last tournament didn't allow faction loot. The current tournament doesn't allow faction loot. You would know that if you had even bothered paying attention before letting it go on the forums.
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:51:00 -
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For anyone trying to compare Amarican Football to Rugby, just give up. As an amarican who played Football for about 7 years and has been playing Mens leuge Rugby sence 1999, i can tell you there is nothing to compair. Rugby is much closer to socer than American football, and any one with halve a brain can tell you that Ruby WFTPWN's eather one any day.
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VonKaplanek III
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
It's not all about isk at all. For the record, all faction modules are banned. All tech 2 ammo is banned. ECM is banned.
You know what happens when you take away the isk factor (faction), the hax factor (t2 ammo, missiles especially), and the ghey factor (ecm)?
All you're left with is pure skill. Billions upon billions if faction modules vanish into the ether every day because mission runners get pirated, or pvpers accidently jump into a fleet. As any pvper worth his salt knows, isk and skillpoints are worthless without intelligence and tactics.
Intelligence and tactics are what win wars, auctions, and alliance tournaments. I suggest you ponder this thought before replying.
QFT
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Joe
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:46:00 -
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I dont think the lack of interest has anyhting todo with people fearing factionships, lacking the isk to equipe their entrys or not having a full set of faction implants...
People just dont want CCP's Disgusting excuse for poor prizes
How many months was it before Dev's even acknowledged that the Wyvern awarded (and all motherships for that matter) were bugged, and didn't have their complimenting skill books even seeded on the market (Jumpclones anyone?) due to an 'eversight'. Its no wonder BoB left their 'Prize' sitting exactly where the gm's put it, not bothering to use it.
Bring back the real incentives to compete, fully fitted faction bs's, or even limited edition Ships. I really wish we had the same crew running events as a couple of years back, it's only gone down hill since.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gunsnroses
I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
No, its about how willing one is to blow 10s of billions on faction equipment. Everyone has the ISK, its more an issue about how willing one is to waste it all.
A gist-boosted Navy Raven with a crystal set, combined with a gist-boosted Eagle, for example...
Gawd... Read the rules and close ur cakehole...
You can't use faction modules you goofball...
People whining this is about isk are clueless and have no spine...
And they reward people like that when they get scammed, my lord CCP!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:18:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back
to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest
and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time?
-Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
Cept the USA team lost.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:23:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:23:56
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back
to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest
and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time?
-Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
Oh, and smartbombs were never ruled out afaik, even after the accidental podding. So like, what modules were outlawed? Make sure you aren't confusing this with the fanfest tournament, where EW was finally outlawed in the final bracket matches.
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:45:00 -
[62]
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:07:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
So every player in the World Cup is of equal skill?
Looks to me as if everybody is fighting under the same rules, unjust or not. They all have an equal chance of winning aswell, wits play into it a lot more than money or skillpoints.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:27:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
Ridiculous whines like this really DO NOT deserve replies...
Having said that, I thinks its obvious that people like this (many of which appear to play EVE) would not be happy no matter what the rules of the championship were.
They'd complain about not getting an equal amount of sleep, or that the tournament was in the middle of their tea time, or that every fleet commander must have a screaming infant on their lap while commanding their team in battle.
Most of the people creating these whine threads realize they don't have the skill necessary to be competitive...
1) No faction loot is used in the PVP Championship...
2) There is no podding so your implants are not at risk...
So there you have it, its CHEAP & LITTLE RISK is involved, OTHER THAN LOSING FACE WHEN U GET PWNED!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2006.06.25 04:31:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Trevedian
Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
Ridiculous whines like this really DO NOT deserve replies...
Having said that, I thinks its obvious that people like this (many of which appear to play EVE) would not be happy no matter what the rules of the championship were.
They'd complain about not getting an equal amount of sleep, or that the tournament was in the middle of their tea time, or that every fleet commander must have a screaming infant on their lap while commanding their team in battle.
Most of the people creating these whine threads realize they don't have the skill necessary to be competitive...
1) No faction loot is used in the PVP Championship...
2) There is no podding so your implants are not at risk...
So there you have it, its CHEAP & LITTLE RISK is involved, OTHER THAN LOSING FACE WHEN U GET PWNED!
Its a fail!
I didnt whine about anything you retard, just presenting Truth to those wanting to know why nobody gives a flip about these "tournaments" as you like to call them.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.06.25 06:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Flyyn
ORLY? Maybe we should assymble a true football team...and then take on all commers. I would like to see American Football against Euro football...see all them fellas in shorts running from those massive monsters in quasi armor
I have a better idea. Get your American football team to remove their wussy quasi armor and go up against the All Blacks.
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.25 07:12:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Denrace
Yet another crap event to shaft anyone with less than 30Mill skillpoints and 10 billion isk...
Where are the events for normal players?
Den
Like the riddle thing a month or 2 back?
shush, facts have no place among whines
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2006.06.25 07:33:00 -
[68]
they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2006.06.25 10:23:00 -
[69]
at Trev, Raem and Hippo
How dare you make me giggle at breakfast, how dare you!!!
I wish to reclaim the loss of my cup of coffee too
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:42:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Lianhaun
at Trev, Raem and Hippo
How dare you make me giggle at breakfast, how dare you!!!
I wish to reclaim the loss of my cup of coffee too
Bill Dark Shikari
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:16:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Mogrin
Its a fail!
I didnt whine about anything you retard, just presenting Truth to those wanting to know why nobody gives a flip about these "tournaments" as you like to call them.
Truth is that those who "don't give a flip" about these tournaments would never loose their time posting in this thread to start with.
Next time think a bit before defining somebody "retard", you genius
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
omg how can you evevn belive what you are writing
if that were the rules the tourny would suck so much no one would enter
what you just posted is just straight bullcrap
if you really think a tourney should be fair in terms of skills you should consider Hello Kitty Online as your new MMO
You Will Cry My Name
Funny Guys
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:33:00 -
[73]
In my opinion they should let every team get a number of points to spend on a load out. Like 10 points and 4 people in the gang. Faction/Officer/COSMOS modules not allowed, only regular T1 and T2 stuff. Capital ships also not allowed.
Battleship = 4 points
Cruiser = 3 points
Frigate/Destroyer = 1 point
Tech 2 stuff = T1 equivalent point cost + 1 (so a HAC will be 3+1)
That way there will be a major strategic element to the gangs people put together. And if you want two Battleships or HACs in the gang the rest of the gang has to be in t1 frigs/destroyers :P
Those numbers are just an example on my part how it could work. some balance would of course be needed.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:41:00 -
[74]
To be honest, people should stop coming up with reasons to fall back on in case they don't win, and just have fun. Should be a good tournament if everyone stops complaining long enough to actually shoot at each other.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.06.26 00:55:00 -
[75]
This isn't bumfight =/
Degeneres animos timor arguit
Fear reveals ignoble spirits |
Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:44:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Levin Cavil on 26/06/2006 06:47:04
Originally by: Femme LaNoir
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
Rugby is not american football. A rugby player would die playing American football without pads/helmet.
As an American I'd rather watch rugby than American football but please get your facts straight.
/me wonders what the topic was...
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:07:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:56:00 -
[78]
Why win a mothership when you can build one with less hassle.
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Merrick Solipsus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:51:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Merrick Solipsus on 26/06/2006 11:53:35
Quote:
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup
WTH does football have to do with the soccer world cup!?
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:03:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 26/06/2006 12:06:01
Originally by: Liet Traep
Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
This is wrong. Shield transfers, remote armor reps, energy transfers and drone counterparts were USED IN THE FINAL FIGHT BETWEEN THE R0CK AND BOB.
NBSI lost to a nublet strategy and lag. Thing is, R0CK was also affected by module lag. All this whining from NBSI has achieved is make them look like fkn idiots that can't take a loss lying down.
Also, I have never heard of CCP being able to shut down global usage of any module type in a system. In fact, if they could have done so, they wouldn't have had to scan each ship and go over individual setups.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:10:00 -
[81]
Raem is right, shield transfer modules and drones were never banned, and indeed I seriously doubt CCP had the tools available to setup a no shield transfer zone at that time with no advance notice.
My best guess as to what happened was that things went out of synch for NBSI and what you wanted to remote rep was out of range while showing as being well within range.
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
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captian jackharkness
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:12:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Novarei
Why win a mothership when you can build one with less hassle.
BOB send the MC after you if you do that
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:14:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Edited by: Merrick Solipsus on 26/06/2006 11:53:35
Quote:
Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup
WTH does football have to do with the soccer world cup!?
Because the rest of the civilized world calls soccer "football". It's just you barbaric yanks that call it soccer.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:14:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Liet Traep
Edited by: Liet Traep on 26/06/2006 09:08:24
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 25/06/2006 03:26:24
Originally by: Rozips
'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...'
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before
matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported
live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules
so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition
of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake
and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football
players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how
stupid does that sound?
I want to know what "modules were outlawed without player notification", because I sure don't remember THAT. Right from the outset faction modules, EW and EW-type drones were disallowed. That leaves... weapons, propulsion scramblers (webifiers), support modules (target painters, etc) and all their tech2 variants... all of whom were allowed throughout the competition.
I can tell you what modules were outlawed on day 2. The NBSI team used shield transfer drones and modules. The rattlesnake used it's drones and mods to protect NBSI's manticore which was able to toss volley after volley of missiles. The second day of the tournament the tourny had been moved to a different system. When the NBSI team went to activate their modules and drones they didn't work. The NBSI Vagabond pilot had a different problem in that his comp seemed to lock up. But the other two ships worked fine except their tactic no longer worked.
It wasn't until an hour after the event that the NBSI team was informed that the rules had been changed and shield transfer technology was not to be allowed. They were told that if they wished they could do the entire fight over again IF their opponents The Rock agreed AND their ships would not be replaced AND they had an hour to replace ships and gear. Since their main BS was a rattlesnake that one player had donated to the cause and could not be replaced it was kind of a moot point. Everything was against the NBSI team on the 2nd day. Don't know why. insert conspiracy theory here.
Yes, that is correct, you lost because CCP WANTED YOU TO LOSE. Or alternatively, you could consider the EULA you agreed to, that states the quality of the game may vary, since CCP can;t control the internet.
Bad things happened, lag was felt, people died. Perhaps if the lag wasn't there you might have won. But to be blunt, its like arguing against wet roads in Formula 1 racing, or a storm during a footbal match. Both sides suffered, your tactic was the less resiliant one, and as a result, you lost.
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niko86
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:15:00 -
[85]
I say good luck to all the alliances 
The team with the best tactics execution of those will win. If thats BOB who cares, but they going to be under more pressure to win than any other team, as everyones expectations of them are so high.
- Transire suum pectus mundoque potiri |
Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:26:00 -
[86]
I know why i'm not interested.
Crystal implants = your team wins.
It was a contest of how much officer/complex stuff you could buy last time imo.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:35:00 -
[87]
"they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved."
... it's _alliance_ tournament that's been scheduled months in advance, not some random spur-of-moment bar fight of three drunkards in Bum**** Backwater, Nowhere. Last i checked it costed significant isk to even _form_ an alliance, so why all the whine how "omg you need isk to compete please CCP let us duke it out in Ibises, that'd be real skill"..? --;;
Part of skill is being able to work with what you have to best effect. Not whine how unfair it is to force you make the same effort others are actually willing to make.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:42:00 -
[88]
Why dont they just host the damn thing on SISI so everyone can compete, not just the people with the fattest wallets?
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:43:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Raem is right, shield transfer modules and drones were never banned, and indeed I seriously doubt CCP had the tools available to setup a no shield transfer zone at that time with no advance notice.
My best guess as to what happened was that things went out of synch for NBSI and what you wanted to remote rep was out of range while showing as being well within range.
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
I was on vent listening to the team when the match started and heard them complaining that their shield transfer modules didn't work. I was still on vent when DJ Lightning got the bewildered excuse from the gm with the offer of redoing the match. I'm not flaming you guys in the Rock. But NBSI's modules didn't work in that fight and their strategy was based off of it. I don't know what happened since my team which had been doing well up until that point got screwed by a cluster****. After that I didn't give a damn any more.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:49:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Also note that the organizers always ASSUMED THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE RULES AT ANY TIME. Listen to that, it's important; it means that all participants were supposed to be aware of the FACT that organizers could, if they saw need to do so, change rules, allowed equipment lists and other things at any time.
And that, more than anything, is why I'm utterly disinterested.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:52:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
Seems likely, considering that the signature radius on the manticore is higher than the explosion radius on the heavy precisions even without skills.
In optimal conditions, it would probably be enough with 4 precision heavies to destroy a manticore.
With 5 launchers and a rof bonus on the cerberus, I don't think the manticore had any chance whatsoever. The reason why the drones failed to transfer shields is probably because the ship was already gone fairly shortly after being targeted.
Not that I know for sure, but this seems to be the most likely possibility.
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Namtuk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:02:00 -
[92]
All I would like to say is that the USA suck a football for u US guys thats soccer, and BTW DEUTSCHLAND
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:20:00 -
[93]
Originally by: j0sephine
"they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved."
... it's _alliance_ tournament that's been scheduled months in advance, not some random spur-of-moment bar fight of three drunkards in Bum**** Backwater, Nowhere. Last i checked it costed significant isk to even _form_ an alliance, so why all the whine how "omg you need isk to compete please CCP let us duke it out in Ibises, that'd be real skill"..? --;;
Part of skill is being able to work with what you have to best effect. Not whine how unfair it is to force you make the same effort others are actually willing to make.
I think podding should be allowed. Fair enough that the rich boys should get an advantage by being able to deploy crystal implant sets and all that jaz but its unreasonable that they should get the advantages from pirate implant sets without risk. After all, anybody bringing a faction battleship to the tourney is risking up to a couple of billion isk with hull and fittings, why should an suped up implant clone be free of risk in that setting?
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:28:00 -
[94]
Quote:
I think podding should be allowed
"To the death!"....well..."To the clone!"
Agreed.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:38:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
Seems likely, considering that the signature radius on the manticore is higher than the explosion radius on the heavy precisions even without skills.
In optimal conditions, it would probably be enough with 4 precision heavies to destroy a manticore.
With 5 launchers and a rof bonus on the cerberus, I don't think the manticore had any chance whatsoever. The reason why the drones failed to transfer shields is probably because the ship was already gone fairly shortly after being targeted.
Not that I know for sure, but this seems to be the most likely possibility.
Nope. Manticore was heaviky shield tanked. With mods and skills it had over 1200 shield hp I think. It would've taken more than one volley of missiles from a cerb to bring it down.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:39:00 -
[96]
I dont know about you people. If you really want to have rules you might as well say no guns, no dmg mods, no drones, no this and that. 
I say make it a true alliance PvP - who has the biggest and daring wins. No rules i.e. can kill and pod. Dont bring what you cant lose. The only rule should be no exploits and login/logoff traps.
My 10 ISKs.
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:40:00 -
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"I think podding should be allowed. Fair enough that the rich boys should get an advantage by being able to deploy crystal implant sets and all that jaz but its unreasonable that they should get the advantages from pirate implant sets without risk. After all, anybody bringing a faction battleship to the tourney is risking up to a couple of billion isk with hull and fittings, why should an suped up implant clone be free of risk in that setting?"
*shrugs* I suppose it's one way to look at it, but to be honest it feels like quite petty attitude that simply doesn't fit the event of such scale. Maybe it's because of the accompanying 'rich boys' rhetorics which conveniently ignores just a _few_ people working together can easily raise enough isk for pirate implant set in week-two of completely casual play, and we're talking alliance scale tournament here, i.e. more than a few people that supposedly are cooperating for common goal. And were given much more time for the preparations.
You may ask why is it different from blowing up competitors' ships? Because you can't avoid blowing their ships if you want to defeat them, but eventual podding is entirely up to the winner. And if all they can think of is 'zomg lemme pod them' ... then pfft, that's like --pardon the RL analogy-- winning football team demanding right to break legs of defeated competitors, even though at this point it doesn't gain them anything. Very small winners, in other words.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Traep
Nope. Manticore was heaviky shield tanked. With mods and skills it had over 1200 shield hp I think. It would've taken more than one volley of missiles from a cerb to bring it down.
With 1200 shields, I'd have to agree with you on that.
Although 5 thunderbolt precision heavies would have eaten more than half of that without skills or bcu:s, assuming an unhardened target.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Traep
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Raem is right, shield transfer modules and drones were never banned, and indeed I seriously doubt CCP had the tools available to setup a no shield transfer zone at that time with no advance notice.
My best guess as to what happened was that things went out of synch for NBSI and what you wanted to remote rep was out of range while showing as being well within range.
Either that or our Cerberus's precision heavy missiles simply shredded your Manticore so fast it didn't make a difference.
I was on vent listening to the team when the match started and heard them complaining that their shield transfer modules didn't work. I was still on vent when DJ Lightning got the bewildered excuse from the gm with the offer of redoing the match. I'm not flaming you guys in the Rock. But NBSI's modules didn't work in that fight and their strategy was based off of it. I don't know what happened since my team which had been doing well up until that point got screwed by a cluster****. After that I didn't give a damn any more.
It's been said before, and I'll say it again.
The most common cause for what NBSI experienced is server desynch; when your client thinks you are somewhere you're not, for instance. This is not directly CCP's fault, they don't control the internet, and not even the tightest netcode can rule out desynching completely afaik (I'm not a trained network admin or expert, nor do I ever want to be).
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:27:00 -
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Personally I am going to pay just as little interest and respect to whoever wins this one as I did with the last.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Hey, I was all set to form a team with T1 ships and t1 equipment and just having a bit of a laugh.
But then I read all the rules of it, and the people casually saying why dont _YOU_ *insert insulting sneer here* have a full set of pirate implants casue ANYONE *even more sneer* can have them and the isk measuring contest my eyes started to glaze over. And when I saw the 3 fights for the first round rule I said forget it. Why? Because you have to factor in the fact that you can lose every ship in a round. That means you have to triple your initial isk investment to BUY 3 of each ship class for the tourney. This probably makes the t2 ship makers giggle, but it shafts everyone else. it was blatently another way to force people without deep wallets out of the tournament. And I for one am not interested in that kind of elitism. Go measure your genetalia off the forums will you?
And one other thing. Saying that a great pvper should be ablre to use all t2 ships right off the bat is rediculous. Why? The T2 ships are not the t1 ships with bells on. They have different capabilities and layouts. In effect, they are different ships. A rock hard t1 pilot would have to get used to fighting in a t2 equivalent ship and learn its capabilities to be able to fight with it at its best. This is not fiction, its a fact. And it takes time to do this. So please dont come here and just keep saying that all you have to do is sc*****together the money, because there is a lot more to it than that.
I hope those who watch that tournament have a good time. I'll be mining veld. Care to join me?
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SLIM
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:46:00 -
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Yes, there was lag last time. And Raem is right, it was desync. I know because our team's setup last time depended on a Curse, which needs to be in range in order to nos. Well, of course, he showed up as 12k from a target, when really he was 30+, according to the server. Obviously, this caused our tactics to fail and we lost the fight. Would we have won if not for the lag? It's possible. We'll never know. This happens. It especially happens when the system is on the same node as Jita
However, I think LeMonde and the rest of the organizers have learned from this, and I expect it to be a lot better this time around. Look for them to reinforce the node, or perhaps even make it a private one.
As for the isk whine, I'm sorry, it is just that. We're a small alliance, but we're pitching in some isk to replace ships and whatnot. If our guys lose, no biggie. Do we need a high grade crystal/slave/snake set just to compete? Good lord no, and we won't be outfitting our entire team with them to the tune of 10B. We will be investing a bit in ships and equipment, though. It's not an investment to get a mothership, it's an investment so that our team to work towards a challenging goal by using small gang tactics, which are our favorite. This event is also for our whole alliance to have a bit of fun cheering them on. I know I'll be on teamspeak doing just that. Last time I checked, that's what sports are all about. Anyone who looks on this as some sort of calculated investment is bound to be disappointed.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:05:00 -
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This entire tournament sucks anyways, with winnings being payed out in multi-billion ISK capital ships it's no game, it could herald a significant shift in power in alliance warfare, which is just a slap in the face to everyone who acctually goes out to build theese kinds of things instead of whoring for faction loot and implans and winning them randomly at a tournament.
What ever happened to those special Amarr Ships that were handed out, Maganate or whatever it was called? Now that is a decent price, because even though it's valuable and highly sought after it doesn't screw with the balance of power in the universe. But hey, let's not do that, let's screw with the game by making the Caldari gaming comission hand out capital ships... Can you smell the Bullsh*t?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
To have a true championship you need a controlled environment where everyone has max skills, and provide free ships and free mods. Have it so you can't take anything in, or anything out.
And when you leave, your previous skills are reinstated.
Otherwise its not a tournament, its just eve.
Tourney = level playing field.
But many MMOG devs have forgotten what competition is, so F their tourneys and let them scratch their heads about why nobody is interested in them.
That's a load of bull**** right there.
Level playing field? Have you ever, EVER competed in anything? No, you clearly haven't.
Are all the world-cup teams of equal skill and is that whole thing a 'level playing field'? Nope.
Were the wrestling tournments I took part in during highschool level playing fields? Hell no, I got my ass handed to me by someone who was all-american at one point (a few pears later).
What about the MTG tournaments I was in? Nope, not even there either. MY decks purly pwnd some others, and vice versa.
This isn't a game of street fighter or mortal kombat, where everyone has the same half dozen moves and 2-3 special attacks. Oh, those aren't even either. I crush my brother in those gamess.
Same FPS's. I could go play tribes against my friend mark, we could have a 'level playing field', but he'll destroy me (as he was part of plan 9, which iirc, was one of the best groups in tribes 2).
You have no clue what you're talking about, and you could have max-skilled, t2- fitted ships for this tournament, and it still wouldn't be 'level'. You, who thinks SPs are the end-all, should not comment.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
they should do two things with this. First, make it all T1 un-nammed modules, plain and simple not silly loop holes here and the cost is reasonable. And secondly, make classes of competitors, small alliance, medium, big - this would even out the whole thing. And with using just t1 equipment and ships, even small corps could get involved.
Class of competitors would be pretty stupi. An alliance is an alliance, I'd rather have a chance of dueling some evol group for BoB that be stuck fighting other small alliances. It'd be fun either way, but it's quite clear that FUN has no place in this tournament.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:22:00 -
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I know I'm going to have tons of fun, so dunno what you're on about.
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