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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
Hook, line and sinker
On a more friendly note. Faction gear gives you an 'edge', but the only time that edge is useful is when the two parties are allready on even footing.
A nub with a Gist X-Type, is still a nub.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio * BoB weren't using the only faction gear in the tournament.
While I agree with the spirit and gist of your post, nobody was using faction gear in that tournament, seeing as it was banned and all.
On another note, wow at the ignorance and rampant stupidity displayed by many people in this thread. Skill and Tactics are the biggest factor in this tournament.
ISK and skillpoints factor in, but they are not nearly as important. <- FACT OK
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:14:00 -
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Well cant talk for anyone, but I'll be on holiday for the next 2 months.. its summer FFS, sun is shining and all
CCP you have a very bad sense of timining, had to be said...
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
While I agree with the spirit and gist of your post, nobody was using faction gear in that tournament, seeing as it was banned and all.
That'll teach me for whorum foring in between calls at work
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Femme LaNoir
The americans would lose due to all the handballs.
By the way, american football is known as Rugby in the UK, and our people dont need to wear any sissy armor, they are hardcore.
when you're right, you're right though there are some rugby leagues here too. They just don't get paid. I know a guy that plays. I wouldn't get on the field with him because it'd be like this: pwned /*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong. |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:56:00 -
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Boo ******* hoo.
I'm not in an alliance, so I can't compete even if I want to. Which is lame.
I want a mothership!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Drilla Make is a tournament based on skill and teamwork.
Only T1 and T2 - no implants or faction mods/ships at all - voila you have a peoper tourney.
How would you police the no implant thing?
POD kill all the pilots right b4 the tournament? lol...
Or maybe, just maybe, GMs/DEVs could look and see if you have implants in. I'd be vry shocked if EVE doesn't have a dossier/stat-style command, which is stock in even text-muds.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:28:00 -
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All the talk about faction BS's, implants, isk etc is pretty meaningless really.
Fact is that the majority of EVE's playerbase are not in one of the top few alliances. This tournament is just for those top few alliances and therefore the large majority of EVE's players have no interest or involvement in this "event".
It's the whole MMORPG inverted pyramid thing at work again - 80% of the development time is spent on 10% of the playerbase (nb. "The Horde" in that picture doesn't refer to WoW, it refers to the mass of MMORPG players who are not hardcore catasses).
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:50:00 -
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I think that the fact that BoB won the previous tournament is the deterrant for many alliances to enter and take a granted loss. I don't believe there's no alliances that can field top 3 PvPer at the level of BoB's top 3 PvPers. The problem is that all of a BoB team will be using full sets of pirate implants, that give a tremendous bonus to a pilot. That is the problem. Not every alliance will work for 3 pilots to get them full set of implants. May be it's teamwork, may be it's because for some it will demand some effort, and for BoB it's peanuts, who knows.
Another factor is that in the previous tournament the rules were changed when the teams were fitted and the competition was under way. Many also suspect (although I don't believe it's true) that the competition was not 100% fair paly.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:57:00 -
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Some pilots I talked to had a prblem understanding the fact that Cosmos items are allowed while faction stuff isn't. It isn't as if some of those cosmos items are way better than T2 stuff. --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: Himo Amasacia Wow, that flamebait netted a fish in less than 2 minutes!
Hook, line and sinker
On a more friendly note. Faction gear gives you an 'edge', but the only time that edge is useful is when the two parties are allready on even footing.
A nub with a Gist X-Type, is still a nub.
Which is why I was sayin that expecting pilots to fly ships they are unfamiliar with is unfair. It takes time to figure out what a ship can and cant do and more importantly what you can do in it. A superb T1 ship pilot could get lost in the equivalent T2 ship. Remember T2 ships are very rare. They are NOT the standard and people should stop treating them like they are. Hell the faction variants of the ships are very rare and are different to the standard variants.
Most battles in eve are fought in T1 ships. Lets just acknowlage thats and reflect that for once?
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Powder
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Posted - 2006.06.23 23:24:00 -
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Do people forget there were a few upsets last time? and the final did kind of come down to the wire. Just cause bob won lasttime doesnt mean that they wont get spanked in the first round, while i kind of doubt they would you never know, anyone and beat anyone else in this game, there is no wtfpwn setup and who says that BL wont be so drunk he locks twd instead of the target
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Mistress Suffering
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:12:00 -
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Seems fascinating to me.
Yes, there's a huge ISK threshold to enter at a truly competitive level, and no, I can't match that. But there should be many alliances in the game that can field perfectly well equipped teams.
Start there, then consider how to make the best use of the options you have available.
I look forward to next year's event, even if I don't necessarily expect to win it. Good luck to those who take a run at this year's tourney. Do you honestly PvP expecting to never lose a ship? Get out there and enjoy some of the best PvP (ECM and WCS free to boot) you're likely to see. So what if you lose a ship or two in the process.
There's definitely a benefit to massive amounts of ISK, but there is also benefit to creative planning and good teamwork. Make good use of it, and there should be quite af few teams that can go toe to toe with BoB.
Have fun.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin I think that the fact that BoB won the previous tournament is the deterrant for many alliances to enter and take a granted loss. I don't believe there's no alliances that can field top 3 PvPer at the level of BoB's top 3 PvPers. The problem is that all of a BoB team will be using full sets of pirate implants, that give a tremendous bonus to a pilot. That is the problem. Not every alliance will work for 3 pilots to get them full set of implants. May be it's teamwork, may be it's because for some it will demand some effort, and for BoB it's peanuts, who knows.
Another classic example of assumption at work.
When we won the first championship we did not have three pilots with pirate implant sets in their heads. We beat teams that did have full sets of pirate implants.
Whether or not we do it differently this time around who knows, the fact remains we didn't bother last time.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering There's definitely a benefit to massive amounts of ISK, but there is also benefit to creative planning and good teamwork. Make good use of it, and there should be quite af few teams that can go toe to toe with BoB.
Exactly!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Valkazm on 24/06/2006 08:57:34 thread go away go away .. well it didnt so here goes which alliances are not gonna compete stupid assumption and thread just like you know the alliance leaders and you sat down and said this is unfair .. fair to say 70% of the alliances are probably already preapiring for this its suppose to be fun for both the viewers and the fighters ..
*edit stupid typos*
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:00:00 -
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oh and 70% meaning the active ones of course so many that dont even really function
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.24 10:14:00 -
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It's not like BoBs victory was a huge one either, that last game could have gone either way easily. Was a very good match, but it did show the power of pirate implants in the right hands. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.24 11:07:00 -
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Actually the real reason we decided not to compete was the new format of 3 fights at the start. Thats triple the initial isk investment and we figured there was far better things we could do with the time and money. Otherwise we would probably have joined up *shrug*
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2006.06.24 11:17:00 -
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I'd venture the real reason that not so many signed up is bad experiences with the oganisation last time.
----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:16:00 -
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Yet another crap event to shaft anyone with less than 30Mill skillpoints and 10 billion isk...
Where are the events for normal players?
Den ________________________________________
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:35:00 -
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People are are ignoring one major issue.
You need people good at Command Cruisers and Interdictors. Most smaller Alliances may have a few of these, but they dont have enough to be sure they will be available for the tornament schedule..
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:55:00 -
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It's not about the number of skill points, it's where you put them. New sig coming soonÖ Tuxford's good for EVE. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi It's not like BoBs victory was a huge one either, that last game could have gone either way easily. Was a very good match, but it did show the power of pirate implants in the right hands.
Very true, they also should've lost the semi-finals against THE R0CK, we had a superior strategy to theirs, but we made a lot of mistakes in that particular fight (pilot errors), and BoB made zero mistakes, so their superior piloting skills won that one for them.
If same could be said for me they would've lost the fight.
If KAOS's Navy Thron pilot had had even a low-grade slave implant set they would've won their match with BoB.
Was a very good tournament with a lot of awesome fights , hope this one is as good
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Didn't know that
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you should start considering to read up on stuff before pressing "post reply".
Last tournament didn't allow faction loot. The current tournament doesn't allow faction loot. You would know that if you had even bothered paying attention before letting it go on the forums. ----
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Patric Murphy
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:51:00 -
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For anyone trying to compare Amarican Football to Rugby, just give up. As an amarican who played Football for about 7 years and has been playing Mens leuge Rugby sence 1999, i can tell you there is nothing to compair. Rugby is much closer to socer than American football, and any one with halve a brain can tell you that Ruby WFTPWN's eather one any day.
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VonKaplanek III
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury It's not all about isk at all. For the record, all faction modules are banned. All tech 2 ammo is banned. ECM is banned.
You know what happens when you take away the isk factor (faction), the hax factor (t2 ammo, missiles especially), and the ghey factor (ecm)?
All you're left with is pure skill. Billions upon billions if faction modules vanish into the ether every day because mission runners get pirated, or pvpers accidently jump into a fleet. As any pvper worth his salt knows, isk and skillpoints are worthless without intelligence and tactics.
Intelligence and tactics are what win wars, auctions, and alliance tournaments. I suggest you ponder this thought before replying.
QFT
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Joe
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:46:00 -
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I dont think the lack of interest has anyhting todo with people fearing factionships, lacking the isk to equipe their entrys or not having a full set of faction implants...
People just dont want CCP's Disgusting excuse for poor prizes
How many months was it before Dev's even acknowledged that the Wyvern awarded (and all motherships for that matter) were bugged, and didn't have their complimenting skill books even seeded on the market (Jumpclones anyone?) due to an 'eversight'. Its no wonder BoB left their 'Prize' sitting exactly where the gm's put it, not bothering to use it.
Bring back the real incentives to compete, fully fitted faction bs's, or even limited edition Ships. I really wish we had the same crew running events as a couple of years back, it's only gone down hill since.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gunsnroses I believe the isk is the point.
See, this about alliance power. ISK = POWER.
No, its about how willing one is to blow 10s of billions on faction equipment. Everyone has the ISK, its more an issue about how willing one is to waste it all.
A gist-boosted Navy Raven with a crystal set, combined with a gist-boosted Eagle, for example...
Gawd... Read the rules and close ur cakehole...
You can't use faction modules you goofball...
People whining this is about isk are clueless and have no spine...
And they reward people like that when they get scammed, my lord CCP!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2006.06.25 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rozips 'I canĘt say why so few alliances decided to participate...' Taken from todays news, well lets have a little rememberance back to the previous shambles they called a championship and think why.
1) Nearly 50% of the teams complained it was a complete lagfest and wasnt worth loosing ships/equipment
2) Organisers were publicly caught changing the rules before matchs without telling the competitors (this was actually reported live over eve radio when they decided to outlaw certain modules so they wouldnt work and then not tell the teams using them)
3) Rules currently state more isk wins; so this isnt a competition of skill or tactics more than who can afford to buy a rattlesnake and a full crystal set. Kinda like USA buying all the best football players from all over the world then winning the world cup... see how stupid does that sound?
And your surprised few alliance' want to enter this time? -Rant over... lub Alty McAltenstein :P
Cept the USA team lost.
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