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Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 206	Posted - 2014.07.03 07:58:00 - [31] - Quote Nardil Cardizem wrote: I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP You're not trying at all. You're actually doing it. I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. If you die and the other guy lives, you should now have 50 statements about tactics. In your current case something like: if I do X I will not land enough damage. I can deal with that by Y. If you're having trouble indentifying X and coming up with Y, look for a lowsec pvp corp. The ones that dont drop armies on t1 frigs tend to have people with knowledge about what ship to engage with what and under which circumstances. As for your question: 2 1 industrial when I grabbed "free" ore from a "helpfull" stranger 1 rifter in a oldschool can drop duel in Hek, Pator or something like that. I killed his in round two and discovered he wasn't t1 fitted as agreed upon at all!
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 45	Posted - 2014.07.03 08:04:00 - [32] - Quote Nardil Cardizem wrote: So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating. Looks like it took me 6 months from starting PVP to win my first 1vs1 against another combat ship. I quite enjoyed small gang PVP then when everything was new (coordinated action on voice comms was like the most awesome thing ever :D), and wasn't necessarily looking for solo in the beginning- desire to solo came along later, now I have probably +600 solo kills in everything from scanning frigs to battleships, majority in T1 frigs. It's not easy until you figure out the most important thing- choosing your fights. Learn all the ships and their typical fighting methods and fits, and don't bang your head to the wall of picking difficult or impossible fights at first. Stick to one ship, or a select few and learn it's stats and how they compare to other ships. You need to know your range, speed and tank on an intuitive level and have a realistic estimate how it would handle against your target. Source the internet, and spend quality time with EFT. Test and practice with NPCs (or test server, if you prefer that), then fly out with a tactic that suits your chosen ship. Go through your losses and think want went wrong. You can also look at the killboards of the pilots who killed you, and import their fits to EFT and examine them. I took a quick look at your KB, and in general you seem to favour relatively light tanks (sometimes even no buffer modules at all?), but often complement that with smaller than the biggest guns- to fly Gallente, I'm afraid you need perfect or near perfect fitting skills so you can fit the biggest guns. Or adjust your fits for either more tank or more gank. (ie. always Neutron blasters with light tank, or heavy tank with Electrons). Don't worry about dropping a magstab or DDA Fitting implants will help until you get Advanced Weapon Ugrades V and IV rigging skills, but I still use them all the time. Learn to warp your pod out when your ship goes down! You lose too many pods in low sec. Don't be too hard on yourself, your losses are nothing to be shamed of (1vsMany, against veteran pilots in superior ships etc) and you seem to have a knack for experimenting with fits, which is good. Just keep at it, find a fighting style that suits you and become a master of it, and pick your fights a bit more carefully!
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 933	Posted - 2014.07.03 08:04:00 - [33] - Quote I got my very first kill, which was solo, after a month. I simply got lucky, Thorax (me) vs. Vexor (him), both noobs, both wannabe ninja mission invaders. The following month I joined FW, solo, got 80 kills (mostly solo), 120 losses. All frigs. At the time I could basically play or research PVP all day long. Like 10+ hours/day. But, if you're not an unemployed crazy nerd like I was, it's normal to struggle a bit. Best advice I can give is: - Study a lot. The internet has a crap ton of EVE PVP resources. - Don't derp into fights. Have a basic plan on how and why you're gonna win that fight. - Use FRAPS or an equivalent video-capture software, frig fights are way too fast to fully understand what's going on.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 882	Posted - 2014.07.03 08:42:00 - [34] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ... Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game..... Yes. But it makes me feel good. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 4026	Posted - 2014.07.03 08:48:00 - [35] - Quote I was still rather noobish mining in Tash-Murkon when I managed to kill a can flipper with a badly fitted maller all thanks to my doing lvl 2 missions in it and having learned how to deal with frigates getting up close. Though he ejected and I didn't get a killmail. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Victus Menethil Odyssey Corporation The Gallows Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.07.03 09:00:00 - [36] - Quote Remiel Pollard Miners don't listen. Like the time RIGID tried to help Gallows in a wardec, and you lot did everything, literally EVERYTHING, we told you not to? Even after killing that Tengu we helped you nail, to get your war report over a bil in the green, you STILL managed to lose enough cheap crap to get it back in the red again. It was literally like trying to manage toddlers with you guys. At least we got paid though, otherwise we would've decced you ourselves [;) wrote: Not really a good comparison, lowsec mining vs. highsec carebear corp. I was talking about the reaction one has when finding a solo miner in lowsec. Now, you would've decced Gallows yourselves why exactly? ;)
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2439	Posted - 2014.07.03 09:15:00 - [37] - Quote im going to leave this here for the op http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html also my first solo kill was hilariously inept, i was disco balling at the last burn jita (before joining the divils) and i got exited and lit the thing in the middle of a massive heap of batthecruisers and attack battlecruisers (none of which i could kill) and net myself a single probe, well the 20 odd other pilots i had just failed to kill made my ship pop faster than concord could even get to me. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Christine Peeveepeeski The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 561	Posted - 2014.07.03 09:21:00 - [38] - Quote My first solo kill? About 3 months after I started this charachter. Before that i was an out and out carebear that had never tried pvp, left high sec or thought beyond Lvl4's and industry for a good year and a half. Best decision in eve I ever made was nearly quiting but on a spur starting this char to just shoot all the things. This became my main after about 3 months. As for Dinsdale.... mate you really are a special snowflake aren't you.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 20	Posted - 2014.07.03 10:14:00 - [39] - Quote Nardil Cardizem wrote: So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating. I took the liberty of having a look at your KB. I think your fits aren't that good, granted i didnt go thruh all of them, only a handful, but it seems to me you can work on them. Examples, those brawling Enyos and Ishkurs, tankless except for resists. Slap a SAAR on that Enyo mate! Or a couple tristans i saw, tankless, with a damp, and AB. Not a good combination. For a beginner, always slap some tank on your ships, especially if you go AB and brawl. Damp on a close range boat is pretty useless, on a 3 mid ship untill you really know what you're doing always go prop mod - scram - web The only fitting i sw that made sense were a dual rep incursus, only dual rep incursus sucks balls and you won't kill anyone 1v1 with it unless he's braindead, simply because you can't hold him there while you plink at with not so great dps edit: if you need tips or fittings feel free to drop me a message/convo in game. I'm little more than newbro myself but i know a thing or two by now edit2: also, remember: playing drunk makes for very embarassing loss mails!!
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10570	Posted - 2014.07.03 10:23:00 - [40] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. Calling people childish for PVP in a PVP game is childish, you rancid douchenozzle. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.
Ehlana Sing First Flame Syndicate 1	Posted - 2014.07.03 10:44:00 - [41] - Quote I recently got my first solo pvp kill when someone tracked me down during a mission in low sec, I was in my drake with no intention of engaging in PvP. Having someone just show up startled me and while I've played on and off since 2008 I've got very limited experience in pvp but I am not shy about flying anywhere ( if I got jumped I got jumped, more surprised it took so long to finally happen) and I'm not going to run away. So 25 mins later with mission rats shooting at us both his tank finally squeaks out and he pops, warping off in his pod. I had no scram or Web so why he didn't leave I don't know but it was an interesting encounter for me. Most folk I come across in low or null don't hassle me and I don't hassle them (you could probably class me as some kind of care bear) which works for me cause piracy or ganking just isn't my play style (but I have no problem with folk playing that way , it's thier game too). So 6 years and I got a solo pvp kill and I'm on 58 mil sp ;)
Remiel Pollard The Vigilance Institute 3728	Posted - 2014.07.03 10:50:00 - [42] - Quote Ehlana Sing wrote: I recently got my first solo pvp kill when someone tracked me down during a mission in low sec, I was in my drake with no intention of engaging in PvP. Having someone just show up startled me and while I've played on and off since 2008 I've got very limited experience in pvp but I am not shy about flying anywhere ( if I got jumped I got jumped, more surprised it took so long to finally happen) and I'm not going to run away. So 25 mins later with mission rats shooting at us both his tank finally squeaks out and he pops, warping off in his pod. I had no scram or Web so why he didn't leave I don't know but it was an interesting encounter for me. Most folk I come across in low or null don't hassle me and I don't hassle them (you could probably class me as some kind of care bear) which works for me cause piracy or ganking just isn't my play style (but I have no problem with folk playing that way , it's thier game too). So 6 years and I got a solo pvp kill and I'm on 58 mil sp ;) I know a few soloers who will see a fight through to its bitter end if it's a good one, whether they're tackled or not. Consider me guilty as charged. Although, if they're using dirty or cheap tactics on you and making the fight crap, you try to get out of there at all costs and blueball them if possible. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
ArmyOfMe Teddybears. 304	Posted - 2014.07.03 11:20:00 - [43] - Quote Dunno really, guess i had about 2mill sp, flying a thorax. beeing a old school pirate was great fun back in the day. If you have 50 losses and no solo kills, your doing something horribly wrong. Get in touch ingame m8. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5336	Posted - 2014.07.03 11:29:00 - [44] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise. Avoiding pvp in a pvp game is one extremely simple and boorish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the tinfoil masters and conspiracy theorists would have you believe theirs is the only way to think. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Don Pera Saissore 2	Posted - 2014.07.03 11:52:00 - [45] - Quote My first ever kill mail was a fail gank attempt, i don't even count that but i thought i should mention it. My first real kill was a merlin. I say real because it was consensual and i did everything right. That rifter is now parked in a station and will forever have a special place in my hart. Finding good solo fights is hard especially if you are unsure what you are doing. It's not rare that i wander FW space for 3 hours looking for a suitable fight only to be blobed on a gate. Solo is the ultimate challenge imo. The felling you get after blowing up a guy in a fair fight... Eve is hard, soloing eve is even harder. That's why i'm here.
Intar Medris Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.07.03 12:19:00 - [46] - Quote Netan MalDoran wrote: Took me 3 months of loosing ships before I popped a cyno on a lowsec station in a moa... ...but looking at your KB you seem to have consistent problems: 1: You engage faction frigates in T1 frigates which will usually end in failure (To give perspective, the faction Daredevil gets a 200% damage bonus for its hybrids = MASSIVE DAMAGE!). 2: You engage ships that are much bigger than you. (That one where you got killed by a hurricane + a few others) 3: You engage a group of people, or you aren't fully aware of your surroundings and have a gang drop on you as the 'bait ship' is holding you. I use a dessie in lowsec and look for lone T1 frigs in relatively empty systems (I may bump this up to attacking faction frigs once I get a feel for my ship). Don't give up, test multiple ships and setups until you get one that works for you then buy a lot of them and keep learning, if you keep using the same ship, you will learn it's limits and abilities (And hopefully cut down on those loss mails ). (SISI is also good to a degree for testing these fits if you can find someone to fight fairly with). Killing a cruiser with a frigate is actually pretty easy. Do a spiral approach, hold a tight orbit, and stay under their guns. My first and only solo kill was Frigate vs Cruiser. He got on shot on me on my initial approach, but once I scrambled him, and entered that tight orbit he missed every shot. Took almost a hundred rounds, but I got the kill. You just have to be sure to kill their drones before the ship. Drones and missiles are worst enemy in those kind of engagements. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Arla Sarain 29	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:18:00 - [47] - Quote Nardil Cardizem wrote: So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating. This is about a 6 month character. Only just got my first solo kill. Game isn't tough per say. But you are at a huge disadvantage against all the more established people with implants, links, alts, skills that allows them to reship into your counter and ton of money. It is an uphill battle. Which is what makes it so satisfying when you get there.
Pepper Solette University of Caille Gallente Federation 421	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:24:00 - [48] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: - Use FRAPS or an equivalent video-capture software, frig fights are way too fast to fully understand what's going on. This. My first frig fight was so fast that i hardly had time to realize what i did wrong. His Daredevil against my Hookbill. It was literally a 25 second fight. (Most of which was me sitting there with my mouth hanging open at the speed of the fight.) I did not understand transversal at the time. I ended up leaving frigates behind and learned in Battlecruisers. It gave me time to get over the 'shakes' and learn during the fight as the Drake had such a huge tank. So my first kill was my Drake against a Hurricane somewhere in low-sec. I think it was around 3-4 weeks after i started actively engaging in PvP that i got that first solo kill. -áMiko Sunji:-á "There is no better way to find out if you can swim, than swimming for your life."
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7035	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:35:00 - [49] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: How about never, and have no wish to? Recently, I came upon a few months old char mining in a retty in 0.2 space. I could have easily reshipped to fit a scram to my cloaked T3. But no, I decloaked beside the guy, said hi, told him I was no threat, and went about ratting in system. Just the 2 of us in system. We continued chatting, and he eventually called out for some help with some rats attacking his mining boat he could not handle. I zipped over, got rid of them for him. That gave me far more gratification than ganking the guy. (BTW, look at my killboard's ancient history, there are 0.0 and wh kills on it, of all kinds, so I do know a thing or two about shooting others in the game) A few days later, we had some clown in a Hurricane scan him down while having an alt sit on the other side of the gate (dead end system). I gave the miner a safe spot I had, but it was a small system and could not keep him safe, while I checked out his way out of system (remember the alt?) It did not take long before the Cane had him found and pointed. Nothing I could do for him in my outgunned exploration T3. He was extorted for cash, with a promise that the Cane pilot would not kill him for the rest of the day. That miner has not been back to that system in some time, and rarely logs on now (I have him on WL). Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise. lol, the people who control the DEVs. it never crosses your mind that "the DEVs' are the ones who created (or maintained) the environment that allows people to interact. Underlying all your craziness is your inability to understand that you're the one who is a misfit in this harsh game, it's not the game that has a problem. We get it, you think you're a nice guy for playing a video game the way you do. Not shooting another player in low sec does not make you a nice guy, it makes you a guy who made a personal choice that has zero value to anyone except you. I wouldn't have killed him either, not because doing so 'is not nice', but because doing so would have distracted me from the activity I find fun (exploring). The fact that I would have ignored the guy mining in a belt doesn't make me a nice guy either. How I treat my family, my friends, random strangers in real life and how i serve my community makes me a nice guy. It's ironic that you look down on people who shoot other people's ships in this game when you engage in activities (PVE) which benefits from ships being blown up. Hell, your activities help create the demand for ships being blown up. Had you blown up the guy's ship, you would have been doing EVE a service. It would have stopped his resource gathering (an activity that lowers the value of all other like resources) as well as perhaps given a ship builder a reason to build another ship. For some reason you're too short sighted to understand how the game you play works.
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 722	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:39:00 - [50] - Quote Victus Menethil wrote: Seraph Essael wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise. That is your opinion and your opinion only. You don't hesitate for a second to think that some people actually classify that system (I'm guessing that 0.2 system was Bersyrim, you're always in there when I see you, always cloaked too) as being their home and because that's their home, rougue miners are depleting thier resources or rogue ratters are ratting their plex's. Yes, lowsec technically isn't owned, but certain powers partrol and keep those systems for themselves. Same with wormholes, if someone goes into a wormhole and starts running the sleeper sites or mining the gas etc, you can guarantee the residents (if there are semi competent) will kill the person or run them out with no questions asked. Again it's their home. They have put the effort in to keep the system, to protect it, to call it home. Sometimes which is a logistical nightmare. But of course you don't think about that do you? Your narrow minded view isn't the only view. Have you ever tried talking to an "invading" miner? You know, tell him what he's doing wrong and such? Oh wait you wantz teh killz.... Actually, that goes to show just how little you know: Yes, the very first miner I killed in a belt in lowsec, I tried convoing him and he specifically stated "my ore" and closed the conversation. As I was killing him he logged off, so I sent him a mail letting him know that logging off mid fight wouldn't save his ship and that tactic can't be used. The mails I got back were so vile in nature and there were so many of them sent over the course of a few days, that I actually blocked and reported the guy. The more you know huh... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1652	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:57:00 - [51] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Baron' Soontir Fel Justified Chaos 192	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:24:00 - [52] - Quote Proud owner of a solo killmail 60 days after starting. Been solo killing ever since.
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 1147	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:27:00 - [53] - Quote Nardil Cardizem wrote: So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating. fly up to VFK and kill a damn goon, they suck at the game, thats how I did it... YouTube - Tumblr - Facebook - Twitter
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 83	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:00:00 - [54] - Quote 7 or 8 months I think. Crazy Russian attacked my Incursus with a Manticore.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 222	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:32:00 - [55] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: Netan MalDoran wrote: Took me 3 months of loosing ships before I popped a cyno on a lowsec station in a moa... ...but looking at your KB you seem to have consistent problems: 1: You engage faction frigates in T1 frigates which will usually end in failure (To give perspective, the faction Daredevil gets a 200% damage bonus for its hybrids = MASSIVE DAMAGE!). 2: You engage ships that are much bigger than you. (That one where you got killed by a hurricane + a few others) 3: You engage a group of people, or you aren't fully aware of your surroundings and have a gang drop on you as the 'bait ship' is holding you. I use a dessie in lowsec and look for lone T1 frigs in relatively empty systems (I may bump this up to attacking faction frigs once I get a feel for my ship). Don't give up, test multiple ships and setups until you get one that works for you then buy a lot of them and keep learning, if you keep using the same ship, you will learn it's limits and abilities (And hopefully cut down on those loss mails ). (SISI is also good to a degree for testing these fits if you can find someone to fight fairly with). Killing a cruiser with a frigate is actually pretty easy. Do a spiral approach, hold a tight orbit, and stay under their guns. My first and only solo kill was Frigate vs Cruiser. He got on shot on me on my initial approach, but once I scrambled him, and entered that tight orbit he missed every shot. Took almost a hundred rounds, but I got the kill. You just have to be sure to kill their drones before the ship. Drones and missiles are worst enemy in those kind of engagements. Do you smell that? ::sniff:: Ahhhh.... progress!! \o/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2817	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:54:00 - [56] - Quote Six years in and never. But I'm not trying. (I'm also not counting abandoned ships, insurance fraud, bounty clearing and testing. I got over a dozen solo "kills" doing those activities.) http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 14	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:56:00 - [57] - Quote Attack things that are weaker than you and run from things that aren't. Win eve.
Gisander PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7	Posted - 2014.07.04 14:21:00 - [58] - Quote 2 and a half years in sounds about right for my first true 1 vs 1 kill. Once I really started trying it took me at least 5 losses before my first victory. Best feeling in the world. Took me a full 2 minutes to calm down again and realize I should actually finish the plex. First frigate 1 vs 1 fight was me panicking and smashing random buttons after realizing I was being attacked 3 seconds into the fight and not breaking any of the enemy shielding. Second time I was kited to death. Took ages by comparison but could not even lay a finger on the enemy. Eve is harsh, but keep at it, worth it in the end. I am still incredibly bad at it but having fun every time I try.
Nikolai Lachance Happy Wheels Logistics 118	Posted - 2014.07.04 20:20:00 - [59] - Quote I was a couple weeks old. I was doing some exploration in a lowsec system with my Vexor. Guy in a rifter warps in and I didn't warp out fast enough, and I find myself tackled. So, I figure I'm screwed but I should at least fight back, so I pull out my drones and start attacking him. It ended up working because he blew up before I did. I could have gotten his pod too because he sat there for awhile, but I guess I was a little too surprised that I won. It was my first ever PvP experience and I came out on top. Month or two later, I was in a lowsec system with my Enyo. This time I was looking for a fight. Guy shows up in a rifter, he engages, we fight, and I won. I'm in an assault frig vs his T1 so I know it's hardly anything to brag about but it was still exciting.
Baron Chauman Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 16	Posted - 2014.07.04 22:00:00 - [60] - Quote When I returned to Eve with the Odyssey expansion I went out to lowsec in my pilgrim, scanned down a relic site and cloaked near a can, wrecking the two scan frigates that within the course of a few hours came to try and hack it. Had been playing Eve for about a year, one year before that. For those who even consider that kind of thing "solo pvp" anyway. Didn't bring an analyzer or cargo scanner so don't know what was in that can they both died for. It haunts me sometimes.

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