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Nardil Cardizem
Legion of Lemmings
War Rats
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:46:00 -
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So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating. |
Jim Era
8627
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:51:00 -
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Why try to blow up ships when you can help ships?
It is infinitely less rude.
WatGäó |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
899
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:54:00 -
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If you mean duels, they are almost never fair, don't do it.
If you are roaming losec you are picking the wrong targets. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples
League of Infamy
721
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:02:00 -
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Where are you trying to get solo kills? If it's in FW space you might be solo but you'll usually be fighting against them, their boosts, their Falcon alt and their Fedo.
Also what ships are you using and with what fits? (on my phone and can't check the killboards).
Half the fight is knowing which ships to engage whith your current ship and the other half is a mixture of piloting skill and knowledge (actual skill, not SP) mixed with whether they have back up or not and what skills you have trained (eg a pilot with 90% mining SP isn't going to do well against a pilot that has pure combat SP, there are exeptions though).
Don't quit, stick at it. You will eventually get your first truly solo kill, and it feels pretty good.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:03:00 -
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Yeah, the famous EVE Online learning curve is about to make another victim.
Don't give up, that graphic is outdated.
I got my first solo kill by bringing my target to a trap.
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5376
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:06:00 -
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My first solo kill was flying my drones into some poor *******'s smart bomb range in high sec. I have no idea why he thought ratting with a smart bomb was a smart idea, but I bet he never did it again.
That was within a few months of me starting my first character.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Garandras
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
209
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:08:00 -
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it took me one year in the game to get my first 'real' solo kill.. was in a cane and got caught by a Arazu and Loki.. managed to kill the Arazu and get away was very excite..
But made a alt in recent months (just because I never did the new player experience) and got my first solo kill in that within the first week.. (nuet tristans require very few SP) |
Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
1982
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:13:00 -
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... about 10 minutes after I undocked... back before people got a burr up their butts about giving fellows noobs some simple jetcan grief... boo-hoo.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Lugia3
Intentionally Dense
Easily Excited
994
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:21:00 -
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1 1/2 years.
Until I got my first killmail.
"CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
310
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:43:00 -
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Contact me. I will help you to solo kill. I've been solo a long ass time, and while I'm hardly some amazing PvPer, I get fights and have fun.
This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
440
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:53:00 -
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Nardil Cardizem wrote:So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.
true solo kill? like 3-4 months, before that, only in groups.
join RvB, they have low-skill group frigate fights going every day, you will get solo kills there by nibbling on the edges of the fleet fights and picking off stragglers. their frigates are also free - or as good as free.
Keep at it, you will eventually win. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1878
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:04:00 -
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I fight like rubbish, so not yet.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Deebo Singleton
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:04:00 -
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~800k sp, found a bantam mining in lowec with my rifter. Consensual pvp is overrated. |
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:06:00 -
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Must admit, I'm glad it isn't just me finding this. |
Ptraci
The Irukandji
Ineluctable.
1810
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:09:00 -
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Nardil Cardizem wrote:So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.
6 years? EVE is not a game for impatient people. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
31
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:15:00 -
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Took me 3 months of loosing ships before I popped a cyno on a lowsec station in a moa...
...but looking at your KB you seem to have consistent problems:
1: You engage faction frigates in T1 frigates which will usually end in failure (To give perspective, the faction Daredevil gets a 200% damage bonus for its hybrids = MASSIVE DAMAGE!).
2: You engage ships that are much bigger than you. (That one where you got killed by a hurricane + a few others)
3: You engage a group of people, or you aren't fully aware of your surroundings and have a gang drop on you as the 'bait ship' is holding you.
I use a dessie in lowsec and look for lone T1 frigs in relatively empty systems (I may bump this up to attacking faction frigs once I get a feel for my ship).
Don't give up, test multiple ships and setups until you get one that works for you then buy a lot of them and keep learning, if you keep using the same ship, you will learn it's limits and abilities (And hopefully cut down on those loss mails  ). (SISI is also good to a degree for testing these fits if you can find someone to fight fairly with).
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3200
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:30:00 -
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How about never, and have no wish to?
Recently, I came upon a few months old char mining in a retty in 0.2 space. I could have easily reshipped to fit a scram to my cloaked T3. But no, I decloaked beside the guy, said hi, told him I was no threat, and went about ratting in system. Just the 2 of us in system. We continued chatting, and he eventually called out for some help with some rats attacking his mining boat he could not handle. I zipped over, got rid of them for him.
That gave me far more gratification than ganking the guy. (BTW, look at my killboard's ancient history, there are 0.0 and wh kills on it, of all kinds, so I do know a thing or two about shooting others in the game)
A few days later, we had some clown in a Hurricane scan him down while having an alt sit on the other side of the gate (dead end system). I gave the miner a safe spot I had, but it was a small system and could not keep him safe, while I checked out his way out of system (remember the alt?)
It did not take long before the Cane had him found and pointed. Nothing I could do for him in my outgunned exploration T3. He was extorted for cash, with a promise that the Cane pilot would not kill him for the rest of the day.
That miner has not been back to that system in some time, and rarely logs on now (I have him on WL).
Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1074
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:41:00 -
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Nardil Cardizem wrote:So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.
Bookmark relic site. Wait. Warp when the rabbit is in. Its inevitable that one will take too long and let you kill their poor unarmed thieving defenseless self.
In general to get solo kills, you need to either research or learn by remembering which ship types and likely fits will kill yours and you need to seek engagements that are suitable and you need to pass up engagements that are not.
You got 50 engagements because you aren't choosing. Its a lot harder to find agreeable encounters, but not being dead and reshipping helps a lot.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1878
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise.
I can't speak for everyone, but making a value judgment of the necessity to do anything in a game (killing, or not killing, mining, or not mining) is petty.
I'd like you to be able to do whatever you want to, while I'm able to do whatever I want to.. and if these come to be at odds (ie: player vs. player) then so be it.
I'm sure a lot of posts *seem* like they are making these value judgments, but I've found that upon reading closer that this is not the case.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1074
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise.
If I didn't "discourage" other people by helpfully assisting their hull hitpoints to run out with drones and guns, then I'd never get any of the good content in my system. 3 out of the 4 types of space, and the vast majority of systems in the game are designed with that in mind, and that's why the best content starts out from or is in a public signature of some description. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples
League of Infamy
721
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:50:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise.
That is your opinion and your opinion only. You don't hesitate for a second to think that some people actually classify that system (I'm guessing that 0.2 system was Bersyrim, you're always in there when I see you, always cloaked too) as being their home and because that's their home, rougue miners are depleting thier resources or rogue ratters are ratting their plex's. Yes, lowsec technically isn't owned, but certain powers partrol and keep those systems for themselves.
Same with wormholes, if someone goes into a wormhole and starts running the sleeper sites or mining the gas etc, you can guarantee the residents (if there are semi competent) will kill the person or run them out with no questions asked. Again it's their home.
They have put the effort in to keep the system, to protect it, to call it home. Sometimes which is a logistical nightmare.
But of course you don't think about that do you? Your narrow minded view isn't the only view.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Don Purple
Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:56:00 -
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A week i think at most? Hit me up if you want advice.
I am just here to snuggle. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
136
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:58:00 -
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Getting that first solo kill is going to be a combination of patience, luck, and as corny as it sounds a "can do" attitude. For myself it didn't take too long but things were different then, can baiting was easy, and managed to get a dummy in a hauler as a result of it. Nothing too amazing but it sets you on the right path. Just keep at it, it will come, you will learn what you can and can't fight - who's using links, who isn't, etc. etc. Also as mentioned already don't bother with high-sec the fights are always in favor of the other guy in some way, just go to fw low sec - you'll find loads of similarly SP'd players looking for people like you to test there mettle against.
PS - I highly recommend the minmatar/amarr warzone in particular. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1194
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Posted - 2014.07.03 06:18:00 -
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See here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3617405#post3617405
There's even a chart.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
2599
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Posted - 2014.07.03 06:25:00 -
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Buck up little camper. First of all, why does it have to be a solo kill? Eve is an MMO, get some friends. The family that murders together stays together. Don't have any friends or are an introvert? No problem, google up some RvB Ganked. Go on their public roams. Although they have fits for each roam they do, you can literally bring anything.
But to answer your question, pretty sure it was about 6mo. I wardec'd a one man corp of a guy that annoyed me. Killed him on a gate. It was glorious.
The best one after that though is more instructive. I had already murdered some miners in another corp I dec'd. The CEO came in his Harbinger to the station I had chased one of them too. I let him shoot me a bit and then I docked without agressing. Why? Because I had no freaking idea what a Harbinger was or what kind of guns or damage it could do. Checked the combat log to see what he was shooting me with and Googled. Turned out my Hurricane was a good match so I undocked to give it a go. It was a little more tense than I would have liked, but the Harbinger died and the Hurricane still had a bit of structure left. Later a guy in that same corp taught me that a Dramiel will absolutely wreck a Jaguar. Probably should have learned that before engaging.
My one piece of advice: In hisec and lowsec* you can just about always opt out of taking a fight. So only take ones you think you can win (see above) and stay out of the others.
* Nullsec and wormholes both because of bubbles and whs because of polarization
"Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson
"You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Victus Menethil
Odyssey Corporation
The Gallows Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:07:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise. That is your opinion and your opinion only. You don't hesitate for a second to think that some people actually classify that system (I'm guessing that 0.2 system was Bersyrim, you're always in there when I see you, always cloaked too) as being their home and because that's their home, rougue miners are depleting thier resources or rogue ratters are ratting their plex's. Yes, lowsec technically isn't owned, but certain powers partrol and keep those systems for themselves. Same with wormholes, if someone goes into a wormhole and starts running the sleeper sites or mining the gas etc, you can guarantee the residents (if there are semi competent) will kill the person or run them out with no questions asked. Again it's their home. They have put the effort in to keep the system, to protect it, to call it home. Sometimes which is a logistical nightmare. But of course you don't think about that do you? Your narrow minded view isn't the only view.
Have you ever tried talking to an "invading" miner? You know, tell him what he's doing wrong and such?
Oh wait you wantz teh killz....
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3715
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:16:00 -
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Victus Menethil wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, but the forum trolls and the people that control the dev's shout down anyone who suggests otherwise. That is your opinion and your opinion only. You don't hesitate for a second to think that some people actually classify that system (I'm guessing that 0.2 system was Bersyrim, you're always in there when I see you, always cloaked too) as being their home and because that's their home, rougue miners are depleting thier resources or rogue ratters are ratting their plex's. Yes, lowsec technically isn't owned, but certain powers partrol and keep those systems for themselves. Same with wormholes, if someone goes into a wormhole and starts running the sleeper sites or mining the gas etc, you can guarantee the residents (if there are semi competent) will kill the person or run them out with no questions asked. Again it's their home. They have put the effort in to keep the system, to protect it, to call it home. Sometimes which is a logistical nightmare. But of course you don't think about that do you? Your narrow minded view isn't the only view. Have you ever tried talking to an "invading" miner? You know, tell him what he's doing wrong and such? Oh wait you wantz teh killz....
Miners don't listen. Like the time RIGID tried to help Gallows in a wardec, and you lot did everything, literally EVERYTHING, we told you not to? Even after killing that Tengu we helped you nail, to get your war report over a bil in the green, you STILL managed to lose enough cheap crap to get it back in the red again. It was literally like trying to manage toddlers with you guys.
At least we got paid though, otherwise we would've decced you ourselves 
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
243
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:27:00 -
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Nardil Cardizem wrote:So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.
Doing it wrong. I got my first solo kill during my trial account autopiloting between systems doing the career agent missions. I was in an rail corm with ungrouped guns and no basic pvp ewar modules. Some condor dueled me so I accepted it not knowing what it does. I basically did what a nomen does when getting chased down by a tackler was that I burned away without even knowing about transversal and angular velocity which helped me apply full DPS.
Of course the moment I joined FW after my trial ended I lost alot of ships but learned alot in return. Someone even picked me up and mentored me to be better at pvp.
So basically you're doing it so wrong even risk averse carebears get more solo kills than you.
On a more serious note:
Looking at your KB you either get blobbed or you pick a fight you can't win at all. Your fittings are also somewhat bad. I suggest you go read some of the pvp mechanics in eve like turrets and how to actually apply dps with them. Also lol at your enyo with damps. The poor thing was just begging to be killed. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
136
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:28:00 -
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Oh cool, the pissing contest has commenced. This should be good. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
783
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:46:00 -
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If I ever get a solo kill I'm doing it wrong.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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