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Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 10	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself. I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care. Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12208	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote I enjoy working towards a goal. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 10	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:52:00 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I enjoy working towards a goal. Goals are wonderful to have when you clearly know what it is that you want to do. Nothing wrong with them at all in my opinion. :)
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 452	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:56:00 - [4] - Quote who care someone got 10 alts he plays same time the option is there do what you like. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1929	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:05:00 - [5] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun. You're creepy. Go away. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
KaarBaak 300	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote I like turtles.
Nose' Feliciano 32	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:50:00 - [7] - Quote If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian. :P
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:50:00 - [8] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. The quote is a glimpse into an empty soul that knows neither true passion nor true hard work.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2446	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:52:00 - [9] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Nose' Feliciano 33	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye. -Hooker's Creed Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian. :P
stoicfaux 5032	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I enjoy working towards a goal. Damn Belgians. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2448	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote Actually just noticed that three of us picked up on the same sentence. Op, you do not understand those words. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Adunh Slavy 1530	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:54:00 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Actually just noticed that three of us picked up on the same sentence. Op, you do not understand those words. Perhaps it is you that do not understand what he is saying. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Ptraci The Irukandji Ineluctable. 1812	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:15:00 - [14] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:30:00 - [15] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks. I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now....
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 728	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:41:00 - [16] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Ptraci wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks. I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now.... Fixed your post for you Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12213	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:47:00 - [17] - Quote Was expecting this Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 14	Posted - 2014.07.04 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote Stop reading about EVE stories and endeavour to make your own. Even if only your wife hears about them. And yes the better the story the bigger the commitment.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 577	Posted - 2014.07.04 04:19:00 - [19] - Quote Just to be clear, most MMO's don't suck the life out of you the way EVE can if you let it. Unfortunately EVE as a casual game isn't very rewarding. Pack your stuff up, stick it in a station and go play something else for 6 months. Check in every so often, see if things are more to your liking. This isn't 2001. We aren't limited to half a dozen games anymore.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 1261	Posted - 2014.07.04 09:39:00 - [20] - Quote I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.07.04 10:51:00 - [21] - Quote The OP does have a strong, valid point though. It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun. Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all. With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month. My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache.
Claud Tiberius 50	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:05:00 - [22] - Quote EVE definitely has a lot of repetition in it. If you don't have a wide range of different skills, then you often find yourself doing the same activity over and over and over. Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 965	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:10:00 - [23] - Quote It's easy, really. Are you having fun? . Yes --> play . No --> don't play Regarding grind: are you doing it to build up something (a corp, a new ship, your FC abilities, an virtual industrial empire, whatever) that you actually enjoy? . Yes --> grind on . No --> stop Regarding PLEX and $: is EVE worth 15$/month to you (for each account)? . Yes --> Pay, unless you have hundreds of millions of ISK flying out of your butt for zero to little effort . No --> Unsub one or all accounts, unless you have ISK flying out of your butt We all wish RL was so easy!
Parmala Etoo State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:11:00 - [24] - Quote The game became a job the second you think about plex.. At that time tou are putting time in the game to ear isk to then play... Pay 15$ do pve and pvp with friends and you are playing a game. Start playing your game instead of looking how others work for at -spaceships online-...
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 12	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:18:00 - [25] - Quote Grobalobobob Bob wrote: The OP does have a strong, valid point though. It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun. Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all. With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month. My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache. Yeah and who wants to burn out like that? I mean it goes back to my point that a game is meant to be an escape, or distraction if you will. I see quite a few people complaining about the increase in cost for a PLEX and I sit here scratching my head wondering why these people have made a game into such a job. Instead of that isk going into new ships, skills, or something else it instead just goes towards another month. Now maybe some of these players already have everything they want in the game and the only thing left is to buy PLEX, and in that case I suppose it is a lack of content (player generated or CCP generated). It could also be a lack of new things to buy or tie into perhaps other factors.
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:38:00 - [26] - Quote People that are pissing isk out their avatars back side are ok, but, for normal folks i think you're spot on.
Nick Starkey Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 72	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:41:00 - [27] - Quote And just what makes you think that every other player either takes long to make isk witouth effort or has no entertainment value while making isk? PLEX wouldn't sell as much as it does if this wasn't the case. And it keeps raising price because the average player wealth is only increasing. ..
Christina Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 174	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:47:00 - [28] - Quote Let's all hunt down and kill the OP. And grinding for ISK to pay the sub, just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have. Dear CCP. If your servers have hiccups rendering the portraits, then we'd like to know more about it. Thanks!
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 13	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:22:00 - [29] - Quote Christina Project wrote: Let's all hunt down and kill the OP. And grinding for ISK to pay the sub, just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have. Odd that you seem to make a statement that seems more on the side of the point I was hoping to make, and yet you go and say you want to hunt me down... Btw I am in Rens, send everything you've got. :)
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2460	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:24:00 - [30] - Quote Sol, will you send me the killmails when you're done with him please. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything

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