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Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 10	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself. I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care. Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12208	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote I enjoy working towards a goal. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 10	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:52:00 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I enjoy working towards a goal. Goals are wonderful to have when you clearly know what it is that you want to do. Nothing wrong with them at all in my opinion. :)
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 452	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:56:00 - [4] - Quote who care someone got 10 alts he plays same time the option is there do what you like. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1929	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:05:00 - [5] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun. You're creepy. Go away. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
KaarBaak 300	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote I like turtles.
Nose' Feliciano 32	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:50:00 - [7] - Quote If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian. :P
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:50:00 - [8] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. The quote is a glimpse into an empty soul that knows neither true passion nor true hard work.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2446	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:52:00 - [9] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Nose' Feliciano 33	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye. -Hooker's Creed Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian. :P
stoicfaux 5032	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I enjoy working towards a goal. Damn Belgians. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2448	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote Actually just noticed that three of us picked up on the same sentence. Op, you do not understand those words. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Adunh Slavy 1530	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:54:00 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Actually just noticed that three of us picked up on the same sentence. Op, you do not understand those words. Perhaps it is you that do not understand what he is saying. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Ptraci The Irukandji Ineluctable. 1812	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:15:00 - [14] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:30:00 - [15] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks. I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now....
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 728	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:41:00 - [16] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Ptraci wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: ... I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. ... Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks. I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now.... Fixed your post for you Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12213	Posted - 2014.07.04 01:47:00 - [17] - Quote Was expecting this Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 14	Posted - 2014.07.04 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote Stop reading about EVE stories and endeavour to make your own. Even if only your wife hears about them. And yes the better the story the bigger the commitment.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 577	Posted - 2014.07.04 04:19:00 - [19] - Quote Just to be clear, most MMO's don't suck the life out of you the way EVE can if you let it. Unfortunately EVE as a casual game isn't very rewarding. Pack your stuff up, stick it in a station and go play something else for 6 months. Check in every so often, see if things are more to your liking. This isn't 2001. We aren't limited to half a dozen games anymore.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 1261	Posted - 2014.07.04 09:39:00 - [20] - Quote I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.07.04 10:51:00 - [21] - Quote The OP does have a strong, valid point though. It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun. Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all. With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month. My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache.
Claud Tiberius 50	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:05:00 - [22] - Quote EVE definitely has a lot of repetition in it. If you don't have a wide range of different skills, then you often find yourself doing the same activity over and over and over. Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 965	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:10:00 - [23] - Quote It's easy, really. Are you having fun? . Yes --> play . No --> don't play Regarding grind: are you doing it to build up something (a corp, a new ship, your FC abilities, an virtual industrial empire, whatever) that you actually enjoy? . Yes --> grind on . No --> stop Regarding PLEX and $: is EVE worth 15$/month to you (for each account)? . Yes --> Pay, unless you have hundreds of millions of ISK flying out of your butt for zero to little effort . No --> Unsub one or all accounts, unless you have ISK flying out of your butt We all wish RL was so easy!
Parmala Etoo State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:11:00 - [24] - Quote The game became a job the second you think about plex.. At that time tou are putting time in the game to ear isk to then play... Pay 15$ do pve and pvp with friends and you are playing a game. Start playing your game instead of looking how others work for at -spaceships online-...
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 12	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:18:00 - [25] - Quote Grobalobobob Bob wrote: The OP does have a strong, valid point though. It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun. Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all. With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month. My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache. Yeah and who wants to burn out like that? I mean it goes back to my point that a game is meant to be an escape, or distraction if you will. I see quite a few people complaining about the increase in cost for a PLEX and I sit here scratching my head wondering why these people have made a game into such a job. Instead of that isk going into new ships, skills, or something else it instead just goes towards another month. Now maybe some of these players already have everything they want in the game and the only thing left is to buy PLEX, and in that case I suppose it is a lack of content (player generated or CCP generated). It could also be a lack of new things to buy or tie into perhaps other factors.
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:38:00 - [26] - Quote People that are pissing isk out their avatars back side are ok, but, for normal folks i think you're spot on.
Nick Starkey Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 72	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:41:00 - [27] - Quote And just what makes you think that every other player either takes long to make isk witouth effort or has no entertainment value while making isk? PLEX wouldn't sell as much as it does if this wasn't the case. And it keeps raising price because the average player wealth is only increasing. ..
Christina Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 174	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:47:00 - [28] - Quote Let's all hunt down and kill the OP. And grinding for ISK to pay the sub, just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have. Dear CCP. If your servers have hiccups rendering the portraits, then we'd like to know more about it. Thanks!
Chewytowel Haklar Minmatar Brotherhood 13	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:22:00 - [29] - Quote Christina Project wrote: Let's all hunt down and kill the OP. And grinding for ISK to pay the sub, just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have. Odd that you seem to make a statement that seems more on the side of the point I was hoping to make, and yet you go and say you want to hunt me down... Btw I am in Rens, send everything you've got. :)
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2460	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:24:00 - [30] - Quote Sol, will you send me the killmails when you're done with him please. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:39:00 - [31] - Quote Nick Starkey wrote: The truth is enough people make far more ISK than they know what to do with it, and they either enjoy it or have to put very little effort to it, and this is why PLEX prices keep going up. It's like saying: The truth is, there are enough people making more money than they know what to do with, and they either enjoy it, or have to put very little effort into it, and this is why property prices keep going up... and poor people have to live under bridges..
KaarBaak 301	Posted - 2014.07.04 14:28:00 - [32] - Quote OP totally tricked me. Didn't realize this was (another) "nerf PLEX prices" whine thread. KB
Mythrandier Corporate Scum Cult of War 417	Posted - 2014.07.04 15:50:00 - [33] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie. This man speaks the truth. I can prove his adroit point with a simple 3 word statement. World Of Tanks. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams.
KatanTharkay V I R I I Ineluctable. 23	Posted - 2014.07.04 21:02:00 - [34] - Quote Mythrandier wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie. This man speaks the truth. I can prove his adroit point with a simple 3 word statement. World Of Tanks. WOT is much more fun than EVE will ever be. Stop playing randoms.
Michael Ruckert SECURE TRANSPORTS 159	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:42:00 - [35] - Quote In response to OP, cue EVE theme music. http://youtu.be/lcIK3akktLU "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 929	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:07:00 - [36] - Quote You know what is funny. Plex prices have increased almost proportionally to decline in average net income across the G8. Cost of living has resulted in a skewed plex market in this game. Now people who play to pay have to put in more hours. EVE players have managed to almost create a mirrored economy to the real world. Instead of Gold, and yes I know the defacto global currency is no longer backed by Gold/ but Oil < Gold, PLEX is the economic indicator. What we have is a problem with the system. EVE has a 1%. People who have jobs have an unfair advantage in this game over others. They force players to spend more and more time doing mundane stuff, by inflicting their real world economic difficulties into the game world. PLEX has created a bridge where the rich now devour the poor...and the system lets them do it The flow of income is predominately one way...and I am not talking about the mundane tasks (jobs in the real world) Im talking about the fun factor is blasting asteroids actually fun.... THINK ABOUT THE ((% The 99% can't have there game dictated to by the 1% they get all the breaks, they hold all the cards. It is time for equality in EVE. How can someone poses billions...while the rest of EVE starves. WE ARE THE ((% WE ARE THE ((%
Iain Cariaba Veritas Theory 101	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:28:00 - [37] - Quote I budget for 2 accounts at $15/mo. If I have extra cash I will sub other accounts to train them til they are productive. I will not buy plex to maintain my subs. Do I have fun? Yep, every time I log on until it stops being fun, then I quit for a month or two or 36. What is my cost for fun? No more than I am willing to spend. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 27958	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:36:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah, I agree with the OP. I never could understand the mentality of grinding up ISK to get a PLEX each month to pay for subscription. Definitely cuts out on the fun time. I usually buy a 1 year subscription which is actually the best deal. Cost about $11 a month which isn't very much at all. That way I can log in whenever I want and do whatever I want in game without worrying about making enough ISK to fund a PLEX. Anyway, to each their own. DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan \| California Eve Players \| (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions
Candi LeMew Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 3218	Posted - 2014.07.05 05:16:00 - [39] - Quote Nose' Feliciano wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye. -Hooker's Creed Can confirm. "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 635	Posted - 2014.07.05 05:44:00 - [40] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks. When you quit this awful game, can I have your things? On a more super serious note - I feel that if you looked at any other MMO that has been around as long as EVE online has - you'd find a pretty similar rate of "veteran" players who quit and take long breaks. And on a (citation needed) note, and please don't think I am being sarcastic here.... "... that is shown by it's miniscule (sic) player retention rate" (citation needed) So the retention rate is minuscule compared to... what? And can you provide some data to back this up?
flakeys Guinea pigs inc. 2373	Posted - 2014.07.05 09:12:00 - [41] - Quote Skydell wrote: Unfortunately EVE as a casual game isn't very rewarding. Quite the opposite , in eve you CAN play only a few hours a week and still make a big enough progression in assets/isk while your character is being 'skilled' as fast as the guy who is playing 20 hours a week. The best part is that eve is a game in wich making isk is a matter of picking up the right 'tools' handed to you so you can make a lot more money then the guy playing 3 / 5 / 10 times more hours then you. The thing is though , the people complaining about eve being a grinding game are allmost allways the ones who 'stick to their tool' instead of looking what other options there are.The best example of this type of player are the miner and the missioner . People should not blaim CCP for their own lack of resourcefullness ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Christina Project Screaming Head in a Box. 561	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:49:00 - [42] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Christina Project wrote: Let's all hunt down and kill the OP. And grinding for ISK to pay the sub, just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have. Odd that you seem to make a statement that seems more on the side of the point I was hoping to make, and yet you go and say you want to hunt me down... Btw I am in Rens, send everything you've got. :) Sorry, I didn't actually think I'll get a response. :D How about you meet my sister in Hek? :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - How to stop a Freighter from getting bumped ][ Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7467	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:14:00 - [43] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself. I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care. Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun. Why are you concerned with what other people are doing? Why do you care if someone else is doing a mission or whatever. "A game" means different things to different people. For me EVE and games like it are more hobby than 'game'. Over-bearing concern for how others spend their free time usually means that the person being concern has too much free time. "A game" means different things to different people. For me EVE and games like it are more hobby than 'game',
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7467	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:17:00 - [44] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. The quote is a glimpse into an empty soul that knows neither true passion nor true hard work. +1 for for being some deep lol.
Bel Tika Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 212	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:26:00 - [45] - Quote So what is this then? someone does something i dont like and find boring so how can they enjoy it thread? or omg plex is expensive nerf plex thread?
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7467	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:26:00 - [46] - Quote Grobalobobob Bob wrote: The OP does have a strong, valid point though. It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun. Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all. With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month. My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache. How is 26 million isk per day (a sum that can be had by completing than looting a SINGLE lvl 4 mission like blockade, worlds collide, Drear Pilot Scarlet etc etc) somehow "a lot if isk to farm"? Even just doing an activity that makes 60 million isk per hour (like null sec anomalies in an ishtar or navy Vexor) will get you a plex in 13 hours. Woah, 13 hours is a lot!!! No, it's not, when the activity is damn near afk and the result is 720 hours (one month) of game time. That's just how I do it because I like ratting, but there are TONS of passive isk generation things like PI that people do where they spend a few minutes per day (or even week) and get to play the game for 'free'. the problem isn't the price of plex, it's your ignorance of how to make isk comfortably in a game that damn near throws isk at you.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 549	Posted - 2014.08.04 13:00:00 - [47] - Quote So, if I am reading this correctly, bearing is bad for ISK generation, PVP sucks up all of the ISK, and it's all one long miserable slog. Man, I have been playing this game so very wrong, for quite some time now.
Kharaxus Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2014.08.04 14:10:00 - [48] - Quote I used to wash dishes for a living @ 7$ an hour. It was an excellent job, excellent atmosphere, hot chicks, great place to just let go, etc.... But I wasn't making enough money. I figured I would have to get a second job washing more dishes to get the paycheck I needed. Then I realized if I do better work, versus more work, I would have a better time.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 549	Posted - 2014.08.04 14:48:00 - [49] - Quote Kharaxus wrote: I used to wash dishes for a living @ 7$ an hour. It was an excellent job, excellent atmosphere, hot chicks, great place to just let go, etc.... But I wasn't making enough money. I figured I would have to get a second job washing more dishes to get the paycheck I needed. Then I realized if I do better work, versus more work, I would have a better time. So you became an investment banker with largely passive income, and now snort Drop off of hookers' asses using billion ISK bills? But yeah, seriously, passive income is where it's at. Why just make 50-60m per hour, a few hours per day, when you can make that, plus an extra 4-5m (or more if you get into the right stuff) per hour, constantly? Hell, I made right around 1.5b passively in the last two weeks, and just had to make a couple of trips to Jita to cash out and resupply, and I'm completely new at it, with relatively little as a starting investment.
Grog Aftermath Need more grog 29	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:14:00 - [50] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care. One person's fun is another person's work. It's a sandbox if they play in such a way that it resembles a job, that's up to them. As far as playing to earn enough to be able to buy PLEX to fund the account, that's their choice as nobody is forcing them. Biggest anti-fun factors in this game is the long training times and the high cost of dying especially if you make a habit of it. RL emulation, not surprising as it's a sandbox where people make up a lot of the content one way or another. But it's the same in other MMOs, real people play and a lot of them bring all their old baggage with them. A lot of those people running around doing errands and not grouping are people that don't want to group, which is the same in most MMOs (if not all). Eve also has a reputation for not trusting other players as well which adds to the not wanting to group mind-set.
Kharaxus Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:22:00 - [51] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: So you became an investment banker with largely passive income, and now snort Drop off of hookers' asses using billion ISK bills? Sounds like you too watched Wolf of Wall Street.
Saraki Ishikela Deep Space Adventure Time 56	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:40:00 - [52] - Quote I have 2 accounts, and play casually. I don't mind the monthly subscription fee either. It lets me enjoy the game without worrying about having to earn a set isk value each month. I keep one character in Faction Warfare, I gladly tank my standings and my security status and don't worry about isk too much. I offset my losses with LP when I can. I then keep my Exploration Character, when FW is slow, or I'm low on money I happily run Exploration Sites in Low Sec to make isk for my pvp. I still only play maybe 10 hours a week but I get great satisfaction have 2 characters that allow me to different play styles. One newbies quest to ExploreEVE: Youtube:www.youtube.com/exploreeve- Blogspot:http://exploreeve.blogspot.com Twitter:www.twitter.com/exploreeve - Facebook:www.facebook.com/exploreeve
flakeys Guinea pigs inc. 2373	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:50:00 - [53] - Quote Nose' Feliciano wrote: If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. I know a lot of men who have left their wives for this .... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3536	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:52:00 - [54] - Quote flakeys wrote: Nose' Feliciano wrote: If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. I know a lot of men who have left their wives for this .... wussies, try parenting =][=
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7473	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:56:00 - [55] - Quote Kharaxus wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: So you became an investment banker with largely passive income, and now snort Drop off of hookers' asses using billion ISK bills? Sounds like you too watched Wolf of ~~Wall~~ Jita Street. Fixed
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7473	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:02:00 - [56] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: flakeys wrote: Nose' Feliciano wrote: If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. I know a lot of men who have left their wives for this .... wussies, try parenting unrealted, but hey Ralph,. I got one for you to steal! http://a.imageshack.us/img35/9530/admin2p.gif
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries 42	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:13:00 - [57] - Quote I don't grind missions for my monthly plex, I run PI, which while it is a click fest takes ~ 10 or 15 minutes of my time every night, (this is counting the time it takes for me to switch characters and I have an old crappy computer) actually, I make enough to completely plex my account plus some extra to do silly **** on the side. I do missions when I want to make red x's go boom. I do pvp when I want red x's to make me go boom and it's all really fun
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3538	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:15:00 - [58] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: flakeys wrote: Nose' Feliciano wrote: If it feels like work, it is no longer a game. Ive left many games because of this. I know a lot of men who have left their wives for this .... wussies, try parenting unrealted, but hey Ralph,. I got one for you to steal! http://a.imageshack.us/img35/9530/admin2p.gif ill trade you http://i.imgur.com/caFCCbF.gif =][=
Tao Dolcino Jolly Jumpers Squad 316	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:10:00 - [59] - Quote I think there is a balance to find. An easy game without any effort is nothing more than brainless consumption. I find it awfully shallow and vulgar. But it's just a hobby, i won't let it become excessive. I enjoy my single account, i pay gladly my 15Gé¼ to not have to grind to plex, and i take it serious enough to achieve a few goals i have choosen, but not too serious neither. It's just a game. Like everything else, a question of balance. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1506	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:15:00 - [60] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself. I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care. Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun. Other people enjoy differently.. face it. I woudl cosnider a waste to pay for a gmae and play like you think it shoudl be played. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 553	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:46:00 - [61] - Quote Kharaxus wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: So you became an investment banker with largely passive income, and now snort Drop off of hookers' asses using billion ISK bills? Sounds like you too watched Wolf of Wall Street. Snorting blow off of hooker's asses has been a think since long before that movie came out. But yes, I have seen it. Pretty solid movie.
Tredionis Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:06:00 - [62] - Quote Yes grinding 1h to buy cruser that you lose in pvp in 5min make you left with nothing like you wasnt playing 1h 5 min at all.
Galadriel Vasquez Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 250	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:24:00 - [63] - Quote I bought - The Last Of Us for entertainment on my PS4. It is very good. A seminal video game. That is my fun. EVE is my other job :) I have tin foil hat trained to 5.

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