The truth is enough people make far more ISK than they know what to do with it, and they either enjoy it or have to put very little effort to it, and this is why PLEX prices keep going up.

I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie.

This man speaks the truth. I can prove his adroit point with a simple 3 word statement.

World Of Tanks.

Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks.

Unfortunately EVE as a casual game isn't very rewarding.

Odd that you seem to make a statement that seems more on the side of the point I was hoping to make, and yet you go and say you want to hunt me down...

Btw I am in Rens, send everything you've got. :)

I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself.

I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care.

Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun.

The quote is a glimpse into an empty soul that knows neither true passion nor true hard work.

The OP does have a strong, valid point though.

It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun.

Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all.

With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month.

My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache.

I used to wash dishes for a living @ 7$ an hour. It was an excellent job, excellent atmosphere, hot chicks, great place to just let go, etc....

But I wasn't making enough money.

I figured I would have to get a second job washing more dishes to get the paycheck I needed. Then I realized if I do better work, versus more work, I would have a better time.

I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care.

So you became an investment banker with largely passive income, and now snort Drop off of hookers' asses using billion ISK bills?

If it feels like work, it is no longer a game.

Ive left many games because of this.

I know a lot of men who have left their wives for this ....

Sounds like you too watched Wolf of Wall Jita Street.

wussies, try parenting

unrealted, but hey Ralph,. I got one for you to steal!

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I used to think that games were meant to be escapes, you log in and you let go. The world itself lets you escape into it and you make the game what it is by the experiences you have and the friends you make. Somewhere along the line it seems even a game became a job, with people carrying on multiple accounts, bots, or even using third party services in these massively multiplayer games. When you can't just play a game and let go it seems to become some kind of indentured servitude where you log in just to do things that will hopefully allow you to play the game the way you want and truly enjoy yourself.

I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoyed. I feel that it is disturbing when others feel they have to earn their game time just so they can do what they want to do. I get that it is cool to be able to forgo having to pay and therefore play the game free for a set time. However, what is the true cost that is involved when forgoing paying the $15 a month fee to play EVE and build content that will inspire others to just play. The very thought of having to grind to earn Isk and waste away time doing things which are boring sucks to me. Aren't we the game? Aren't the people what make the experience noteworthy and worth it to bother to log in every day? I see you people grinding out missions and carrying out tasks just like you might in real life and seemingly lacking the ability to just let go. What happens in a game when we emulate life inside of it letting it be nothing more then a sheer reflection of who we are as a people? Everyone seeming to run around and do errands as the new player logs in looking for others to play with that are too busy to care.

Can we just let go. I challenge you to let go, let live, and have fun.