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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.25 10:53:00 -
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Thanks to the lovely folks at The Traders Lounge I'm offering shares out on Prigogine technologies.
The business is already running and details can be found here on my blog or here in the coffee shop at the lounge
Or you can check on the sales thread here
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Phil Reacher
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:38:00 -
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put me down for a 1000
convo or eve-mail me in game to sort it out
cheers
Phil Reacher
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Aeil
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:41:00 -
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I'll have 1000
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RogueWing
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Posted - 2006.06.25 13:25:00 -
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I'll take 1000. Catch me ingame when you are online please.
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Standing Bear
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Posted - 2006.06.25 14:24:00 -
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I will take 1,000 shares. Isk sent to Prigogine CEO NeOnicus.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.25 17:10:00 -
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I'll take 1000 shares plz.
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Miner Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:52:00 -
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I will take 1000
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Salazar N'terre
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:53:00 -
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put me down for 1k shares. in 3 hours i get off work, ill send money then.
"ICT BPC Sales!""I Live in my OWN LITTLE WORLD....but its okay, they know me HERE!"
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Ian hawk
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:56:00 -
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hmmm ok put me down for 1k.
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Construction
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Posted - 2006.06.25 19:03:00 -
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cool idea, put me down for 1k if any are left.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.25 19:34:00 -
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I was thinking of doing this myself, but it's easier to just invest in yours. Lazy 4tw!
I'll take 1000, and evemail if they're still available, and I'll send the isk.
Thanks.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:15:00 -
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I've set asaide shares for you all.
9,500 shares remain.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:23:00 -
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I'll take annother thousand.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:37:00 -
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I'll take a 1000 shares.
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Incendiary Lover
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Posted - 2006.06.25 21:30:00 -
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I will tak 1000 shares please
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 25/06/2006 22:15:15
1k shares please
I assume this will be listed on the EGSE once the IPO finishes (soon after, at least)?
BTW I've sent money to Neonicus.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Barbicane
This looks like a nice little business, at least as long as there are no competitors, but why would you need to do an IPO? How do you plan to spend the cash you are raising?
Its probably to buy POSs and labs (which are expensive) and to provide collateral on BPOs.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:12:00 -
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This looks like a nice little business, at least as long as there are no competitors, but why would you need to do an IPO? How do you plan to spend the cash you are raising?
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Devestor
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:02:00 -
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Hit me up with 1000, ill send the isk tonight. |
Dasumae
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:02:00 -
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I'll take 1000 as well, someone i wont mention told me about your prospect, looks promising! |
Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.06.25 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Its probably to buy POSs and labs (which are expensive) and to provide collateral on BPOs.
Possibly, but do you know that or are you just speculating?
If he's planning to expand within safe space there will be some definite problems since the corp standings are currently below 5.0 with all empire factions.
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Fitzmaurice
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Posted - 2006.06.26 03:57:00 -
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it is in safe space already (i've seen the pos). it is also already operational (and somewhat rented out). the ipo was to raise capital for funding the pos including getting a slush fund, having money for collateral, and buying fuel. i believe it is all covered in the full ipo (the link in the op's post). the idea was both to raise capital, and increase investor confidence after the sve mess. and at a maximum 5 million isk per investor, this would be the cheapest and worse scam ever.
cheers.
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Burno
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Posted - 2006.06.26 05:29:00 -
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i will take 1000
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Lucinda Rae
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Posted - 2006.06.26 05:35:00 -
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i am interested in 1000 if there are still some available
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Fitzmaurice
it is in safe space already (i've seen the pos). it is also already operational (and somewhat rented out). the ipo was to raise capital for funding the pos including getting a slush fund, having money for collateral, and buying fuel. i believe it is all covered in the full ipo (the link in the op's post). the idea was both to raise capital, and increase investor confidence after the sve mess. and at a maximum 5 million isk per investor, this would be the cheapest and worse scam ever.
cheers.
I don't doubt the pos is up and running since the corp's founder had high enough standing to install the pos just before leaving the corp. What I'm saying is that it will hard to expand operations within safe space.
And no, there was no information in either of the links to explain how the IPO money would be invested. The OP specifically stated he would cover collaterals out of his own pocket. That's what made me wonder why the IPO was needed in the first place, especially as it is only going to bring in 220 mil.
'Raise investor confidence' you say... Why on earth would anyone spend time and effort to do that... unless he has something to gain from it in the long run? Is he perhaps trying to do an O'Mara and work up a good reputation for himself? Sorry, but there are too many questions left unanswered here.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:53:00 -
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Let's see if I can clear up some of those questions:
1. Hard to expand in safe space.
Very true. Can't argue with that at all. Neonicus is building on his standings, but these things take time - which is why I hired someone to do it for me originally. As things stand the business has been running for 2 days, I'd rather have a little bit longer under my belt before looking to expand.
2. The IPO cash is going where?
The original bit I wrote about covering collaterol personally has been altered. It was pointed out to me that it would be incredibly difficult to provide a paper trail for such a system, so I personally dumped several hundred mil of my own cash into the slush fund. I could have afforded to run this whole thing on my own, but that brings me to the next question...
3. Raise investor confidence? WHY GOD WHY?
Barbicane kind of nailed it. I'd like a reputation... a good one. Plus, not everything in EVE is about ISK. It's a game and so far I found this whole deal to be quite fun. Level4 and Fitzmaurice have been fantastic and have made me chuckle plenty. Recent scams have hit this side of the game hard, and many "little guys" have lost out. I see alot of people moaning they lost 200mil, but they can earn that back in a couple of hours - but it's the guys who lost 20 and it will take them alot longer to earn it back that need to be shown that there are trustworthy people. I like this side of the game, I think it's going to grow rapidly and it's largely thanks to folks like O'Mara and ISS. Too many lotteries and other share schemes seem to require large investments, this one tops out at 5mil which is cheaper than some cruisers. Had a chat with EMFI about this last night, he wanted to invest but wanted more than the 1k shares - I said no because the LAST thing I wanted this to be was a footnote, despite the great things EMFI have done.
4. Will you be listed on EGSE?
This should be listed on EGSE soon. I think I'm in the queue to be entered.
5. Are any shares left?
No idea. I'm at work! For anyone who I've already said I've set some aside for I'll hold on until Tuesday to be paid. FOr those who've sent ISK I'll send you shares back, unless they were all taken by people who paid before you, in which case I'll refund you.
Hopefully that will have put some minds at ease :)
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.26 08:32:00 -
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I still think it is mean that everyone is allowed 5m/investor, but EMFI is only allowed 12.5k/investor investment :)
talk about hurting the little guys :)
Alt of Naphtalia
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 08:36:00 -
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You again!
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Level4
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:06:00 -
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emfi,
As Felix repeatedly said, this is not about making billions of isk..
This IPO is as much about giving confidence back to the small investors (and you dont qualify as a small investor) as it is about testing the viability of setting up a POS in a high-sec system. Its been 6 months since CCP introduced this feature, and I haven't seen anyone trying to take advantage of it.
I fully support intiatives like this, start small and grow.. thats exactly how O`mara started..
Keep going felix..
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Ulle
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Posted - 2006.06.26 09:50:00 -
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Considering the original and new business model from Felix, I think he started the best
possible way, sharing the risks with those buying shares while at the same time keeping the risked capitals for them at very low levels - this is how I interpret the 5M limit. I surely can risk those disappearing from my wallet.
The capital he raised is more or less in the same magnitude as De Mont's Everyshore Fund, so nothing really new there, and it's probably the only hope for those without a big name, after all the recent scams ... I don't know if he would have been able to raise, say, 5 or 10b without requiring a much more complex deal with EIB or some other community trusted entity, and this for something that may not work or may not be productive.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:22:00 -
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One thing I've been thinking is that a lot of major IPOs in the next few months will be small IPOs.
Character Training Industries was for 2.5b.
This was for, what, 450m?
O'Mara was for 1b.
Everyshore was originally for a mere 120m.
These kind of IPOs can't really be scams unless the owner is an idiot: who would sacrifice a main character for a billion or two?
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Arktaos
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:59:00 -
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Actually O'Mara was for less than 100 million, only enough to buy a cruiser bpo. The shares got sold on auction however and reached very high prices.
I think it's great to see lots of small IPO's around, makes investments all the more interesting.
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Ulle
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
These kind of IPOs can't really be scams unless the owner is an idiot: who would sacrifice a main character for a billion or two?
I've been thinking about this question a lot since all the GPSx/SVE events.
I think we're slightly overstimating the effect that a scam can have on someone's game life. Unless he uses "trust" in his business, and I can think about very few activities that need it, a scammer can often pass the scam unscathed or, like we saw for SVE, even gain in reputation. At worst he might have to change corp/alliance, but that's it, the rest will be mend by time ... few months and most is forgotten. Hell, the fame of "being evul" can be even something to look for, for many.
What does a pvper, an agent runner, an npc corp member just to list few examples, do with trading scam reputation anyway ?
What happened to those that had primary roles in the past stock scams ?
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ulle
I think we're slightly overstimating the effect that a scam can have on someone's game life.
I don't think we're overestimating, if anything victims are overstating the effect. Alot of emotions and threats of quitting get thrown around in the wake of a big scam.
This is getting a little off topic now, I'd appreciate it if further discussions of scamming weren't held in my IPO thread :) lol
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:22:00 -
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1k shares please if there are any left 
My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Lazlow
This is getting a little off topic now, I'd appreciate it if further discussions of scamming weren't held in my IPO thread :) lol
Defensive behaviour (1 tick on the A.R.S.E. rating) hmmm got something to hide? :)
(j/k)
Alt of Naphtalia
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:58:00 -
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You again.... again!
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Aaro'ne Erviale
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aaro''ne Erviale on 26/06/2006 14:20:31
Will try and add you on the applied list when I get home from work.
EMFi,
are you still upset on the investing limitation?
You're starting to sound very frustrated ... 
greetz,
Aaro'ne Erviale
CEO of EVE Galactic Stock Exchange
Quote:
As a buyer and seller of shares this is the place i want to be.
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Lazlow
Let's see if I can clear up some of those questions:
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Thanks. I think you covered most of it. I just wish that info had been in the IPO prospect to start with. I expect all shares were sold while I was asking questions again but I would never buy into a project where I didn't understand the business model.
Hint to the next person doing an IPO: Include all relevant information from start, or have a few days of Q&A before launching the share sales.
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Galec
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:29:00 -
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If there are any left, put me down for 1,000 Shares. Evemail me (Galec) with a confirmation and I'll wire over the money asap.
Thanks,
Galec
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Lazlow
2006.06.25 20:12
I have set aside 1,000 shares for you. Please send the 5mil to myself and I'll issue the shares asap.
Felix.
ISK sent when this was recieved, still no shares in my wallet. Not worried yet, and I'll give you another 24 hours from the time of this post to get it sorted out. Thanks.
Proof of payment
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Felix Lazlow
2006.06.25 20:12
I have set aside 1,000 shares for you. Please send the 5mil to myself and I'll issue the shares asap.
Felix.
ISK sent when this was recieved, still no shares in my wallet. Not worried yet, and I'll give you another 24 hours from the time of this post to get it sorted out. Thanks.
Proof of payment
Got mine shortly after he contacted me, *glares at Felix*.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:46:00 -
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Shares received, no problems.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:49:00 -
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All shares have been sent to everyone who's paid.
9,000 shares remain - all of which have been booked but haven't been paid for.
7,000 to 7 guys from the traders lounge who have until Tuesday to pay before I release them to the next in line.
Incendiary Lover & Dasumae are the two with the other 2k. Again, until Tuesday to pay or they fall to the next folks inline on this thread.
So thats it, all done. Thanks to everyone for posting in here, sorry to Barbicane for not being clearer - will do better in future.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:56:00 -
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I've yet to receive mine and the ISK has been sent. I did notice you were just on also.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:02:00 -
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Give me 5 minutes. I'll be on in a second.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:36:00 -
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Transfered, thank you.
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Elange4
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:31:00 -
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Barbicane,
Most of those questions were answered long ago to the people in the Trader's Lounge IPO site - Finance Street - where this particular IPO took shape.
Other successful IPO to emerge from our explorations there include: Everyshore (ESINV); Templi Cube (OT-TS); and to some extent O'Mara (OMARA).
We'd love to have you and anyone else here involved in the discussion. Traders and open-minded people of any type are welcomed...
--Elange4/Trader's Lounge
Trader's Lounge - Finance Street
No Alts please - you must register for the site in-game
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Cherybol
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:33:00 -
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Felix, i wont be online until tuesday night so please hold onto mine.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:44:00 -
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No problem.
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Incendiary Lover
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Posted - 2006.06.27 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Lazlow
All shares have been sent to everyone who's paid.
9,000 shares remain - all of which have been booked but haven't been paid for.
7,000 to 7 guys from the traders lounge who have until Tuesday to pay before I release them to the next in line.
Incendiary Lover & Dasumae are the two with the other 2k. Again, until Tuesday to pay or they fall to the next folks inline on this thread.
So thats it, all done. Thanks to everyone for posting in here, sorry to Barbicane for not being clearer - will do better in future.
Isk sent - awaiting shares :)
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Kiril Threndor
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:53:00 -
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I sent 5m 2 days ago and still have no shares in wallet.
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:12:00 -
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Shares have been sent.
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Dasumae
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:45:00 -
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Please hold onto mine until tonight. And devestor is a buddy of mine. Hold onto his to. If you can.
We work together, and wont be home till later this evening. :)
Note, were on the east coast of the us. So idk if we will be online around your time. So if we send the isk when we get on. Incase you arnt there. And get the shares whenever?
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Kiril Threndor
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:58:00 -
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Thanks for the shares Felix, all recieved fine now.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:49:00 -
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If you end up not getting paid for some, I'll take 1,000 shares off your hands (or whatever you have available). Convo or eve-mail me in game :)
EVEBay
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Incendiary Lover
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:57:00 -
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shares received ... here is to a successfull venture ...
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Felix Lazlow
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Posted - 2006.06.28 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dasumae
Please hold onto mine until tonight. And devestor is a buddy of mine. Hold onto his to. If you can.
We work together, and wont be home till later this evening. :)
Note, were on the east coast of the us. So idk if we will be online around your time. So if we send the isk when we get on. Incase you arnt there. And get the shares whenever?
I can hold onto yours, however all the shares have been purchased and paid for apart from the ones you booked. Sadly, devestor has missed out.
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Sarf
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:32:00 -
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put me down for 1000
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Rask
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:37:00 -
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put m down fo a 1000
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