PLEX nearing 900m--thoughts?

I love all of the wild speculation in here when a well-known trillionaire and character trader has stated the correct reason PLEX have spiked.

They'll fall slightly soon but continue to trend upward medium term.

I can understand a slow and steady increase of plex prices due to inflation and other factors, but COME ON.

I bought a plex ONE WEEK AGO for 725 mil. The lowest I can find right now is 811 mil in Jita, 825 mil everywhere else.

Buncha crap.

UTM

PS. In less than 12 hours, lowest price has risen to 814 mil.

PSS. AAaaaand in another 8 hours, lowest price has risen to 821 mil!

Kwark is blowing his own trumpet - trying to attribute a grand economic change to his own activities.

I just wonder why he made those 250+ chars in a time where PLEX prices are increasing and demand for these pre-built alts is dropping like a stone.

Kwark is blowing his own trumpet - trying to attribute a grand economic change to his own activities.

I just wonder why he made those 250+ chars in a time where PLEX prices are increasing and demand for these pre-built alts is dropping like a stone.

Even doing ****** level 4's in highsec will get you enough money for a plex in 1-2 days.

Rather annoying really since I'm far too lazy to make isk via PVE

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

You clearly don't know anything about this game. If you can't do more than 2-3 missions per hour I dunno what's wrong with your brain but you probably should get checked for some sort of mental degeneracy.

Still, the man is touching upon a point in a roundabout way. Making isk in eve has never been simpler, the creation of tools such as fuzzworks have made high isk/lp conversions possible for the masses, minmatar fw has achieved stable dominance as the isk making faction, incursions have been pretty much worked out and people hold your hands through them while renting (read afk botting anoms) has never been easier to get into.

The amount of work needed for an idiot to make 800m is considerably less than it was for the same idiot 3 years ago to make 400m.

Wich is the only reason why plex can even rise to the current level , yet we have people complaining all over the boards for CCP to ''do something'' . Offcourse it's easier to ask a developer to step in then actually using your brain just for a moment to figure out that '' your isk per hour ratio SUCKS big time compared to others'' and that it's about time to change the way you earn your isk because it really has become an iskgrind in the current way you do it.

But then who wants to think in a game where it is so much easier to generate income by just warping to a belt , lock roids , watch tv''.

Console yourself thinking that EvE is stil relatively "elite" in its player base. I am also playing ESO and they have just butchered the one fun thing in that game (challenging veteran levels) to cater to the masses who could not manage FIVE keys.

You can tell that most of the people in this thread are old school vets. It's only "easy" to make big ISK if you've got all the skills, tools, and accounts necessary to do so.

I challenge each of you to start a fresh 14-day trial (no Power of Two, no PLEX), andstart playing the game like a total noob. Don't transfer ISK or assets between characters. Don't help your new character out with your previously existing characters. Don't accept ISK or assets from existing friends/corpmates. Don't join your current corp. For bonus points, don't use special information/experience that you have access to for the purpose of playing the market. Play as a true noob.

When you have enough ISK to have a stable of ships for your tasks, plus some backups for PvP, and enough for PLEX, THEN tell everyone how "easy" it is.

You can tell that most of the people in this thread are old school vets. It's only "easy" to make big ISK if you've got all the skills, tools, and accounts necessary to do so.

I challenge each of you to start a fresh 14-day trial (no Power of Two, no PLEX), andstart playing the game like a total noob. Don't transfer ISK or assets between characters. Don't help your new character out with your previously existing characters. Don't accept ISK or assets from existing friends/corpmates. Don't join your current corp. For bonus points, don't use special information/experience that you have access to for the purpose of playing the market. Play as a true noob.

When you have enough ISK to have a stable of ships for your tasks, plus some backups for PvP, and enough for PLEX, THEN tell everyone how "easy" it is.

Look out, we have ourselves a bad-ass here.

We need our economist back, let us know what is going on.

Keynesian spotted.

fuzzworks have made high isk/lp conversions possible for the masses,

minmatar fw has achieved stable dominance as the isk making faction,

incursions have been pretty much worked out and people hold your hands through them

while renting (read afk botting anoms) has never been easier to get into.

The amount of work needed for an idiot to make 800m is considerably less than it was for the same idiot 3 years ago to make 400m.

They've admitted to releasing PLEX that were on banned accounts, which would have otherwise hit the market at some point or been used, but I see no reason to assume CCP would poof them into existence. That's essentially comping someone's monthly sub fee.



So what? If you aren't able to pay CCP or have someone else pay CCP in your stead, they're not gaining anything by simply handing you free game time in the form of seeding PLEX themselves.



I don't think isbox is the issue, just a symptom. Neither is renting, which is merely an arrangement between bears and pvp'ers to utilize space that they both want to enjoy. The issue at hand is merely multi-account usership and plex faucets in general. More and more players over the years have discovered two things about EVE:

1. If not absolutely vital for your niche in the game, it's highly preferable that you have more than one account, and many professions scale extremely well with account numbers with or without the aid of isbox. This brings plays who have a short-term windfall of isk + a power of two deal or some other promotion to cash in immediately on more accounts. Only much later when many more players do this is the aggregate effect being felt.

2. ISK faucets are plentiful and easy to tap into. Mission farming, anom ratting, and other isk faucets are staples of pve content and they continuously flood the market with new isk. What's more, even ship destruction itself generates more isk by way of the insurance system. So unless a pilot is dumb enough to buy an insurance plan and let it expire, even if they purchase no insurance at all, the demise of their ship is yet-another isk faucet. Minerals and modules are destroyed, but the supply of isk in the game economy goes up, therefor prices in general rise.

So what we're dealing with here isn't a mere speculative bubble, although i'm sure speculation is feeding into the loop at this point. What we're seeing is the culmination of years upon years of making multiclienting the norm, the popular culture of the "I plex all my accounts so I play for free," meme, and the onerous effects of universal inflation due to unchecked isk faucets.

Given that we're seeing this much of a price hike now, in the summer, when traditionally prices would be lower due to decreased activity; I think it's safe to say that come fall we're either going to see billion isk plex or a fundamental change in how a lot of the more casual multi-client users play the game. They will either have to adapt to a more farming-intensive lifestyle or they will need to cut back on the number of accounts they support. Considering the latter could be a serious competitive disadvantage, I think many players will try to ride out the storm on their savings first, meaning that we'll see critical mass only when those stores of isk have been significantly dented.

You can tell that most of the people in this thread are old school vets. It's only "easy" to make big ISK if you've got all the skills, tools, and accounts necessary to do so.

I challenge each of you to start a fresh 14-day trial (no Power of Two, no PLEX), andstart playing the game like a total noob. Don't transfer ISK or assets between characters. Don't help your new character out with your previously existing characters. Don't accept ISK or assets from existing friends/corpmates. Don't join your current corp. For bonus points, don't use special information/experience that you have access to for the purpose of playing the market. Play as a true noob.

When you have enough ISK to have a stable of ships for your tasks, plus some backups for PvP, and enough for PLEX, THEN tell everyone how "easy" it is.