Little code interpretation question:

Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?

it won't protect you from being afk, and if you are not afk, you can protect yourself.

This hypothetical situation assumes everyone is at their keyboard.

Do the gankers, ahem, agents of the code provide the chance to purchase a permit, or do they just gank everything not on the list?

Newsflash : If you purchase a permit, you'll make yourself look like a massive nerd to everyone in EVE. It's like a mark of shame. You're better off just being aligned to something.

I don't mine. Nor do I autopilot golems full of officer mods ;-)

But yeah, paying these guys is kind of stupid, just a hazard that comes with EVE, and it makes bots slightly less profitable, so ok by me. And their blog is kind of funny in a 'I Drink Your Milkshake' kind of way.

The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.

Usually they just gank everything not on the list. Mostly miners then say "I would have bought a permit"

So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.

So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.

I disagree, it's THE most important thing a miner can do!

Buying a permit shows they follow The Code. Miners who follow The Code never get ganked.

Seems to me, a permit is the best investment a Code compliant miner can purchase!

I disagree, it's THE most important thing a miner can do!

Buying a permit shows they follow The Code. Miners who follow The Code never get ganked.

Seems to me, a permit is the best investment a Code compliant miner can purchase!

If you're not afk, you don't actually need a permit to avoid getting ganked.

If you're afk, it's a violation of the agreement between the two parties, so it won't help you avoid getting ganked.

So why get one at all?

This one.....this one thinks way too much. She may become a problem.









Now, in all seriousness, you are kind of hitting the point behind a lot of New Order actions right on the head. We want people to realise they're playing a multiplayer game, with other people, who can and will influence their gameplay. If you're awake, ATK, paying attention, and doing all those "I don't wanna be ganked" things, it's kind of a moral victory for us. You're PLAYING EVE, not just running the EVE client while watching ****.

I mean, we still want that permit fee and all, but...moral victory!

So, leaving that aside, what would be the actual benefits of purchasing a mining permit? Honestly, I think it could be a great product, I'm just having a hard time understanding why people would want it.

So, leaving that aside, what would be the actual benefits of purchasing a mining permit? Honestly, I think it could be a great product, I'm just having a hard time understanding why people would want it.

Well, the "honest" reason would be that the permit holder supports our cause, and is willing to contribute 10mil ISK to the coffers while playing along with the whole "New Order controls Highsec" game that the GMs kinda foisted on us.

The actual reason is, most permit purchasers seem to think "bought permit" means "Immune to New Order ganking". The latter gets disproved in hilariously amusing ways when said permit purchasers find themselves ganked.

Well, the "honest" reason would be that the permit holder supports our cause, and is willing to contribute 10mil ISK to the coffers while playing along with the whole "New Order controls Highsec" game that the GMs kinda foisted on us.

Now we're starting to get somewhere. What would the benefits be for the permit holder if he were to support the New Order as an entity?

Now we're starting to get somewhere. What would the benefits be for the permit holder if he were to support the New Order as an entity?

Less competition on the mineral market since the pressure of ganks shifts the barge of choice from max-yield Hulks or Mackinaws to tanked Mackinaws or Skiffs.

I know we say this facetiously a lot, but go look around for yourself a bit and see how many Hulks you find compared to other ships, and then imagine what the mining ecosystem would look like if everyone knew they would never face anything more hazardous than a belt rat.


That 10mil permit you bought? That's 4-5 T1 fit Catalysts, which can also be thought of as two greedy competitors going down in flames.

Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.

Out of curiosity, are CODE's alts automatically permit tanked (assuming that these alts always adhere to the code)?