So you want to turn power projection from an account-bound option (requires a character online with cynosural field operation skill and properly fit ship (even if it is a noob ship), to an option that has no such limitation and allows them to jump to literally every system in range with absolutely no effort?

Hell no.

Idiots will die in droves, which is good. But the good players will abuse the crap out of this.

I don't see a problem with capitals jumping to the sun without help. I think they should all land at the sun beacon so that it can be camped and/or bubbled to trap them when they arrive.

cyno's still work? as in this would just be an alternative if one was wanting to gamble?

Just my opinion, but like anything else in EVE, if you choose to operate solo or simply with less help on this detail, you can and should be able to do so.
The additional risk present for solo or small group activity is an expected thing.

Add in to this, jumping caps can use this to have a different style of help, in the form of more dedicated support clearing the LZ, not a cyno ship specifically taking the place of a better fighting option.
(Be it fitting choices or actual ship hull for cyno use itself)

I'm still not sure if a normal cyno would work and this addition is just that an addition or is this the only way to jump caps?

I've always wondered why there even needed to be this "cyno alt" person in a noob ship with a lightbulb equipped and water in their hull to "shine a light" for a capital to lock on and jump to. It would just be simpler. Capital locks onto a system, spools their drive, then jumps.

If the system is a sov owned system and the owners have a Jump Portal Generator in a pos, the person would jump to that. If not, just randomly in the system (nearby some celestial, but the sun's probably optimal). This would not stop people from using an alt to scout the system, this just would not require them to have a cyno alt (or in some cases, several dozen) just to jump a ship. Afraid a system in camped, ask your buddy to check it. If its clear, target the system and jump your boat.

Yea the location is random. Yes you run the risk of losing the ship, but you are no longer required to maintain this chain of cyno people just to move your carrier/freighter/supercap around in.

I just found this "you need a cyno alt" to move a capital silly. A scout should be the only thing you need if you want to move your ship around safely, not some sub 900,000 skill point character in a noob ship with a lightbulb attached.

Give this jump a 30-45 second delay (locking onto the sun or some jazz) and put a warpable beacon in the target system somewhere ongrid with the spot the ship will pop out (not right on top though). Defenders can respond in time. So this cant really be used offensively ( aside from as a distraction tactic)

Seeing as I made a thread with a similar suggestion a week ago, I can't say "no", but at the same time, I can't say I think this would be a good thing to implement for every jump-capable ship- it may serve better as an ability reserved for specific ship classes, like the Black Ops, given the more covert nature of this form of travel.

Even though needing cynos is bothersome, I don't think it should be able to be bypassed completely by any ship pilot, including super pilots..

Just my two cents

Oh, well if the default sun grid is the landing space, then that makes it a lot more reasonable

I keep thinking of the 'anywhere within x AU of the star' idea from the other thread, I guess

All stations should have a cyno beacon that anyone can fuel and light. bam problem of noob ship cynos solved for normal caps.

With the new "power projection thread" in full swing I wanted to separate this idea in the hopes of drawing opinions regarding this proposed mechanic.

Simply put, allow any jump capable ship to use the in-game capital navigation tool (you have to bind a key for it) to allow them to jump to systems instead of cyno use, This kind of jump would use the sun as jump point.

Why?
it puts capitals that move at risk.

Current senario for moving down a cyno chain;
Jump, dock, undock, repeat.

The existing mechanics not only allow practically instantaneous travel, it allows for virtually 100% safe instantaneous travel. What I propose gives people the option to make mistakes, Do you scout the systems or just jump blindly? It also opens the door for capital choke points which can be camped similar to conventional gates.

Just a small Idea :P

this would work to the advantage of the blob mentality... big NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We need to break the we are larger we own the win button in this game otherwise only a few dozen people will control who gets all the shinny toys.... not fair the isk distribution in this game is skewed...

this would work to the advantage of the blob mentality... big NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We need to break the we are larger we own the win button in this game otherwise only a few dozen people will control who gets all the shinny toys.... not fair the isk distribution in this game is skewed...

I believe your philosophy expressed here has a fatal flaw.

That flaw being this, the assumption that any mechanic which scales with participation favors that added participation.
This assumes too much, I believe.

What we have currently, a system that demands a separate account to initiate a cyno, penalizes small groups and solo operations by placing an obstacle between them and this ability.
By example and operation, THIS is what favors large groups or alliances, since it is an obstacle they can always handle more easily than a smaller group.
They ALWAYS have enough accounts available to spare one or more for cyno duty.

By leveling the requirements, this idea would open up opportunities for more smaller group options and tactics.
That clone vat on the titan or rorqual? It has meaning if the pilots cannot slow boat inties across the gates to the system in question.

The concept of a sun grid being the new bottleneck like a gate, will do more to promote interaction by far than requiring a cyno.
We have already seen how the cyno need is often being met, with alt puppets rather than additional players.

Knowing that the caps will land in certain systems, however, and gate camps can grow to meet the opportunity.

the cyno alts just turn into scouts to make sure system is empty if not find one in range that is empty.

Jump to system. Cloak. Wait for cap to regenerate. Have sandwich in meantime. Decloak. Jump. Repeat. Don't forget to stock up on sandwiches.

I kinda like it, but if I jump to a system like this with no randomness (i.e. land anywhere on a grid or closer) I'm pretty much guaranteed to die (there will be hictors/dictors cloaked on grid and an assassination squad waiting). If it is to any great degree random, it is safe (the cloak). I do not feel this solution addresses the proposed problem.

If the problem is relying on a puppet alt to cyno for you, it fixes that.

If it is wanting to be safe, then no, absolutely not. This is risk by virtue of the fact you would be jumping into the unknown, if you had no scout.