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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:27:00 -
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For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:31:00 -
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"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Grunanca
Doughboys Overload Everything
272
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:37:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.
All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal? |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:38:00 -
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Grr goons? |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:39:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
So your saying a 30m sp pilot is 16b according to current plex price? Nobody is going to pay that. 32b for a 60m pilot? 64b for a 120m sp pilot?
No way dude. Of course they are below price because plex prices are high because of speculation and free market. Hell Id probably take 16b for mine and im 51m sp lol. maybe.
My sub runs out in about 16 hours anyways, im tempted to just firesale him and see how much I could get but I just cant be bothered to make a thread in bazaar. :P Ill just let him sit and get ate by maggots. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:54:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. GǪwhich probably didn't have anything to do with, for a long time, there was no real industry in building characters for resale, much less time enough to bring them up to 100M+ SP.
Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
205
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:56:00 -
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the going rate for characters has been in the 330-400 m range per million SP for quite a while, depending on the focus and demand for rare skills
you're instead suggesting 533, i haven't seen that for quite some time |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:57:00 -
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Meanwhile - I've reached 10 mil SP - \o/ hurray me!
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled Accepting donations for a Nestor (every 1 ISK counts) |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. GǪwhich probably didn't have anything to do with, for a long time, there was no real industry in building characters for resale, much less time enough to bring them up to 100M+ SP. Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?
Pretty much this. What good would be a bunch of isk if you stop playing? Now you should get worried if people sell those 100 million + chars for real money on Ebay or character selling/RMT sites. After all, if you decided on quiting Eve anyway, that EULA isn't muct of an deterrent anymore. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áPlease refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áRemoved part of the post for not having enough pssssshhhhhh. ISD Ezwal.-á*Snip* |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
461
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:08:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market; 2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts; 3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more.
Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:16:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market; 2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts; 3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more. Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone. You don't sound like you actually have lots of experience in the matter, like Mr. Epeen for example. It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
461
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:23:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week. Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate : 1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why : - people stop playing - people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market; 2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts; 3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more. Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone. You don't sound like you actually have lots of experience in the matter, like Mr. Epeen for example.
ok
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:38:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:ok Not clicking that. And do you actually trade a lot of characters, like Mr. Epeen? It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Anthar Thebess
585
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:39:00 -
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Well you are not selling character useful to you. Alts are mostly <20mil sp characters, specialized, or any level sp industrial characters.
Eve will not die, but it is not in good health either. Current number of active people - those who bother to login - is similar to this that we had in 2008.
If people are leaving , i wonder why.
Yes sov needs fixing. Power projection also discourages people from login.
Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat. Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).
Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:09:00 -
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Personally... I think it's just people selling off alts they don't use often enough to warrant 800 million ISK for a PLEX each month. One good thing about the PLEX prices right now is a lot of alts are leaving the game, and we can see how many people are actually playing. The EVE numbers show it, just check out the history on eve-offline. |
Anthar Thebess
588
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:38:00 -
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You can have 3 alts on account. Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.
Suspend account ... and wait for better days.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2285
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:50:00 -
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I stopped at your highly scientific observations that led to the determination of the market being flooded.
IMO I have seen a fair number of high SP characters for sale, so I'm not convinced just by your word that there has actually been a significant change.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:55:00 -
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I posted here to check if my assumptions are correct, i'm observing market fof a while ~ 2y+ and 3-4 high sp characters on each page is something new for me. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:56:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:You can have 3 alts on account. Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.
Suspend account ... and wait for better days.
Because of the high plex prices i have just done this. I moved a 25 million sp industry al to one of my other accounts, and closed that account.
So CCP is down one account.
Hey, its not my problem. If plex prices go down again to 400-500 million i gladly restart that account or take another third one. Its their call. :)
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
663
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:01:00 -
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PLEX prices are about as much CCP's call as character bazaar rates are.
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Anthar Thebess
589
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:02:00 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:You can have 3 alts on account. Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.
Suspend account ... and wait for better days.
Because of the high plex prices i have just done this. I moved a 25 million sp industry al to one of my other accounts, and closed that account. So CCP is down one account. Hey, its not my problem. If plex prices go down again to 400-500 million i gladly restart that account or take another third one. Its their call. :)
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:08:00 -
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I'm pro-Amarr I'm all for slave trade. Works as intended TM. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
635
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:17:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Well you are not selling character useful to you. Alts are mostly <20mil sp characters, specialized, or any level sp industrial characters.
Eve will not die, but it is not in good health either. Current number of active people - those who bother to login - is similar to this that we had in 2008.
If people are leaving , i wonder why.
Yes sov needs fixing. Power projection also discourages people from login.
Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat. Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).
Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.
They eliminated a lot of demand for Alts from the simply jet can alt to the 40 man Ice mining we used to see. During one of the skill prerequisite restructures, two of my mains had huge amounts of skills go green check that weren't there before. When I made my accounts they were designed to be dedicated empire chars and whatever they did, I now pretty much have 4 mains with all racials up to and including Capital if I start shelling out for the Carrier, Dread and Titan books. They aren't requisite locked like they used to be. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
463
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:18:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:I'm pro-Amarr I'm all for slave trade. Works as intended TM. you just won the thread 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Anthar Thebess
589
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:20:00 -
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I would prefer that CCP made most of the cyno chars obsolete, not alts that actually do something. But you are right this might be the reason. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:25:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank. This, in my experience, due to the nature of "leveling" in EVE, the character bazaar is like a flock of cicadas, every couple years theres a shitton that reach maturity and show up all at once. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
635
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:31:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:I would prefer that CCP made most of the cyno chars obsolete, not alts that actually do something. But you are right this might be the reason.
Cyno alt is the last of them for sure unless you count logout placers for Titans and Super carriers but those aren't as abundant. Back to my scenario, I have 4 accounts with 4 mains that all have Cyno 5, Black Ops and covert Industrials. The cyno Alt is more of a core to me because of the Covert Cyno and covert jump portal Generation features. Being able to daisy chain them over 4 accounts was one of my EVE goals for a long time. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
760
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Anthar Thebess]Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?
To get ISK to plex their main?
I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex. Not today spaghetti. |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:44:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point? To get ISK to plex their main? I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:47:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point? To get ISK to plex their main? I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex. Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main? "I quit, but I keep plexing my account."
Mind blown. It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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