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Ivan Krividus
United Earth Space Council
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:28:00 -
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Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5527
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:40:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it!
That is not what was said.
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Ja'kar
Corporate Scum
Cult of War
7
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:56:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:
Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).
Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.
Yes I agree... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5528
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:02:00 -
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Ja'kar wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:
Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).
Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.
Yes I agree...
loosing
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
241
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:44:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.
^
this, so much. posting in yet another 'eve is dying' thread.
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Marsha Mallow
1315
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:27:00 -
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Ocih wrote:As for understanding why people do things in EVE?
I don't even try.
OcihMost people are just replying to threads and [u wrote:not doing sabbaticals at a monastery to ponder the deep meaning of their every reply
This is a really snarky comment, which normally I'd ignore but if you want to know why some of us reply this way, continue.
Replying in a single post allows some of us to make numerous points *relatively* concisely without having to come back and argue at length with those who dissect posts without actually contributing a meaningful perspective. Us ramblers can use paragraphs and gleefully waffle on at length, knowing full well it will wind up the one-line-look-at-me posters who spell words like 'awful' wrong and are incapable of anything but feeble, passive-aggressive insults. Also burying your most vicious insults in the middle of lengthy paragraphs is diverting. You might notice us 'monks' generally don't spam these threads 70 times arguing or trolling, although we are clearly reading and responding to more than just the previous poster. Throw away comments are fine - some are awesome - but most are feeble, bitter, nasty and boring. You keep mentioning on various alts how horriable this game is, and how vile the community, despite only apparently being here to abuse everyone else. Before making some of the most ignorant observations I've ever seen in GD. For you, it will probably always be a horrible game, and your only satisfaction will likely be generated from pointing out the failings of others. Allow us to ignore you for another decade (cheers for the subs tho - you paid our devmonkeys too).
Remiel and Antihrist make a point of making lengthy posts, which I enjoy reading. Whilst I can see it annoys some, I'm doing the same quite delilberately. Partly because I can't be bothered starting a blog, and 'leblogsphere' echo chamber isn't really PvP imo. Diversity should be encouraged for those of us who enjoy reading, can handle being contradicted, and aren't all that bothered about remarking for ~cool~ points. We were right in the first place most of the time anyway. Reddit and twatter is where you can make ignorant, supercilious remarks for "upvotes" and get away with it. Not ere.
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
665
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:00:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Val'Dore wrote:PLEX prices are about as much CCP's call as character bazaar rates are. CCP could effect change in plex prices very very easily. All they would have to do is have a plex sale which is more than 5-10% off.. Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough.
The thing is... the people who buy PLEX with RM are the same people who would buy PLEX with RM anyway. The people who don't buy PLEX with RM are the same people who ignore such sales and still don't buy PLEX with RM.
And the outliers are not statistically significant enough to make any difference.
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Arronicus
Caldari Navy Reconnaissance
1108
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:31:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
This isn't accurate. Plex has only very recently hit 800mil, and those of us in the 100mil+ club have been playing since before plex even existed. While sure, if you were to buy enough plex now to train a character up to 100mil SP, you'd have to pay 800m per month, those of us that plexed when the feature came out did so for a much smaller prices. Additionally, you're paying for wasted, or not fully useful SP, as well as bulk value. You're getting a huge package of skills together, as opposed to a specific specialized pilot role, so the price is going to be cheaper.
Now, while I might agree that 120mil SP pilots aren't selling for as much as they should, (I'm worth more than 50 measly billion, goddamnyou.) Characters are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3322
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:47:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
It could equally be a sign of good health. More people selling 100m+ chars means more people have 100m+ chars than they did previously. Logic suggests this is due to the steady increase in subscriptions over the years.
Oh god. |
Acac Sunflyier
Control-Space
DARKNESS.
667
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Posted - 2014.07.15 06:48:00 -
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I think its a general inflation of SP. Eve is 10 now and you're bound to see them. |
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
437
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Posted - 2014.07.15 06:57:00 -
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This ridiculous abortion of a thread gives me an idea. To the spreadsheet-mobile!
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2311
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:01:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:100m+ chars with good names are still extremely rare.
What's wrong with my name "? 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Cyno Saraki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:06:00 -
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The real question is are the characters mains or not? 100m alt might not be needed & just got to bloated over time.
What I'm thinking is a few quit the game, sell their main characters for isk then RMT it out. 50b isk = $1000 US using plex prices. |
Anthar Thebess
592
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:08:00 -
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Ivan Krividus wrote:Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them...
Well i buy them.
Because if i ever need an alt - i will already have something, and it is much cheaper than train one - im not talking about 100mil chars but 15-30mil ones.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
437
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:37:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Ivan Krividus wrote:Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them... Well i buy them. Because if i ever need an alt - i will already have something, and it is much cheaper than train one - im not talking about 100mil chars but 15-30mil ones.
I'm still working the numbers on this, but if the price per million sp quoted earlier in this thread is realistically ~400 million ISK, then no. It's never cheaper to buy than to train. Only faster, which is what we would all hope for.
Turrents |
Grunanca
Doughboys
Overload Everything
285
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Grunanca wrote:Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! That is not what was said.
Ill admit I dont remember the exact wording, maybe you can enlighten me?
None the less, it is what you achieved, knowingly or not. In the end it will be an endless boring grind of isk between the powerblocs with no real action or fun happening. |
Rena Emishi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.07.16 04:57:00 -
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They should bring dust to the pc as a part of eve. Id imagine most eve players are pc gamers and stay clear of consoles, having a fps side of the game might keep people intrested. Was deeply confused when the alienated their entire fan base and made dust console only. They invested a lot of time and design space on dust... give it back to eve >.< |
Captain Soju
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:17:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.
This. Also, people with long history of scamming/griefing can get a clean slate this way...unfortunately |
Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
1
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:56:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast. All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?
Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space? |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
308
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:02:00 -
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Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Grunanca wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast. All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal? Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?
Not boring himself in mostly empty space,
surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers.
All the people are in empire space,
including lots of nullseccers.
- When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
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Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
1
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:11:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Grunanca wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast. All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal? Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space? Not boring himself in mostly empty space, surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers. All the people are in empire space, including lots of nullseccers.
Come out to Catch, never empty or boring. You want to get hot dropped that's your own business, everyone will laugh at you when it happens. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
308
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:22:00 -
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Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Christina Project wrote:Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Grunanca wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast. All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal? Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space? Not boring himself in mostly empty space, surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers. All the people are in empire space, including lots of nullseccers. Come out to Catch, never empty or boring. You want to get hot dropped that's your own business, everyone will laugh at you when it happens.
Catch. Which isn't all of nullsec.
Your "argument" is none.
- When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Assassin 1O1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:34:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK
I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.
Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?
EVE is Always dying, but in EVE people just come back to life. I quit some years ago, and recently came back. Back then being a professional schizofrenic was simpler in New Eden, so now that I have come back it's simple to sell off a few characters to liquidate some ISK. To be honest, I've seen a staggering amount of folks from my days returning, and subsequently selling off high SP characters, T1 blueprint collections, T2 BPO's, supercapitals, etc.
Incidentally, yes, this character is for sale, and it's the lowest skillpoint character I'll be putting up for sale :P One of a dozen.
By the way, I fully expect PLEX prices to hit 2B before the end of the year. I can advise Faction Warfare for quick grinds to afford them, it's simpler than most may think. Alternatively you can always join a major Alliance block, get on the moon train, and join the plex cartels. What already was beginning in my days is quite recognisable these days, PLEX has become the equivalent of a golden standard, similar to the gold deposits utilised following the Bretton Woods Accords. It's got nothing to do with supply & demand, not one bit. But you are required to believe in that mechanism ,,,
No wonder CCP's economist quit :-)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5532
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Posted - 2014.07.16 14:27:00 -
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The CB is where the really rich players go when PLEX speculation doesn't cut it for profit anymore. You are not gambling 10B on PLEX. You are gambling 2 plus trillion on characters.
The current situation could be something as simple as these speculators having found a better investment and so are dumping characters to consolidate their ISK. Maybe moving back into PLEX or maybe they've identified something most haven't in an upcoming update.
High SP character trading is not much of an indicator of game health as they are treated as a commodity and not actual characters.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Thomas Abernathy
High Flyers
The Kadeshi
69
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:21:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.
Yes, Eve is not dying...Eve-offlline.net shows such wonderful progress since the last patch...right? 
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1002
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough. Not just probably, but very very likely. Even a brief glance at the PLEX market history will show that there's pretty much nothing to suggest that higher PLEX (ISK) prices leads to more (RL) PLEX purchases. Reminding people of that high price won't make much of difference if/since the price (obviously) isn't enough to draw in customers.
Nonsense. EVE Players, like every other person on the planet responds to incentives. A high PLEX price is certainly an incentive that will certainly drive more players to buy them, if their motivation is to sell them for in game currency. Market history is a poor tool for analyzing these numbers, as it doesn't capture all PLEX trade (nor even give us a hint of the % of all PLEX trade it represents) or take stockpiling behavior into account. You should know that.
Only CCP knows exactly how many people are buying them, and they aren't going to give you that info.
If you don't think CCP isn't manipulating the price of PLEX for their benefit - you are naive.
I've clearly shown how it can (and probably is) being done using in-game mechanics.
There is nothing (except ethics, lol) preventing CCP from artificially constraining PLEX supply, juice prices and spur ISK-buying/RMT behavior.
And for those who think this Herr Wilkus complaining about PLEX, I'm not. I think its hilarious what CCP is doing to its younger player base. I'm actually quite content with high PLEX prices - because I consider ISK to be Monopoly money, easily made by passive means. I want younger players to have to suffer longer hours of dull, dull grinding to buy them.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2848
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:43:00 -
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^^Mr. Wilkus, your theory in the other post doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't we see runaway inflation because ISK is magically being injected into the system?
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1002
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:47:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:^^Mr. Wilkus, your theory in the other post doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't we see runaway inflation because ISK is magically being injected into the system?
ISK is being magically injected into the system, yes.
Your ISK reserves are being devalued through CCP's policy of managed inflation, yes.
However, this is just one source amongst many existing ISK faucets.
'Runaway' inflation does not necessarily follow. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2848
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:53:00 -
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Wouldn't buying a bunch of PLEX raise the demand? Wouldn't that just further raise prices? CCP can't manipulate any prices unless they are constantly *selling* PLEX at a low ISK value.. and why would CCP give away real money for free?
My spidey sense tingling makes me think that our conversation may be contributing to a topic lock..
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5777
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:41:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:"hurr durr eve is dying"
Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank. Yes, Eve is not dying...Eve-offlline.net shows such wonderful progress since the last patch...right?
Oh? Has Eve-offline started tracking the number of paying customers CCP has now?
Great news!!!
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