For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.

GǪwhich probably didn't have anything to do with, for a long time, there was no real industry in building characters for resale, much less time enough to bring them up to 100M+ SP.

Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market;
2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts;
3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more.

Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone.

You don't sound like you actually have lots of experience in the matter, like Mr. Epeen for example.

ok

You can have 3 alts on account.
Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.

Suspend account ... and wait for better days.

Because of the high plex prices i have just done this. I moved a 25 million sp industry al to one of my other accounts, and closed that account.

So CCP is down one account.

Hey, its not my problem. If plex prices go down again to 400-500 million i gladly restart that account or take another third one. Its their call. :)

Well you are not selling character useful to you.
Alts are mostly <20mil sp characters, specialized, or any level sp industrial characters.

Eve will not die, but it is not in good health either.
Current number of active people - those who bother to login - is similar to this that we had in 2008.

If people are leaving , i wonder why.

Yes sov needs fixing.
Power projection also discourages people from login.

Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.

I'm pro-Amarr I'm all for slave trade. Works as intended TM.

"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

I would prefer that CCP made most of the cyno chars obsolete, not alts that actually do something.
But you are right this might be the reason.

[quote=Anthar Thebess]Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?

To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.

Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main?

...Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?

To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

CCP not doing enough to revive EVE and make it interesting for newer players. They prefer to stew in their own sause, rehashing same old concepts with new graphics.

If hey introduced a PvP arena, would be step in the right direction. But, whatever. Their future on the line, not mine.

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

And so far on the all time graph it looks alot like about a third repeat of the same slump. Hard to tell if this one is significant yet.

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.

If hey introduced a PvP arena, would be step in the right direction.

Its significant. Every successive nadir of the "slump" is lower then the previous slump. Basically average number of logons is 25k, whereas last year it was 31k, and current level dropped to where EVE was in 2008.

All that growth since 2008 - poof. Gone. That is a horrendous statistic.

And drastic circumstances require drastic actions. Too bad CCP doesn't see it. Oh well.

PLEX prices are about as much CCP's call as character bazaar rates are.

Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough.

Not just probably, but very very likely. Even a brief glance at the PLEX market history will show that there's pretty much nothing to suggest that higher PLEX (ISK) prices leads to more (RL) PLEX purchases. Reminding people of that high price won't make much of difference if/since the price (obviously) isn't enough to draw in customers.

100m+ chars with good names are still extremely rare.

Any Skill Point amount character on the Bazaar with a good name is rare. So many stupid names, no wonder they are trying to get rid of the characters.

Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main?

Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main?

"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

People train them for 5 years just sell them?

Interesting theory.

It also supports High plex price theory.

If you are skilling 3 characters from the same account and burning 3 Plex in the process, mostly to sell and enough people are doing it, you create loop inflation on both.

stuff

People don't train alts for 5 years purely to sell. Despite inflation, most characters in the 90-150m range sell for 30-60b (top prices being rare). It's a terrible ROI, and I'm pretty sure that "interesting theory" remark was sarcastic (but misdirected since Remiel was probably talking about low sp alts anyway).

I know cartweeling up and down yodelling hysterically is a hobby for some, but there's really no need to panic over seeing slightly higher than normal numbers of high SP characters listed. Character trading is a cyclical market, with a number of active traders, as well as demand peaks/dips. If they start selling for ridiculously low prices I still wouldn't bat an eye as traders will just snap them up and sit on them until demand increases.

It's possible people have used MCT to buff unfinished/redundant alts and sell them off, or to consolidate their accounts. Downsizing in response to higher plex prices doesn't reinforce the sub/PCU drop argument. The original player isn't necessarily quiting, and the character remains in circulation. Selling alts whilst plex prices are high to try jack up the price isn't an unreasonable strategy. It's not a doomsday scenario and it's happened several times in the last couple of years (particularly after B-R).

Anyone using MCT to train 3 characters at once to sell focused low sp alts is doing it wrong, and probably losing ISK. I'm hoping you can work out why.

5b for ur toon

5.5b Belgian chocolates b/o

misdirected

cartwheeling

yodelling hysterically

cyclical

peaks/dips

wouldn't bat an eye

snap them up

whilst

jack up

Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it!

Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.

Yes I agree...

"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

As for understanding why people do things in EVE?
I don't even try.

not doing sabbaticals at a monastery to ponder the deep meaning of their every reply

CCP could effect change in plex prices very very easily. All they would have to do is have a plex sale which is more than 5-10% off..

Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough.

especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

100m+ chars with good names are still extremely rare.

Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them...

Well i buy them.
Because if i ever need an alt - i will already have something, and it is much cheaper than train one - im not talking about 100mil chars but 15-30mil ones.

That is not what was said.

"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?

Not boring himself in mostly empty space,
surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers.

All the people are in empire space,
including lots of nullseccers.

Come out to Catch, never empty or boring. You want to get hot dropped that's your own business, everyone will laugh at you when it happens.

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

Not just probably, but very very likely. Even a brief glance at the PLEX market history will show that there's pretty much nothing to suggest that higher PLEX (ISK) prices leads to more (RL) PLEX purchases. Reminding people of that high price won't make much of difference if/since the price (obviously) isn't enough to draw in customers.

^^Mr. Wilkus, your theory in the other post doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't we see runaway inflation because ISK is magically being injected into the system?

Yes, Eve is not dying...Eve-offlline.net shows such wonderful progress since the last patch...right?

This isn't accurate. Plex has only very recently hit 800mil, and those of us in the 100mil+ club have been playing since before plex even existed. While sure, if you were to buy enough plex now to train a character up to 100mil SP, you'd have to pay 800m per month, those of us that plexed when the feature came out did so for a much smaller prices. Additionally, you're paying for wasted, or not fully useful SP, as well as bulk value. You're getting a huge package of skills together, as opposed to a specific specialized pilot role, so the price is going to be cheaper.

Now, while I might agree that 120mil SP pilots aren't selling for as much as they should, (I'm worth more than 50 measly billion, goddamnyou.) Characters are only worth what people are willing to pay for them.

What's wrong with my name "?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?

Having fun... Fighting when I want to, not when some times goes off in the middle of the night. (and often with smaller numbers, so your own effort counts for more) Being able to go away for weeks/months when I dont feel like playing, and know that the station I live in is still there to use when I come back.

How do you like play lately ?
I hope that CCP never decides to make NPC stations destroyable , just because things you stated.
Player outposts , is a different story.

[quote=Anthar Thebess]Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters GÇö after all, what would be the point?

That is a moronic reply and would cost those people more than those char's will sell for.

For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

Do not post "give me your stuff". Reply with some intelligent thought. But I wonder if it is even possible given the IQ of some of the people here... plus propaganda.

It's very simple. This is exactly what's going to happen to my 3 x 100+ mil SPs characters very soon. I am totally pissed with the way EVE is mismanaged.

1. Change management (incompetence)
2. Reset priorities (focus on EVE only, not other games)
3. Deliver real expansions instead of useless re-balances (this pisses me off the most)
4. Scrap the CSM, stop listening to biased EVE communities which do not represent me

Next we'll see Dust crash and maybe the whole EVE shut down too.

Do not post "give me your stuff". Reply with some intelligent thought. But I wonder if it is even possible given the IQ of some of the people here... plus propaganda.