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MrBreaker
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Posted - 2006.07.01 02:58:00 -
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Id like to make a few points on this issue that people seem to avoid discussing:
Not everyone to get ganked puts a selection of t2 bpos, zyd and mega in an iteron v and leaves it afk in jita.
There are very few ships that are safe. A friend of mine was carrying hi ends around empire in a well fitted viator, he wasnt AFK, and a single Armageddon was able to suicide gank him.
I dont want to whine on about how it should be 100% prevented because I dont agree with that, but as it stands, there is a slight imbalance here in the favour of gankers and I think it needs addressing.
My solution would be to reduce the time window the ganking ship has to destroy the victim. Lag means you can never guarantee Concord will show up, so instead, increase the damage Concord ships and sentries do to stupid amounts to make it possible to fire your weapons once and only once before you are insta popped.
If you only can fire your weapons once, then the only way to get more DPS is to have more players at the gate also firing off their weapons, who also will be insta popped.
That means to achieve the dps to pop an unprotected hauler u will lose perhaps 2 battleships. Popping a transport ship u need a minmum of 4 - 5 battleships to get enough damage and to take out a BS in empire you should need even more...
If the cost of suicide ganking went up then its a better risk vs reward situation. If the reward truly warrants losing a load of BS over then it remains worth it. Then you are always risking the cargo being destroyed in the process, which would really hurt if it cost you 8 ravens to pop the victim.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:16:00 -
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lol more empire gank posts
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:20:00 -
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i personally love the word "proposal"...to me thats "crap i just lost my lwt"
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
OR we could stop thinking you should be invincible in high sec and use instas, stabs a scout, a proper fitting ( ) t2 indy with MWD...could go on and on
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
no it wont. people need to stop thinking thy are going to be bailed out. You dont like getting ganked....give the mercs some business.. fight back.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.07.01 04:02:00 -
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There are very few ships that are safe. A friend of mine was carrying hi ends around empire in a well fitted viator, he wasnt AFK, and a single Armageddon was able to suicide gank him.
I'm sorry, but this is extremely unlikely. But then again, your definition of "well fitted" and mine may differ significantly.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.07.01 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
My guess is that people are just too lazy to read through the other threads, so they post their own.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.07.01 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
Empire ganks are really lotteries. Gankers and victims both have one thing in common and it is called greed. Dont be greedy in hauling and you will not be ganked.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.07.01 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
Empire ganks are really lotteries. Gankers and victims both have one thing in common and it is called greed. Dont be greedy in hauling and you will not be ganked.
QFT
If I can play tag with several enemy ships, from BS on down to a ceptor, in my little prowler I think a Viator that was intelligently fitted at all should have no problem escaping a geddon.
Especially a geddon.
How the heck did he hold on to your friend? He only has 3 mid-slots... all 3 of which would have to have warp jammers in them to hold him. Even if of the 7.5 variety, your friend would have had to loiter within that range for some unknown reason... he should have been able to escape that in seconds.
Even if webbed your friend should have had plenty of momentum to get to the gate before being slowed down significantly.
So no, well fitted does not mean having as many expanders on that ship as possible.
Jenny nailed it in one...
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.07.01 05:24:00 -
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there is a reason i move anything of extreme value in my Coercer with 4 nanos. first off it warps as fast as a frigate and second nobody would think to scan a destroyer for nice items since they are considered crap ships that only run lvl 1 missions.
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Lokinen Torvalaseki
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Posted - 2006.07.01 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
there is a reason i move anything of extreme value in my Coercer with 4 nanos. first off it warps as fast as a frigate and second nobody would think to scan a destroyer for nice items since they are considered crap ships that only run lvl 1 missions.
Time to start ganking destroyers....
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Ozmodan
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Posted - 2006.07.01 07:46:00 -
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The problem is that not only do they get the loot, they have no risk. They even get insurance for their lost ship. You can darn well bet they don't want this changed, best pvp setup for the aggressor in any game I played. The loser has absolutely no recourse.
How can you have good pvp with no risk. Anyone who portends this is a great pvp system has lost it. No wonder there are so many pirates, they have so little risk is a joke.
You want good pvp, introduce some risk, no insurance for the aggressor ship, 24 hour flag for the aggressors including the buddy who looted the ship remains. Now you have some risk. Can't believe some of you think this is a well designed pvp system.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.01 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ozmodan
The loser has absolutely no recourse.
Unless of course he has an escort which can double as a loot collector.
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fire 59
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:35:00 -
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Tbh mate, even if the did do away with the insurance thingy or whatever, with the amounts that some people haul about in paperthin ships, it really wouldn't matter
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Tbh mate, even if the did do away with the insurance thingy or whatever, with the amounts that some people haul about in paperthin ships, it really wouldn't matter
TBH, dissolving insurance for high sec suicide wont deter gankers. It will just make high sec gankings into a high stake profession. Greed is really the devil.
Removing insurance  Need 150M to 200M to gank?
Haulers become lazy, unaware of dangers, put more ISKs into per haul Each gank is only profitable at 2x-3x of 200M.
Every successful gank Somebody is going to lose even more than usual and whines even more on forums.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:57:00 -
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A post about empire ganking, how original, there are noth 100 other posts to reply to instead of starting a new topic.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:58:00 -
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There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
The forum banhammer for people creating endless different threads on one worn out topic hopefully.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.01 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
OR we could stop thinking you should be invincible in high sec and use instas, stabs a scout, a proper fitting () t2 indy with MWD...could go on and on
Aye, exactly. Rookies building stuff have the cash and the skills to fit T2 indus from the start.
How about you leave your sucky horse in the stable and move minerals and components for a while?
Remember: Do not use more than 30mio Isk per load to discurage BS suicide ganking.
Remember: Use a full tank on your hauler.
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MrBreaker
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Posted - 2006.07.01 12:51:00 -
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Nobody had really mentioned the point I was making in any other thread so I felt it was a new angle on the issue.
He had an invulnerability field and an ECM burst fitted. He wasnt using instas and I daresay wasnt paying attention at every single empire gate.
The point is, its not just poorly fitted tech 1 indys at risk, a tech 2 indy is also at risk (perhaps not the armor tankers, but the blockade runners arent that tough)
The geddon was fitted with T2 pulse lasers which can just about pump out enough dmg to pop the viator.
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Tarnish Katharr
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Posted - 2006.07.01 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: MrBreaker
...ECM burst fitted...
This is a pretty damn good way to get yourself Concorded in empire.
People should quit whining. If you don't like non-consensual PvP, go play another game.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.07.01 13:23:00 -
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all these posts have actually made me decide to go to jita with a cargo scanner and some friends.
Best way to stop it is to NOT advertise it.
Good day.
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MolRob
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Posted - 2006.07.01 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: MrBreaker
The point is, its not just poorly fitted tech 1 indys at risk, a tech 2 indy is also at risk (
Of course they are. They are haulers after all. But if the blockade runners use their mwd, the tankers activate hardeners, start repping etc instead of being afk they wont get killed.
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DrSeuss
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Posted - 2006.07.01 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: MrBreaker
There are very few ships that are safe.
This is true. And it has absolutly NOTHING to do with the type of ship, its fitting or its location.
The issue is that they are solo. EVE is a game of teamwork. Getyourself a couple of buddies in combat ships to escort you. I bet you will make it through just fine.
If your cargo is wourth enough for you to complain on the forums, then its wourth the time/effort to protect it.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.07.01 15:49:00 -
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Use one of these. Problem solved. 
You need 3 ravens to suicide gank a tanked transport. 99% of suicide gankers are solo with a industrial alt.
Tarkin > Omfg, frigs are such bs.
Red 5 > lolol, lern 2 play plz noob
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Arlenna Molatov
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Posted - 2006.07.01 17:22:00 -
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Just an add on to all this. People who gank should not be getting ship insurance, if they are in .5-1.0 space. IE, if Concord has to respond and blow you up, you dont get ship insurance. Why should you be making ISK off your ship AND making isk off the ship you just blew up? No sense there.
if concord has to respond then NO ship insurance. That would remove at least SOME of the needless ganking. Not all of it but would make people pick and choose what they decide to gate gank instead of every ship that runs across their cross-hairs.
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sidewaysvagina
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:05:00 -
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The funny thing is, if they didnt get insurance, people would keep suiciding, and then carebears would start whining about how you shouldn't be able to lock someone in high sec or something else ridiculous.
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Mr Happ
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
OR we could stop thinking you should be invincible in high sec and use instas, stabs a scout, a proper fitting () t2 indy with MWD...could go on and on
Why? empire is suppsoed to be safe space and not jackass people like your corp who gank people in empire for kicks and giggles. Why the hell should we use a scout in empire with a system of 300 people in, yeh real smart suggestion. Man you are rather stupid
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
Use one of these. Problem solved.
Originally by: MrBreaker
A friend of mine was carrying hi ends around empire in a well fitted viator
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AsianInvasion
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Happ
Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Originally by: Blind Man
lol more empire gank posts
There are a lot of these recently due to it becomming more popular. Eventually it will reach some sort of critical mass and CCP will start waving around the banhammer.
OR we could stop thinking you should be invincible in high sec and use instas, stabs a scout, a proper fitting () t2 indy with MWD...could go on and on
Why? empire is suppsoed to be safe space and not jackass people like your corp who gank people in empire for kicks and giggles. Why the hell should we use a scout in empire with a system of 300 people in, yeh real smart suggestion. Man you are rather stupid
Where did you get the idea that empire was safe?
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