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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2006.07.02 12:32:00 -
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Good luck everyone. Hope y'all have as much fun as last time. 
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D1ABOLIST
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:22:00 -
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Hmmm
Interesting times to be had in the area, and I think (OMG HOW) the thedragoooooooooon has some points  but hey, thats what happens.
Hmmm so if IRON are better when they're mobile, what are they doing back in Dek? Planning on taking a relaxing time out and not try to sit around in a single area or are you back for good?
PS. Iron haven't been posting all their losses from the last week Sure its not from the FLA/NFC fight, but i've forwarded this one to someone in EXO.
Enjoy the fights, sounds like it's ganna only be heating up there! (good by the way)
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:51:00 -
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 Originally by: D1ABOLIST
Hmmm
Interesting times to be had in the area, and I think (OMG HOW) the thedragoooooooooon has some points but hey, thats what happens.
Hmmm so if IRON are better when they're mobile, what are they doing back in Dek? Planning on taking a relaxing time out and not try to sit around in a single area or are you back for good?
PS. Iron haven't been posting all their losses from the last week Sure its not from the FLA/NFC fight, but i've forwarded this one to someone in EXO.
Enjoy the fights, sounds like it's ganna only be heating up there! (good by the way)
You might want to tell NFC to post their losses too; they're wasting money on their killboard if they don't try to keep it accurate.
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D1ABOLIST
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Posted - 2006.07.02 14:24:00 -
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That may be so, I don't really have a side in this, I'm neutral to all (shooty shooty), just someone brought it up and I thought they'd like it to be accurate as possible (as their alliance is one of shotting everything, so KB do matter to them for now). If you read my post it had nothing about NFC.
But that is beside the point, I mainly want to know if IRON will be staying in the "North" (? heck to me it's always looked like the north-west but ya know...) If they do are they ganna revert to the north standings? Or are they ganna drive a wedge into there and **** off some of the neighbours that matter?
As i said, it will be interesting, and interesting things are good. (No i don't have anything against Iron, this is not a post as such, meerly questions...just before u ask)
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2006.07.02 19:49:00 -
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You know... I am new to the area but all this *****ing about past events is really not helping anyone. Let's deal with the present, which is a un-unified Deklein. If there are indeed people willing to negotiate as they say, then let them meet and make someting work.
FLA says this, NFC says that, IRON jumps in from it's old age and pretends to suddenly be interested in Deklein... Where were they in the last war? Why this sudden interest in the FLA? What is in it for IRON? BoB is now moving about the area like vultures... (Didn't see this coming! SARCASM)
Good work guys, let's just make sure Deklein is broken and weakened beyond the point of reason so that the enemies of D2 can break through this border and set up shop. This dis-unity is pitiful, and all of this rhetoric on the forums is more about people getting to spout off their own PR without acutally TRYING to hear the other side of the story.
I make an effort to go out of my way to ask opposing forces what they believe and why. Hey, who knows maybe I will learn something from that! it certainly wouldn't hurt if people made an EFFORT to listen to the other sides views here vs argueing back and forth.
For those that have indeed tried to make the peace work, and indeed try to listen to other views THANK YOU! There are some who are working hard to ammend this situation in Deklein, and they deserve high praise for that.
It is to all of our benefits here in Deklein if we can be unified!
For all that I try to understand about both sides of the arguement, I am continually frustrated by people stubbornly refusing to admit that they may indeed have been wrong. There have been bad decisions on all sides of this issue! Get over it and admit to our mistakes. If we cannot unify Deklein, then none of us deserve it! I am sure that those who are waiting eagerly to take it when we are at our weakest, will have no problem doing so. Then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2006.07.02 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Turiya Flesharrower on 02/07/2006 20:46:10
Originally by: General Xenophon
It is to all of our benefits here in Deklein if we can be unified!
BORING!
This 'negotiation' malarky is incredibly tedious. Do you have any idea what happens to alliances that are surrounded by nothing but blues? They decay and die! People will not be content with mining and ratting all day, this is an absolute certainty. A war in Deklein is best for everyone involved.
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maccrat
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Posted - 2006.07.02 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: maccrat on 02/07/2006 23:09:19
poo bum willy
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Beigehornet
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Posted - 2006.07.03 00:08:00 -
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Just a note for the actual agression that has taken place and not the politics of the previous days and so on. FLA agressed NFC at 1 minute past their supposed dead line with a Bubble camp.
Nice reception ey 
Welcome back IRON lets all play hard and see what happens.
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Entilzah Valen
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Posted - 2006.07.03 01:02:00 -
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ffs shoot each other again already
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Trent Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Trent Hawkins on 03/07/2006 05:43:38
my opinion, yay for opinions with mixes of facts. yay.
I just felt like saying something cause it is late and that is what I do when it is late. From the end of the 1st war, it was agreed upon that RFY-QB was to remain a neutral ground, aka no SOV claming, (to much discomfort to FLA since we had many POSs in that area). FLA removed their SOV claims. NFC never did, and in fact turned on SOV claims (including a system we had POSs in). And to me that was a slap in the face.
It is kinda sad that I expect this nature from people, I blame working in retail all those years. Always a reminder that the majority of people suck at life.
I don't know if war was the right choice to do, but it's better than people treated like crap and having agreements walked upon. I don't know the details of it all, and I doubt I ever will. Peace and cooperation would be nice, but we'll see if it's ever possible. Perceptions and the like are too muddled by whatever.
edited some typos and such.
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Avril Dewar
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Posted - 2006.07.03 06:13:00 -
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Only 2 systems were to remain with no sovereignty. C'mon guys, read the agreement. |
Trent Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:05:00 -
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You are right, that obsceure topic does say 2 systems. I just never saw it before nor heard what two systems they were. I do remember there being a big deal made about that constellation before and how is was going to be neutral for the entire constellation. It may have changed to two systems, I just never got the memo. I don't know what they are, but I can guess they are either WUZ, 3T7, or N2IS (or something similar (not in game too lazy to check)). If one was 3t7, well SOV for NFC went up a couple days after the beginning peace talks. And then the talk over that constellation occurred and people were upset and the like. I remember the situation clearly as it was a very talked about topic on TS. I also remember after it was decided that FLA was only going to the constellation with 3jn as "theirs" cause I was like hmph, we took down both of our SOVs, wonder if they are gonna down theirs. But I brushed it aside as maybe it will just take a couple more days. If 3t7 wasn't, then I am wrong. My bad.
But back to the point, I don't know the reasons for this conflict, and to be honest I don't really care. I don't care who did what to what treaty protocol. FLA is acting on the once bitten twice shy prinicpal and I cannot fault them for that. It is time for NFC to be the bigger man (or woman in some cases). FLA was the last time, now it is your turn. So one thing you of NFC should do is not just say you are open for peace talks or encourage FLA to talk with you, but force peace talks. Contact CEOs, council members, whatever, daily. PM them, evemail them. Until you do, fighting will most likely continue. Unless you like a state of war in the space you call home (I know I don't). If you truely want a stable region, force it to change. Don't point fingers. Don't cite events. Don't puff your chest saying they should come to you or whatnot. Don't say the demands are ridiculous and you won't talk until they have new demands. It just spurs more anger and frustration on both sides. Put things in the past and make FLA do the same and stop this stupid fighting.
I apologize for the horrible grammar, spelling, and thought structure. It is very late and I am very sleepy.
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moroti
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:39:00 -
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Congratulations NFC, you finally got the excuse to try and remove FLA from the 3JN constellation that you've wanted for so long.
Lets hope IRON prove less of a hinderance to logistics than d00m did.
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MiA Greasy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:22:00 -
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People take these things entirely too seriously.
Its a game and should be taken "fairly lightheartedly" at least.
Yes everyone is shooting everyone else again.
But the more we test ourselves, our resolve, our mettle the stronger the end product that spills from the cauldron of war.
FLA rose bloodied last time by the war and it gave them conviction and confidence... and NFC have proven they too have steeled themselves since last time round with more efficent responses.
Whatever the end result those who are left standing will be ever more bloodied and determined to retain what they have fought for, but logic dictates that however it works out there can be only one alliance ruling Deklien as a split reigon allows too many dark corners for shady characters to congregate.
I vote we all reform under a new alliance banner N.O.B.S (Northern Order of Bobite Servants) the name alone will give us ultimate power!
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~Look a Bob intercepter..... Local just shot up to 3.......... heeeyy i'm in a clone vat?~
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.07.03 12:14:00 -
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Aw man, i leave Dek for a while to go see the galaxy and things get fun  I think my eve-break might not last too long.
It's pretty revealing that the first reply is by an FLA (ceo?) and contains more propaganda as usual, i think every statment there is wrong. I have no idea how FLA think they are being pushed around, you have a station, you can mine and rat and complex anywhere in dek, I know for a fact that some nfc corps used 3jn as a home base and regulary mined and refinded there.
IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA 
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ToneLock
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA
Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really.
Still, it's nice to know that that judging by the responses on this thread people are seeing through the usual propaganda, spin and BS.
Deklein is home to the NFC now IRON, you walked away from it leaving the residents there to defend it.
Defend it we will.
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: ToneLock
Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really.
not at all, if IRON wanted a war in Deklein then we'd simply start one.
speak to your alliance leaders about why we're here, its obvious that they're keeping something from you.
good fight today btw.
~Foto
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Asfa
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Posted - 2006.07.03 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: FotoFlame
Originally by: ToneLock
Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really.
not at all, if IRON wanted a war in Deklein then we'd simply start one.
speak to your alliance leaders about why we're here, its obvious that they're keeping something from you.
good fight today btw.
~Foto
Seems to me that you have started a war in Deklein, Foto.
BTW, Tonelock is one of those alliance leaders. I suppose he is hiding things from himself?
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Lao TseTung
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Posted - 2006.07.03 17:46:00 -
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As a former member of FLA, and meaning no disrespect, the fact of the matter seems to be that NFC is about as trustworthy as the huns and FLA et. al. should just relentlessly pound them until they crumble.
yes, yes, this is an alt, last thing I need is a war dec.
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Asfa
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Posted - 2006.07.03 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lao TseTung
As a former member of FLA, and meaning no disrespect, the fact of the matter seems to be that NFC is about as trustworthy as the huns and FLA et. al. should just relentlessly pound them until they crumble.
yes, yes, this is an alt, last thing I need is a war dec.
Keep in mind that this conflict is a result of an ultimatum that FLA issued.
Remember that according to those corps who brokered the ceasefire, the very same corps that fought with FLA against NFC in the last conflict, NFC abided by both the letter and the spirit of the agreement.
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:02:00 -
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See, thats what confuses us Foto. Why all the subterfuge and lies? If you wanted a fight, you coulda just said so. All this is not going to save face in the end, it will make it worse.
We don't know why you want to fight, i guess you're all just a bit bitter from something.
Its turned into quite the farse really.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: ToneLock
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA
Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really.
Still, it's nice to know that that judging by the responses on this thread people are seeing through the usual propaganda, spin and BS.
Deklein is home to the NFC now IRON, you walked away from it leaving the residents there to defend it.
Defend it we will.
Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids.
As far as I'm concerned, this war is karmic debt for your cowardice.
That being said. Props to everyone on the fight saturday in VFK. It was great fun.
Good luck to all involved, the killing has been and will be fun.
Props to NFC for putting up a decent fight on saturday. If nothing else, you made the fight interesting.
I don't speak for iron. I'm simply an old iron member that has gone another way. I don't speak for PRIK either.
Simply put, my opinions are my own. Treat them as such, and feel free to disagree.
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:46:00 -
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Quote:
Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids.
Your statement here is establishing a new moral low.
Several of the NFC members have been defending and living in Dek from the NSA/GNW days and never left, and been fighting the whole time. And in fact the NFC now is more more than a couple miners that IRON let live in Dek.
But whatever ...
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.07.03 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan
Quote:
Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids.
Your statement here is establishing a new moral low.
Several of the NFC members have been defending and living in Dek from the NSA/GNW days and never left, and been fighting the whole time. And in fact the NFC now is more more than a couple miners that IRON let live in Dek.
But whatever ...
A few, stood and fought for their homes. Most didn't.
If you belonged to the ones that were standing up. Then I salute you. But those people were few and far between when compaired to the total.
I remember looking at Dekcom with 150 people in it and not one single response to the call for a defense fleet. This didn't happen once or twice, it happened nightly.
It's just awfully funny that you guys are now fighting so hard for something you couldn't be bothered to fight for then. Until it was handed to you in exchange for nothing.
All of that aside, I'm just here to kill stuff. I don't care about the greater outcome.
So, good luck IRON/FLA. And to NFC. Lets see what you are made of.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.07.03 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08
OK Foto, why not start a new thread stating exactly what IRON's interest in Deklein is.
After an official alliance announcment stating quite categorical that you had had enough of POS's and fuel and station management etc. etc. you turn up on our doorstep and start shooting anything thats not in an blue alliance.
Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!!
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Beigehornet
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Posted - 2006.07.03 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08
Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!!
EY IM DAVID HOPE
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.07.03 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Beigehornet
Originally by: Tozmeister
Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08
Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!!
EY IM DAVID HOPE
No I'm Spa... David Hope!
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Asfa
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Posted - 2006.07.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Beigehornet
Originally by: Tozmeister
Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08
Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!!
EY IM DAVID HOPE
IMPOSTERS!!!
I'm David Hope.
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Rytir
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Posted - 2006.07.03 20:20:00 -
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who the fk is David Hope
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.07.03 20:26:00 -
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hurry up and shoot each other already 
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