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marcouk2
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Posted - 2006.07.03 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: marcouk2 on 03/07/2006 21:34:06
 Originally by: Kaeten
hurry up and shoot each other already 
Iron's got over 300 nfc kills on our killboard already, that enough shooting for you? 
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.07.03 21:53:00 -
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seeingas a chunk of em are my deaths. Nope keep trying ive got lotsa ships to loose yet.
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mustkill2
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Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lightof God
seeingas a chunk of em are my deaths. Nope keep trying ive got lotsa ships to loose yet.
Thats right son. Keep your pecker up. I think your gonna need it
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Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2006.07.03 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 22:41:51
riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone.
ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days?
RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... 
also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills.................
before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims
blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron. 
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:09:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:01:07
riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone.
ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days?
RIIIIIGHHHtttt.....
also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills.................
before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims
blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron.
btw: im david hope.. 
if we are missing kills form our killboard, please feel free to mail us a list of the kills we are missing we will look into investigate and then slap the **** out of the poeple... trust me we tell our peeps to post our losses.
and you need to realise that also some of those kills might be FLA buddie.
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"Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth."
Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:13:00 -
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granted not all kills are iron but the vast majority are 
but honestly you belive you guys have only sustained 41 losses?
ill gladly post you all of your missing mails. contact me in game if you want (not tongiht tho feck that!
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: FotoFlame on 03/07/2006 23:33:57
Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07
ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days?
RIIIIIGHHHtttt.....
also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills.................
before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims
Funny that.
According to your killboard you've killed 54 IRON in 3 days.
According to our killboard we've killed 332 NFC in 3 days.
Are we reading your killboard wrong or something?
~Foto
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Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:37:00 -
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yup
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Juggernaut Kell
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:52:00 -
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Uhm, who cares who has the most kills, at the end of the day all that matters is who wins, if we kill 5000 iron ships but they can sustain 500,000 and they only kill 40 of ours but we can only sustain losing 50, I'd say IRON has won, or vice versa, all that matters is who is the first to blink and give in. Other than that.....................like the other guy said, just start shooting each other already, because it sure beats being bored in a nice secure regoin with only rats and asteroids to shoot at.
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2006.07.04 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07
riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone.
ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days?
RIIIIIGHHHtttt.....
also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills.................
before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims
blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron.
btw: im david hope.. 
I've seen your killboard, the number of missing loss-mails is staggering. Until you learn to post all mails, you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Master Wujen
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Posted - 2006.07.04 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Master Wujen on 04/07/2006 05:51:47
Originally by: Lord Canabinol
Beside the point.
By the way, who the **** is david hope? As far as I knew the Alliance leader was Avril DeWar.
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2006.07.04 06:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Master Wujen
Edited by: Master Wujen on 04/07/2006 05:51:47
Originally by: Lord Canabinol
Beside the point.
By the way, who the **** is david hope? As far as I knew the Alliance leader was Avril DeWar.
this is just childish you are the reason these forums degrad into flames.
im sure david Hope is doing all he can to fight this war, regardless of if he wins for loses this is still a game and you acting like a immature fool makes you look like well just what your acting like. we do our talking on the battlefield. and if your in IRON and i or any other leadership find you im gonna slap the living hell out of you, i can tell you that.
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"Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth."
Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Larra Crofte
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Posted - 2006.07.04 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Larra Crofte on 04/07/2006 06:31:28
(Only slightly OT) To Satan and Burn Eden on behalf of the Noobs you defended,
There were a good handful of us that were podded repeatedly in empire after being honestly ~in the game~ only a week or less, because we joined RL friends in a corp that got involved inadvertently in the 1st altercation.
We THANK YOU very much for coming to our aid, and look forward to your continued fight for justice/honor. We are still too new to have any official opinion or serious involvement this go around, so hope we don't wind up in the same situation you rescued us from before.
Personally, I hope it all works out soon, as I've worked very hard to utilize every minute I can of my newness in training to mine! Can't wait to get back to the "industrial" bits we were famous for
Best wishes and thanks again,
Larra Crofte (1 mo. old)
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Wat0721
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Posted - 2006.07.04 08:10:00 -
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...
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I am David Hope.
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TekkyHead
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Posted - 2006.07.04 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: TekkyHead on 04/07/2006 08:32:21
I've got a David Hope T-Shirt
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Shinoobie
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Posted - 2006.07.04 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
granted not all kills are iron but the vast majority are
but honestly you belive you guys have only sustained 41 losses?
ill gladly post you all of your missing mails. contact me in game if you want (not tongiht tho feck that!
Heres another stat for you. My undercover alt docked in VFK has made just over 2.5bill isk in 96 hours of war from the NFC. All from selling overpriced mods and ammo. Also made a killing from all the carebears selling their BS and moving out.
Go ahead, take a look at the buy orders for yourself. Currently 2 of each BS on buy order, currently filled the previous. It's amazing what the stats of market trading can tell you.
Elite Scouting 
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Felicia Stone
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Posted - 2006.07.04 09:27:00 -
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(Gender issues aside)...
I'm David Hope!
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:14:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07
riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone.
ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days?
RIIIIIGHHHtttt.....
also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills.................
before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims
blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron.
btw: im david hope..
Your good at talking **** arent you?
On your killboard, i have counted 54 kills from you to IRON members, by searching IRON. On the IRON killboard, under the campaign "deklien assault", it shows 50 IRON losses, this is only 4 kills out from being 100% accurate.
Propaganda is only a useful tool if you are good at it, but your thick, so you might wanna just shutup.
On top of this, your killboard shows only 116 losses for the NFC, when ours shows 301 kills on NFC pilots. And you dare to criticise our far more accurate killboard? Nice 1.
Door is to the left.
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Defstar
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Buddrow
We do our talking on the battlefield.
Hey? So the numerous posts from IRON people stating that "we're gonna kick the **** out of you", boasting about their kill/loss ratio, bragging about how much money they are making is in my imagination? Or does propaganda not count as talking?
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Felicia Stone
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Felicia Stone on 04/07/2006 13:26:03
Hi,
Not to **** on your bonfire Darko but you have to admit that there are some statistical flaws in your 300:50 k/d ratio....
For example, Your kill figure I would imagine is accurate as is your death figure (You are/were an honourable alliance and so i'll give you that much respect) but you'll notice on most of your killmails that certain outside parties (CORE, FLA, FREEE) are also mentioned...
It would be a little unfair to say that we only targeted IRON ships, so while you are racking up appearences on these killmails you and you allies are taking losses (thus the 50 deaths can't really be applied as many FLA/CORE/FREEE pilots have also met their makers at the hands of NFC pilots).
I'm sure you'll retort with an argument that you still have more kills overall anyway...
I'll counter this argument with the fact that you are the aggressor. All your ships are fitted for PVP, many of your kills are ganks on miners and NPC'ers (not saying these aren't valid, just pointing out that 8 against 1 kills are not exactly a massive indicator of your skill).
In closing, yes you have killed alot of us. Yes, you have taken fewer losses. Is 300:50 a decent indicator? Unfortunatly, no.
Flic
My views/opinions are not those of my corp/alliance... yadda yadda.
edit: spelling... duh!
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:45:00 -
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I am unaware of CORE/FLA etc's losses, all i was doing was commenting on his arguement about the IRON killboard's lack of accuracy, which was tottally unfounded and built around completely made up evidence.
I do however agree with your comments that CORE/FLA losses should be taken into account when a ratio is calculated, however, so does thier kills. I have no doubt that this ratio will be massively stacked in OUR favour, whether the kills are just miners or not, this doesnt matter. I know from the history of alliances in deklien that ganked miners reduce morale. On top of this, the fleet battles that I have heard of from IRON's well trained FC's have been won by IRON, not to mention the 3JN slaughter fest and the taking down of a NFC large POS by our capital fleet.
Personally, i dont care for kills and killboards or ratio's, all i care about is winning.
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Eta Carinea
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Posted - 2006.07.04 14:06:00 -
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I agree with the recent NFC comments ( I know i would ), there has been a lot of ganks recently for all those in doubt just look at the map which cannot lie you will see the kills spread across dek rather than big blobs that tend to indicate fleet based battles.
As the aggressor this does make things a little easier for IRON. BOB and others have used this tactic since the dawn of our civilisations indeed pirates base thier tactics succesfully on it. To be honest some of our members need to follow advice which i have heard the fleet commanders give in channels frequently do not move around alone particulaly do not haul at present and do not mine!! alas do they listen your killboards suggest not.
This is taking nothing away from IRON i flew with you guys back then when BOB was chancing thier arm, When i jumped into local the other day with 23 IRON members most of you guys i remember from those hard one battles. Many i respect some of you even even helped me get settled into 0.0.
I look forward to the comming fights i do wish and hope that the propaganda stops here that IRON make thier intentions clear same as FREEE perhaps? That our sucesses and failures are measured by those markers rather than the by the death of ships i suspect NFC goals are obvious to secure and hold our homes something that can be measured and has the possibility of success or failure which all on the eve boards will no doubt here the outcome off one way or the other. Hence killboard stats to me are irrelevant. I'll know when i have one i will be living in dek it then follows i'll know when i have lost. How i get to these outcomes is completely irrelivant just that i get thier will be enougth
I hope all enjoy the comming fights
Eta
Opinions are my own not the corps or the alliance etc etc.
http://www.geotecheve.co.uk/index.php
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
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tyrol
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Posted - 2006.07.04 15:10:00 -
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hell, i say let the propaganda continue. If my side tell me i'm winning, then my moral is boosted. Moral is a major factor in any war. Thats why we have tekky as moral officer. Hes the key to our success ladies and gents.
Btw Tekky, i want one of those t-shirts. I'll wear it with my tin foil hat. :)
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Avril Dewar
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Posted - 2006.07.04 15:48:00 -
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While I'm not too fussed about stats and all the rest, I have 1 point to make about kills. You cannot measure damage simply by looking at the number of kills sustained or received, you have to also look at the ship types. 1 HAC kill to 10 BS kills still is in favour of the BS (t1 fitted of course) pilots because of the ISK losses involved.
I personally haven't looked at IRON's killboard lately, however I have been told that the ISK loss ratio on the IRON killboard for that first night was 6:1 in NFC's favour. If that is true, who knows. Maybe someone bored enough will check.
This was really a pointless post as I don't think either group knows exactly how deep the others' pockets are so measuring in number of kills or ISK is a bit pointless. Stats are useless unless you know how much the other side can sustain, so... Forget the stats, let's fight and see who wins. Then the winner can brag until their heart's content.
Good luck to all involved!
Av
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.07.04 16:48:00 -
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FREEE's intentions:
We like to shoot stuff. 
That is all.
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Eta Carinea
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Posted - 2006.07.04 19:03:00 -
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Here let me point you to the post made by your comrades about FREE's intentions in the North. I suspect they will expect you to have read it.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=358527
Originally by: NATMav
FREEE's intentions:
We like to shoot stuff.
That is all.
http://www.geotecheve.co.uk/index.php
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.07.04 19:06:00 -
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Thank you NATMav, at least thats one cleared up.
So whats your interest in Deklein IRON? when are we going to get a statment of intent?
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The Braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.04 21:02:00 -
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Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.07.04 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darko1107
Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members.
You must be pretty ashamed of you decision if you can't publicaly state on the official forums your reasons....
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The Braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.07.04 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Originally by: Darko1107
Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members.
You must be pretty ashamed of you decision if you can't publicaly state on the official forums your reasons....
why would we need to state it publicly both sides know why
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