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David Hope	Posted - 2006.07.01 21:02:00 - [1] Following the Deklein civil war a fair peace was agreed between the NFC and the FLA. Both sides put themselves in the hands of an arbitration group, a group that had militarily aided the FLA (link) and had at one time come close to a full invasion of NFC space. Since the peace agreement various problems have arisen with the FLA but it was believed by the NFC that they could be resolved. Following the peace treaty (link) a meeting was scheduled to deal with any remaining differences. Upon entering that meeting the NFC was issued with a demand to give up two constellations of its space or war would ensue. We will not take action that is unsanctioned by the mediating group. We have contacted them and they have confirmed following an incident with IRON (Link) that FLA is in the wrong and has failed to meet its treaty obligations. Consequently we reject their demand but are willing to negotiate with them under the aegis of the original guarantors. The deadline for the ultimatum has passed so, barring other information, we presume that the FLA has now set us to negative and as such have entered into a state of war with us. We await confirmation of this from the FLA leadership. We would also wish to know why they persist in accusing us of treaty violations when the guarantor of the treaty states otherwise. We encourage them to return to the table with us and the Alektrophobia group for meaningful discussion. To all groups that need safe passage out of Deklein to avoid the fighting (whoever you may be) you can contact me or Avril for standings.
Dragonmorph	Posted - 2006.07.01 21:31:00 - [2] It is indeed regrettable that the FLA and it's allies have been forced into this action. Despite a non-proliferation agreememnt, NFC has continued to erect starbases in what was supposed to be a neutral zone. These POS's have now reached our home borders. As another part of the ceasefire agreement, moon mineral revenues were supposed to be shared with FLA. To date, not one isk has been paid, and not one unit has been handed over, despite repeated requests. Further, NFC have forbidden it's own pilots to refine at the FLA station in 3JN. This appears to be because our station is set at 5% refine tax, but theirs is set at 15%. I myself have been witness to conversations where NFC leadership have threatened it's own pilots with removal from the alliance, and even murder in the form of podding if they transgressed Once again, stalling tactics and mis-information have been a ready tool of the NFC The deadline expired a short time ago, but the NFC leadership wait until it's expiry before offering or requesting negotiations While this is being written, a fleet of BOB pilots, allegedly invited by NFC is starting to engage our troops Interesting times ahead indeed
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.01 21:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Avril Dewar on 01/07/2006 21:42:21 Originally by: Dragonmorph It is indeed regrettable that the FLA and it's allies have been forced into this action. Despite a non-proliferation agreememnt, NFC has continued to erect starbases in what was supposed to be a neutral zone. These POS's have now reached our home borders. We have done no such thing. Originally by: Dragonmorph As another part of the ceasefire agreement, moon mineral revenues were supposed to be shared with FLA. To date, not one isk has been paid, and not one unit has been handed over, despite repeated requests. Please look at the peace treaty as detailed in thedragoon's post (link above) and you will find nothing there about that. This was a goodwill gesture on our part and we have offered you the minerals, you refused and asked for the ISK; as you have been told time and time again they are on the market, we are holding out for a higher price than is currently available. Originally by: Dragonmorph Further, NFC have forbidden it's own pilots to refine at the FLA station in 3JN. This appears to be because our station is set at 5% refine tax, but theirs is set at 15%. I myself have been witness to conversations where NFC leadership have threatened it's own pilots with removal from the alliance, and even murder in the form of podding if they transgressed Again this is untrue. What we have said is that if you mine in NFC, you refine in NFC space. Similarly, if you refine in FLA space you mine in FLA space; the same goes for Sparta space and refineries. Originally by: Dragonmorph Once again, stalling tactics and mis-information have been a ready tool of the NFC The deadline expired a short time ago, but the NFC leadership wait until it's expiry before offering or requesting negotiations thedragoon has approached you to negotiate, you refused. Originally by: Dragonmorph While this is being written, a fleet of BOB pilots, allegedly invited by NFC is starting to engage our troops Interesting times ahead indeed Whaaaaaa???? Edited for typos
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.07.01 22:31:00 - [4] why would we get us invited by u, we just come if we wonna, just laughable.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Lord Canabinol	Posted - 2006.07.01 22:45:00 - [5] Yawn. The NFC leadership are so far up their own arses that they can see the empty orifice where their brain should be. Now that this has come to a head again, I would just again like to mention how this all started due to some unfounded information from the old NFC leadership, which the new leadership has refrained from disposing of just because they didnt want to look weak. Good Game guys. I know of people who worked long and hard to get the first bout of peace, and I hardly think they will be wasting hours of their life negotiating again, just for the leadership of the NFC to claim that they are the good guys in all this. They are not. They are power hungry and so sure they are a top alliance, when in reality they will be beyond reliant on D2 should and when a large alliance (not just 30 or so members of FLA) decide to come and play. FLA have done nothing dishonourable. They have called on friends to help them fight for something they believe in, surely their willingness to continue the fight both diplomatically, at war and at peace for the way of life they used to know and love under IRON, should be applauded. They have tried to be as diplomatically feasible as possible, I have heard recordings of negotiations and it is most definately parts of the NFC leadership, who are unwilling to compromise, who caused any conflicts during the peace process. At the beginning, they werent willing for any compromise, as they were so sure they were going to win the war even though the killboard (both FLA and NFC were using) was full of FLA mails, and then the NFC leadership shut it down. The war mongering Fleet admirals have far too much say in how the alliance is run, the leadership was voted in because they were talking about a diplomatic governing body, whereas the reality was a leadership of 4 who made decisions and then reported back to the "senate" with no discussions. This, as far as Im concerned, warrants the ticking of the "dictatorship" box when you form the alliance. I myself am severely dissapointed in the NFC. They had the makings of being something great, of a banding together of all corps who had lived under IRON, to save Deklein. However, the leadership has become dissalusioned, the people who should have a say do not, and war seems to be their only great idea. Lets see now if they make it look like it was FLA's fault, good luck to them, they as far as I am concerned dont have a foot to stand on. Oh well, I guess war is one of the things that makes the game so addictive, as is the politics. Oh, neutral party by the way, is it my fault I have friends? Let the NFC flames begin!
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.01 22:52:00 - [6] I think you will find that this ultimatum was issued by FLA...
Sol Angla	Posted - 2006.07.01 23:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Lord Canabinol Yawn. The NFC leadership are so far up their own arses that they can see the empty orifice where their brain should be. Now that this has come to a head again, I would just again like to mention how this all started due to some unfounded information from the old NFC leadership, which the new leadership has refrained from disposing of just because they didnt want to look weak. Good Game guys. I know of people who worked long and hard to get the first bout of peace, and I hardly think they will be wasting hours of their life negotiating again, just for the leadership of the NFC to claim that they are the good guys in all this. They are not. They are power hungry and so sure they are a top alliance, when in reality they will be beyond reliant on D2 should and when a large alliance (not just 30 or so members of FLA) decide to come and play. FLA have done nothing dishonourable. They have called on friends to help them fight for something they believe in, surely their willingness to continue the fight both diplomatically, at war and at peace for the way of life they used to know and love under IRON, should be applauded. They have tried to be as diplomatically feasible as possible, I have heard recordings of negotiations and it is most definately parts of the NFC leadership, who are unwilling to compromise, who caused any conflicts during the peace process. At the beginning, they werent willing for any compromise, as they were so sure they were going to win the war even though the killboard (both FLA and NFC were using) was full of FLA mails, and then the NFC leadership shut it down. The war mongering Fleet admirals have far too much say in how the alliance is run, the leadership was voted in because they were talking about a diplomatic governing body, whereas the reality was a leadership of 4 who made decisions and then reported back to the "senate" with no discussions. This, as far as Im concerned, warrants the ticking of the "dictatorship" box when you form the alliance. I myself am severely dissapointed in the NFC. They had the makings of being something great, of a banding together of all corps who had lived under IRON, to save Deklein. However, the leadership has become dissalusioned, the people who should have a say do not, and war seems to be their only great idea. Lets see now if they make it look like it was FLA's fault, good luck to them, they as far as I am concerned dont have a foot to stand on. Oh well, I guess war is one of the things that makes the game so addictive, as is the politics. Oh, neutral party by the way, is it my fault I have friends? Let the NFC flames begin! Amen. Yes, the ultimatum was set by us. But if you don't contact us, and the ultimatum expires, military action ensues. Makes sense to me. I clearly saw NFC sovereignty in systems they weren't supposed to have. Systems like E3UY-6 and 3T7-M8. 3T7 was to be neutral and unowned. I think that that is all I have to say. Pwnternet
Lord Canabinol	Posted - 2006.07.01 23:22:00 - [8] Beside the point. By the way, who the **** is david hope? As far as I knew the Alliance leader was Avril DeWar.
Nacona	Posted - 2006.07.02 00:13:00 - [9] BLah Blah Blah .. here goes another war that people seem to want to wage in the forums .. Who cares who did what or why .. crying on a forum changes nothing .. FLA formally issued an ultimatem .. it was refused .. that means war .. They should be ready to back up thier demands or GTFO .. not whine about the repercusions Sparta currently stands neutral atm but that is being decided in council.. But maybe it is time to clean out the area .. FLA issued an ultimatem to me a week ago .. I laughed and told them to STFU and they went away.. but this is nutz http://www.chrisandangelo.com/stitch-sig-small.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.02 00:14:00 - [10] This is a very sad state of affairs I feel that this can only result in a loss from both sides the area will simply become weaker.... while this fighting contines Alektrophobia will be setting both entities as 0 standing goon out
Montaire	Posted - 2006.07.02 00:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Nacona Sparta currently stands neutral atm but that is being decided in council.. QFT
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.02 01:10:00 - [12] I, Turiya Flesharrower, take full responsibility for this conflict; a 10,000 word RP post will be made shortly with appropriate grammatical errors and allusions to the size of our collective genitalia.
SATAN	Posted - 2006.07.02 02:20:00 - [13] We dont like being slapped in the face, and that is exactly what FLA has done. You have turned from being the oppressed to be the oppressor. All our hard work and favors and you managed to destroy it in just under a month and basicly spit in our face by opening hostilities. UDIE does not care about trivial things like pos's and crap. Bottom line is you had a peace and you could have worked it out. Now you will go down in flammes and NO one is coming to the rescue. Good luck to NFC. ALL FLA STANDINGS ARE BEING RESET TO 0...
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.02 02:27:00 - [14] the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the **** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
zit me	Posted - 2006.07.02 02:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better Originally by:** Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better the thing is that Be and us worked hard for what FLA got before we went up there they had noware to live and FLa never owned a station you come along bull** them into some war and now you and them are going to lose everything in one movement I found it funny how iorn setup a killbord for the fighting vs nfc and after today's engagment you quickly removed it Care to tell us your losses today and where this huge fleet is you spoke to FLA about... The fact of the matter is IORN is all but dead and you tried to use a indust alliance to fight your war you and them are as good as finished IMO
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.02 02:57:00 - [16] Originally by: zit me Originally by: Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better Originally by:** Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better the thing is that Be and us worked hard for what FLA got before we went up there they had noware to live and FLa never owned a station you come along bull** them into some war and now you and them are going to lose everything in one movement I found it funny how iorn setup a killbord for the fighting vs nfc and after today's engagment you quickly removed it Care to tell us your losses today and where this huge fleet is you spoke to FLA about... The fact of the matter is IORN is all but dead and you tried to use a indust alliance to fight your war you and them are as good as finished IMO Bahhh alts :( that was me
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.02 03:03:00 - [17] Just a few things. Sparta: as you know full well, the "ultimatum" you mention was a misunderstanding and a matter of a very badly worded mail. The issue was resolved between Harleigh and myself in 5 minutes a little later, that's how serious it was. We have no beef with Sparta whatsoever; quite on the contrary you have been straight with us in all things that I am aware of. Alek & BE: unfortunatly you guys have not been living in Dek since the last conflict and therefore have no idea what it's been like. We'll only be pushed around for so long, at some point something's got to break. In any case - standings at neutral or not, the FLA still sees you as our friends and our gratitude over the assistance you gave us last time remains in full. It'll do so even after you start firing and after we cheerfully start firing back. Avril et al: I see no point in arguing anything at all with you here, nor anywhere else. All our experiences with the NFC leadership are bad and we do not expect that to change until those at the top are gone for good. We have experienced nothing but greed, lies, broken promises and underhanded dealings from any of you. Well, no more. FLA: I see no reason why anyone from FLA should add to the twisted mess this thread will undoubtedly turn into and I ask you all to refrain from joining the fray. That is all from the FLA Council.
Archangel Deck	Posted - 2006.07.02 03:59:00 - [18] Edited by: Archangel Deck on 02/07/2006 03:59:33 Originally by: thedragoon I found it funny how iorn setup a killbord for the fighting vs nfc and after today's engagment you quickly removed it U know its not nice to lie, we never set-up any killboard for this, in fact we wish we had one because in that battle IRON has 71 kills and 24 loses confirmed, and thats just IRON's kills we havent even counted FLA's kills Considering we were outnumbered with 60 in our gang and over 100 in VFK local before we jumped in, plus there was a fleet in JU we didnt know about till it was right ontop of us. We also trapped our own fleet within our own interdictor bubble when we jumped into VFK. NFC also had a carrier (which really hurts btw advised u not to 8 fighters after u). True NFC held the ground after battle was over but they kept undocking from the station with new ships and slowly IRON/FLA/allied forces were overrun threw pure numbers. I think we did pretty good and we are happy with how things played out. Only down side was BoB sudden show of force in the area and their intrest in FLA/IRON, but not NFC IRON has a killboard http://iron.eve-killboard.net/ and when an admin comes on there will be a Campaign added so we can keep track of our kills and loses In the end it was a nice fight, laggy sometimes but i had fun and at the end of the day thats all i care about edit: spelling _____________________________
Cold Heart	Posted - 2006.07.02 04:42:00 - [19] To the BE & Goon, the same to be said a Heero your help last time helped bring a peace to the dek region and even if you shoot me i'll wont shoot back such is the respect I have for you guys. In fact why dont you come up to our system and see for your self what we are talking about, we have nothing to hide, if you chose to contact a diplomat from FLA :) posted under an alt so I dont get into trouble :P
Northrop	Posted - 2006.07.02 05:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Northrop on 02/07/2006 05:12:58 blah, blah, and finally, blah!!! guys not again... so little space, so many hot heads. stop the bull****, if ya wanna shoot something, come down to cloudring, ill give out 1o goons for every pilot edit: damn now i forgot my ticker, i aint no alt
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.02 05:12:00 - [21] Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: zit me Originally by: Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better Originally by:** Buddrow the funny thing is the politics in this are actully probaly interesting if you care about this sort of thing. im glad i don't half to deal with it cause i am just going to kick the ** out of you. 8 ) you thought the other night was something give it two weeks. and BE guys really... take off the white hat.. it dosn't work for you go back to the we don't care attitude so much better the thing is that Be and us worked hard for what FLA got before we went up there they had noware to live and FLa never owned a station you come along bull** them into some war and now you and them are going to lose everything in one movement I found it funny how iorn setup a killbord for the fighting vs nfc and after today's engagment you quickly removed it Care to tell us your losses today and where this huge fleet is you spoke to FLA about... The fact of the matter is IORN is all but dead and you tried to use a indust alliance to fight your war you and them are as good as finished IMO Bahhh alts :( that was me two reasons your gonna look stupid when you read this first off i invited FLA to dek personally when F-E was being asses to them... so your an idiot they have been here along time secondly by all means please examine the kill ratio and then kindly walk into that hut of yours and chew some more in your foot, it will taste amazing. as good as finished... wow your wow ok yea, it really dosn't matter predicting wars gets noone anywhere ill see you when this one is over. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.02 05:41:00 - [22] two reasons your gonna look stupid when you read this first off i invited FLA to dek personally when F-E was being asses to them... so your an idiot they have been here along time secondly by all means please examine the kill ratio and then kindly walk into that hut of yours and chew some more in your foot, it will taste amazing. as good as finished... wow your wow ok yea, it really dosn't matter predicting wars gets noone anywhere ill see you when this one is over. 2 Reasons why this is going to make you look even more stupid than i could ever be 1 - It was me that brought FLA to the table and through Killmore We moved FLA over (I.E you did not invite them) 2 - point 1 tells me you have no clue about how FLA got there and you really are not buddrow so i would sugggest you post with your main and not an alt's password you were given.. O and aslo you will be seeing me before this is over i am in torrinos at the moment all of alek is on its way send your scouts to take a look Mee thinks you now look incredebly stupid welcome to your 2nd frount......
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.02 05:52:00 - [23] Originally by: thedragoon two reasons your gonna look stupid when you read this first off i invited FLA to dek personally when F-E was being asses to them... so your an idiot they have been here along time secondly by all means please examine the kill ratio and then kindly walk into that hut of yours and chew some more in your foot, it will taste amazing. as good as finished... wow your wow ok yea, it really dosn't matter predicting wars gets noone anywhere ill see you when this one is over. 2 Reasons why this is going to make you look even more stupid than i could ever be 1 - It was me that brought FLA to the table and through Killmore We moved FLA over (I.E you did not invite them) 2 - point 1 tells me you have no clue about how FLA got there and you really are not buddrow so i would sugggest you post with your main and not an alt's password you were given.. O and aslo you will be seeing me before this is over i am in torrinos at the moment all of alek is on its way send your scouts to take a look Mee thinks you now look incredebly stupid welcome to your 2nd frount...... I quick note on this you gotta remember you can not ask the mods to lock this as you did not start it.... so running away from another stupid post is not an option here u will have to come up with some more lies to make your self look better here Darko
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.02 07:28:00 - [24] Why the hell would i post as buddrow? Tbh, beleive what you want, I really dont care. Signtaure removed. - Petwraith
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.02 07:54:00 - [25] Edited by: FotoFlame on 02/07/2006 07:54:54 Originally by: thedragoon the thing is that Be and us worked hard for what FLA got before we went up there they had noware to live and FLa never owned a station you come along bull**** them into some war and now you and them are going to lose everything in one movement the fact of the matter is whoever was moderating the situation in Deklein obviously hasn't a clue about whats been happening up there since they left. As you'd expect from a corporation thats been fighting for Deklein for over 3 years, EXO does, and has kept a close eye on the increasing tension between both alliances for quite some time. i commend you for your work with them in the past, really, but right now you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. ~Foto
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2006.07.02 08:02:00 - [26] Burn Eden and friends, it doesn't matter you set FLA to neutral standings, IRON has them at positive, we are stepping up for them and the future of Deklein (as it has always been our home, in one way or another). Synergy Recruitment
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.02 08:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Buddrow on 02/07/2006 08:33:19 Originally by: thedragoon two reasons your gonna look stupid when you read this first off i invited FLA to dek personally when F-E was being asses to them... so your an idiot they have been here along time secondly by all means please examine the kill ratio and then kindly walk into that hut of yours and chew some more in your foot, it will taste amazing. as good as finished... wow your wow ok yea, it really dosn't matter predicting wars gets noone anywhere ill see you when this one is over. 2 Reasons why this is going to make you look even more stupid than i could ever be 1 - It was me that brought FLA to the table and through Killmore We moved FLA over (I.E you did not invite them) 2 - point 1 tells me you have no clue about how FLA got there and you really are not buddrow so i would sugggest you post with your main and not an alt's password you were given.. O and aslo you will be seeing me before this is over i am in torrinos at the moment all of alek is on its way send your scouts to take a look Mee thinks you now look incredebly stupid welcome to your 2nd frount...... wow i caught myself smacking as well as posting on the forums... thats a big no no usually. anyways to my last reply really your no 2nd front. you can't waltz in and gank the residents anymore its going to be a differnt story mate. IRON is a differnt beast when unchained from territorial defense. but by all means the more the merrier, far to many blues welcome to the party mate the beer is on us the hookers you pay me for ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.02 10:17:00 - [28] Regardless of politics for a second.... damn that was a good fight. I had no idea a second group from JU- had come down. Oh, and a 2300 hit from an apoc on my poor little Moa hurts :( Grats to that pilot (your name is in logs), you had me locked for a while and I didnt perceive you as a threat.
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.02 10:28:00 - [29] Originally by: thedragoon I quick note on this you gotta remember you can not ask the mods to lock this as you did not start it.... so running away from another stupid post is not an option here u will have to come up with some more lies to make your self look better here Darko EDIT * o yeah and we are gonna come and take all of iorns space from you as well!!! wait does iorn have space ? Let's hope it'll be as much of a success as the invasion of IPS, eh?
Luthien Firefoot	Posted - 2006.07.02 11:12:00 - [30] Why am I alwaaays in the pub when these things start. nvm rhetorical. to hte drumbs of beer wego Signature removed - Too wide.Laurelin
Drunken Claptrap	Posted - 2006.07.02 12:32:00 - [31] Good luck everyone. Hope y'all have as much fun as last time. Draft Beer, Not People
D1ABOLIST	Posted - 2006.07.02 13:22:00 - [32] Hmmm Interesting times to be had in the area, and I think (OMG HOW) the thedragoooooooooon has some points but hey, thats what happens. Hmmm so if IRON are better when they're mobile, what are they doing back in Dek? Planning on taking a relaxing time out and not try to sit around in a single area or are you back for good? PS. Iron haven't been posting all their losses from the last week Sure its not from the FLA/NFC fight, but i've forwarded this one to someone in EXO. Enjoy the fights, sounds like it's ganna only be heating up there! (good by the way) ______ Only the good die young....
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.02 13:51:00 - [33] Originally by: D1ABOLIST Hmmm Interesting times to be had in the area, and I think (OMG HOW) the thedragoooooooooon has some points but hey, thats what happens. Hmmm so if IRON are better when they're mobile, what are they doing back in Dek? Planning on taking a relaxing time out and not try to sit around in a single area or are you back for good? PS. Iron haven't been posting all their losses from the last week Sure its not from the FLA/NFC fight, but i've forwarded this one to someone in EXO. Enjoy the fights, sounds like it's ganna only be heating up there! (good by the way) You might want to tell NFC to post their losses too; they're wasting money on their killboard if they don't try to keep it accurate.
D1ABOLIST	Posted - 2006.07.02 14:24:00 - [34] That may be so, I don't really have a side in this, I'm neutral to all (shooty shooty), just someone brought it up and I thought they'd like it to be accurate as possible (as their alliance is one of shotting everything, so KB do matter to them for now). If you read my post it had nothing about NFC. But that is beside the point, I mainly want to know if IRON will be staying in the "North" (? heck to me it's always looked like the north-west but ya know...) If they do are they ganna revert to the north standings? Or are they ganna drive a wedge into there and **** off some of the neighbours that matter? As i said, it will be interesting, and interesting things are good. (No i don't have anything against Iron, this is not a post as such, meerly questions...just before u ask) ______ Only the good die young....
General Xenophon	Posted - 2006.07.02 19:49:00 - [35] You know... I am new to the area but all this *****ing about past events is really not helping anyone. Let's deal with the present, which is a un-unified Deklein. If there are indeed people willing to negotiate as they say, then let them meet and make someting work. FLA says this, NFC says that, IRON jumps in from it's old age and pretends to suddenly be interested in Deklein... Where were they in the last war? Why this sudden interest in the FLA? What is in it for IRON? BoB is now moving about the area like vultures... (Didn't see this coming! SARCASM) Good work guys, let's just make sure Deklein is broken and weakened beyond the point of reason so that the enemies of D2 can break through this border and set up shop. This dis-unity is pitiful, and all of this rhetoric on the forums is more about people getting to spout off their own PR without acutally TRYING to hear the other side of the story. I make an effort to go out of my way to ask opposing forces what they believe and why. Hey, who knows maybe I will learn something from that! it certainly wouldn't hurt if people made an EFFORT to listen to the other sides views here vs argueing back and forth. For those that have indeed tried to make the peace work, and indeed try to listen to other views THANK YOU! There are some who are working hard to ammend this situation in Deklein, and they deserve high praise for that. It is to all of our benefits here in Deklein if we can be unified! For all that I try to understand about both sides of the arguement, I am continually frustrated by people stubbornly refusing to admit that they may indeed have been wrong. There have been bad decisions on all sides of this issue! Get over it and admit to our mistakes. If we cannot unify Deklein, then none of us deserve it! I am sure that those who are waiting eagerly to take it when we are at our weakest, will have no problem doing so. Then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.02 20:46:00 - [36] Edited by: Turiya Flesharrower on 02/07/2006 20:46:10 Originally by: General Xenophon It is to all of our benefits here in Deklein if we can be unified! BORING! This 'negotiation' malarky is incredibly tedious. Do you have any idea what happens to alliances that are surrounded by nothing but blues? They decay and die! People will not be content with mining and ratting all day, this is an absolute certainty. A war in Deklein is best for everyone involved.
maccrat	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:09:00 - [37] Edited by: maccrat on 02/07/2006 23:09:19 poo bum willy
Beigehornet	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:08:00 - [38] Just a note for the actual agression that has taken place and not the politics of the previous days and so on. FLA agressed NFC at 1 minute past their supposed dead line with a Bubble camp. Nice reception ey Welcome back IRON lets all play hard and see what happens.
Entilzah Valen	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:02:00 - [39] ffs shoot each other again already
Trent Hawkins	Posted - 2006.07.03 05:38:00 - [40] Edited by: Trent Hawkins on 03/07/2006 05:43:38 my opinion, yay for opinions with mixes of facts. yay. I just felt like saying something cause it is late and that is what I do when it is late. From the end of the 1st war, it was agreed upon that RFY-QB was to remain a neutral ground, aka no SOV claming, (to much discomfort to FLA since we had many POSs in that area). FLA removed their SOV claims. NFC never did, and in fact turned on SOV claims (including a system we had POSs in). And to me that was a slap in the face. It is kinda sad that I expect this nature from people, I blame working in retail all those years. Always a reminder that the majority of people suck at life. I don't know if war was the right choice to do, but it's better than people treated like crap and having agreements walked upon. I don't know the details of it all, and I doubt I ever will. Peace and cooperation would be nice, but we'll see if it's ever possible. Perceptions and the like are too muddled by whatever. edited some typos and such.
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:13:00 - [41] Only 2 systems were to remain with no sovereignty. C'mon guys, read the agreement.
Trent Hawkins	Posted - 2006.07.03 08:05:00 - [42] You are right, that obsceure topic does say 2 systems. I just never saw it before nor heard what two systems they were. I do remember there being a big deal made about that constellation before and how is was going to be neutral for the entire constellation. It may have changed to two systems, I just never got the memo. I don't know what they are, but I can guess they are either WUZ, 3T7, or N2IS (or something similar (not in game too lazy to check)). If one was 3t7, well SOV for NFC went up a couple days after the beginning peace talks. And then the talk over that constellation occurred and people were upset and the like. I remember the situation clearly as it was a very talked about topic on TS. I also remember after it was decided that FLA was only going to the constellation with 3jn as "theirs" cause I was like hmph, we took down both of our SOVs, wonder if they are gonna down theirs. But I brushed it aside as maybe it will just take a couple more days. If 3t7 wasn't, then I am wrong. My bad. But back to the point, I don't know the reasons for this conflict, and to be honest I don't really care. I don't care who did what to what treaty protocol. FLA is acting on the once bitten twice shy prinicpal and I cannot fault them for that. It is time for NFC to be the bigger man (or woman in some cases). FLA was the last time, now it is your turn. So one thing you of NFC should do is not just say you are open for peace talks or encourage FLA to talk with you, but force peace talks. Contact CEOs, council members, whatever, daily. PM them, evemail them. Until you do, fighting will most likely continue. Unless you like a state of war in the space you call home (I know I don't). If you truely want a stable region, force it to change. Don't point fingers. Don't cite events. Don't puff your chest saying they should come to you or whatnot. Don't say the demands are ridiculous and you won't talk until they have new demands. It just spurs more anger and frustration on both sides. Put things in the past and make FLA do the same and stop this stupid fighting. I apologize for the horrible grammar, spelling, and thought structure. It is very late and I am very sleepy.
moroti	Posted - 2006.07.03 08:39:00 - [43] Congratulations NFC, you finally got the excuse to try and remove FLA from the 3JN constellation that you've wanted for so long. Lets hope IRON prove less of a hinderance to logistics than d00m did.
MiA Greasy	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:22:00 - [44] People take these things entirely too seriously. Its a game and should be taken "fairly lightheartedly" at least. Yes everyone is shooting everyone else again. But the more we test ourselves, our resolve, our mettle the stronger the end product that spills from the cauldron of war. FLA rose bloodied last time by the war and it gave them conviction and confidence... and NFC have proven they too have steeled themselves since last time round with more efficent responses. Whatever the end result those who are left standing will be ever more bloodied and determined to retain what they have fought for, but logic dictates that however it works out there can be only one alliance ruling Deklien as a split reigon allows too many dark corners for shady characters to congregate. I vote we all reform under a new alliance banner N.O.B.S (Northern Order of Bobite Servants) the name alone will give us ultimate power! o/ ~Look a Bob intercepter..... Local just shot up to 3.......... heeeyy i'm in a clone vat?~ True Story
Ozzie Asrail	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:14:00 - [45] Aw man, i leave Dek for a while to go see the galaxy and things get fun I think my eve-break might not last too long. It's pretty revealing that the first reply is by an FLA (ceo?) and contains more propaganda as usual, i think every statment there is wrong. I have no idea how FLA think they are being pushed around, you have a station, you can mine and rat and complex anywhere in dek, I know for a fact that some nfc corps used 3jn as a home base and regulary mined and refinded there. IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA -----
ToneLock	Posted - 2006.07.03 15:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really. Still, it's nice to know that that judging by the responses on this thread people are seeing through the usual propaganda, spin and BS. Deklein is home to the NFC now IRON, you walked away from it leaving the residents there to defend it. Defend it we will.
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:51:00 - [47] Originally by: ToneLock Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really. not at all, if IRON wanted a war in Deklein then we'd simply start one. speak to your alliance leaders about why we're here, its obvious that they're keeping something from you. good fight today btw. ~Foto
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:03:00 - [48] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: ToneLock Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really. not at all, if IRON wanted a war in Deklein then we'd simply start one. speak to your alliance leaders about why we're here, its obvious that they're keeping something from you. good fight today btw. ~Foto Seems to me that you have started a war in Deklein, Foto. BTW, Tonelock is one of those alliance leaders. I suppose he is hiding things from himself?
Lao TseTung	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:46:00 - [49] As a former member of FLA, and meaning no disrespect, the fact of the matter seems to be that NFC is about as trustworthy as the huns and FLA et. al. should just relentlessly pound them until they crumble. yes, yes, this is an alt, last thing I need is a war dec.
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Lao TseTung As a former member of FLA, and meaning no disrespect, the fact of the matter seems to be that NFC is about as trustworthy as the huns and FLA et. al. should just relentlessly pound them until they crumble. yes, yes, this is an alt, last thing I need is a war dec. Keep in mind that this conflict is a result of an ultimatum that FLA issued. Remember that according to those corps who brokered the ceasefire, the very same corps that fought with FLA against NFC in the last conflict, NFC abided by both the letter and the spirit of the agreement.
Moridan	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:02:00 - [51] See, thats what confuses us Foto. Why all the subterfuge and lies? If you wanted a fight, you coulda just said so. All this is not going to save face in the end, it will make it worse. We don't know why you want to fight, i guess you're all just a bit bitter from something. Its turned into quite the farse really. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:14:00 - [52] Originally by: ToneLock Originally by: Ozzie Asrail IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA Couldnt have said it better myself. Its no secret that IRON despise the NFC and coupled with the fact that IRON approached FLA prior to all this being kicked off in an attempt to instigate war in Deklein says it all really. Still, it's nice to know that that judging by the responses on this thread people are seeing through the usual propaganda, spin and BS. Deklein is home to the NFC now IRON, you walked away from it leaving the residents there to defend it. Defend it we will. Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids. As far as I'm concerned, this war is karmic debt for your cowardice. That being said. Props to everyone on the fight saturday in VFK. It was great fun. Good luck to all involved, the killing has been and will be fun. Props to NFC for putting up a decent fight on saturday. If nothing else, you made the fight interesting. I don't speak for iron. I'm simply an old iron member that has gone another way. I don't speak for PRIK either. Simply put, my opinions are my own. Treat them as such, and feel free to disagree. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Moridan	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:46:00 - [53] Quote: Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids. Your statement here is establishing a new moral low. Several of the NFC members have been defending and living in Dek from the NSA/GNW days and never left, and been fighting the whole time. And in fact the NFC now is more more than a couple miners that IRON let live in Dek. But whatever ... "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.03 19:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Moridan Quote: Oh this is rich. I seem to recall most residents of dek hiding like cowards when hostiles were about in the IRON days. Now the space is yours and NOW you defend it? Thats not exactly the moral high ground kids. Your statement here is establishing a new moral low. Several of the NFC members have been defending and living in Dek from the NSA/GNW days and never left, and been fighting the whole time. And in fact the NFC now is more more than a couple miners that IRON let live in Dek. But whatever ... A few, stood and fought for their homes. Most didn't. If you belonged to the ones that were standing up. Then I salute you. But those people were few and far between when compaired to the total. I remember looking at Dekcom with 150 people in it and not one single response to the call for a defense fleet. This didn't happen once or twice, it happened nightly. It's just awfully funny that you guys are now fighting so hard for something you couldn't be bothered to fight for then. Until it was handed to you in exchange for nothing. All of that aside, I'm just here to kill stuff. I don't care about the greater outcome. So, good luck IRON/FLA. And to NFC. Lets see what you are made of. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.03 19:57:00 - [55] Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08 OK Foto, why not start a new thread stating exactly what IRON's interest in Deklein is. After an official alliance announcment stating quite categorical that you had had enough of POS's and fuel and station management etc. etc. you turn up on our doorstep and start shooting anything thats not in an blue alliance. Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!! --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Beigehornet	Posted - 2006.07.03 20:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Tozmeister Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08 Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!! EY IM DAVID HOPE
Ozzie Asrail	Posted - 2006.07.03 20:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Beigehornet Originally by: Tozmeister Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08 Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!! EY IM DAVID HOPE No I'm Spa... David Hope! -----
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.03 20:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Beigehornet Originally by: Tozmeister Edited by: Tozmeister on 03/07/2006 19:58:08 Edit: I'M DAVID HOPE !!!! EY IM DAVID HOPE IMPOSTERS!!! I'm David Hope.
Rytir	Posted - 2006.07.03 20:20:00 - [59] who the fk is David Hope
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.07.03 20:26:00 - [60] hurry up and shoot each other already High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
marcouk2	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:34:00 - [61] Edited by: marcouk2 on 03/07/2006 21:34:06 Originally by: Kaeten hurry up and shoot each other already Iron's got over 300 nfc kills on our killboard already, that enough shooting for you?
Lightof God	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:53:00 - [62] seeingas a chunk of em are my deaths. Nope keep trying ive got lotsa ships to loose yet.
mustkill2	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Lightof God seeingas a chunk of em are my deaths. Nope keep trying ive got lotsa ships to loose yet. Thats right son. Keep your pecker up. I think your gonna need it
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:36:00 - [64] Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 22:41:51 riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone. ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron.
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:09:00 - [65] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:01:07 riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone. ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron. btw: im david hope.. if we are missing kills form our killboard, please feel free to mail us a list of the kills we are missing we will look into investigate and then slap the **** out of the poeple... trust me we tell our peeps to post our losses. and you need to realise that also some of those kills might be FLA buddie. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:13:00 - [66] granted not all kills are iron but the vast majority are but honestly you belive you guys have only sustained 41 losses? ill gladly post you all of your missing mails. contact me in game if you want (not tongiht tho feck that!
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:33:00 - [67] Edited by: FotoFlame on 03/07/2006 23:33:57 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07 ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims Funny that. According to your killboard you've killed 54 IRON in 3 days. According to our killboard we've killed 332 NFC in 3 days. Are we reading your killboard wrong or something? ~Foto
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:37:00 - [68] yup
Juggernaut Kell	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:52:00 - [69] Uhm, who cares who has the most kills, at the end of the day all that matters is who wins, if we kill 5000 iron ships but they can sustain 500,000 and they only kill 40 of ours but we can only sustain losing 50, I'd say IRON has won, or vice versa, all that matters is who is the first to blink and give in. Other than that.....................like the other guy said, just start shooting each other already, because it sure beats being bored in a nice secure regoin with only rats and asteroids to shoot at.
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.04 00:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07 riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone. ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron. btw: im david hope.. I've seen your killboard, the number of missing loss-mails is staggering. Until you learn to post all mails, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Master Wujen	Posted - 2006.07.04 05:48:00 - [71] Edited by: Master Wujen on 04/07/2006 05:51:47 Originally by: Lord Canabinol Beside the point. By the way, who the **** is david hope? As far as I knew the Alliance leader was Avril DeWar. [URL=http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stfu6kn.jpg][/URL]
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.04 06:22:00 - [72] Originally by: Master Wujen Edited by: Master Wujen on 04/07/2006 05:51:47 Originally by: Lord Canabinol Beside the point. By the way, who the **** is david hope? As far as I knew the Alliance leader was Avril DeWar. this is just childish you are the reason these forums degrad into flames. im sure david Hope is doing all he can to fight this war, regardless of if he wins for loses this is still a game and you acting like a immature fool makes you look like well just what your acting like. we do our talking on the battlefield. and if your in IRON and i or any other leadership find you im gonna slap the living hell out of you, i can tell you that. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Larra Crofte	Posted - 2006.07.04 06:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Larra Crofte on 04/07/2006 06:31:28 (Only slightly OT) To Satan and Burn Eden on behalf of the Noobs you defended, There were a good handful of us that were podded repeatedly in empire after being honestly ~in the game~ only a week or less, because we joined RL friends in a corp that got involved inadvertently in the 1st altercation. We THANK YOU very much for coming to our aid, and look forward to your continued fight for justice/honor. We are still too new to have any official opinion or serious involvement this go around, so hope we don't wind up in the same situation you rescued us from before. Personally, I hope it all works out soon, as I've worked very hard to utilize every minute I can of my newness in training to mine! Can't wait to get back to the "industrial" bits we were famous for Best wishes and thanks again, Larra Crofte (1 mo. old)
Wat0721	Posted - 2006.07.04 08:10:00 - [74] ... ... I am David Hope.
TekkyHead	Posted - 2006.07.04 08:25:00 - [75] Edited by: TekkyHead on 04/07/2006 08:32:21 I've got a David Hope T-Shirt
Shinoobie	Posted - 2006.07.04 09:04:00 - [76] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow granted not all kills are iron but the vast majority are but honestly you belive you guys have only sustained 41 losses? ill gladly post you all of your missing mails. contact me in game if you want (not tongiht tho feck that! Heres another stat for you. My undercover alt docked in VFK has made just over 2.5bill isk in 96 hours of war from the NFC. All from selling overpriced mods and ammo. Also made a killing from all the carebears selling their BS and moving out. Go ahead, take a look at the buy orders for yourself. Currently 2 of each BS on buy order, currently filled the previous. It's amazing what the stats of market trading can tell you. Elite Scouting
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.04 09:27:00 - [77] (Gender issues aside)... I'm David Hope!
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.04 11:14:00 - [78] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07 riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone. ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron. btw: im david hope.. Your good at talking **** arent you? On your killboard, i have counted 54 kills from you to IRON members, by searching IRON. On the IRON killboard, under the campaign "deklien assault", it shows 50 IRON losses, this is only 4 kills out from being 100% accurate. Propaganda is only a useful tool if you are good at it, but your thick, so you might wanna just shutup. On top of this, your killboard shows only 116 losses for the NFC, when ours shows 301 kills on NFC pilots. And you dare to criticise our far more accurate killboard? Nice 1. Door is to the left. Signtaure removed. - Petwraith
Defstar	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Buddrow We do our talking on the battlefield. Hey? So the numerous posts from IRON people stating that "we're gonna kick the **** out of you", boasting about their kill/loss ratio, bragging about how much money they are making is in my imagination? Or does propaganda not count as talking?
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:25:00 - [80] Edited by: Felicia Stone on 04/07/2006 13:26:03 Hi, Not to **** on your bonfire Darko but you have to admit that there are some statistical flaws in your 300:50 k/d ratio.... For example, Your kill figure I would imagine is accurate as is your death figure (You are/were an honourable alliance and so i'll give you that much respect) but you'll notice on most of your killmails that certain outside parties (CORE, FLA, FREEE) are also mentioned... It would be a little unfair to say that we only targeted IRON ships, so while you are racking up appearences on these killmails you and you allies are taking losses (thus the 50 deaths can't really be applied as many FLA/CORE/FREEE pilots have also met their makers at the hands of NFC pilots). I'm sure you'll retort with an argument that you still have more kills overall anyway... I'll counter this argument with the fact that you are the aggressor. All your ships are fitted for PVP, many of your kills are ganks on miners and NPC'ers (not saying these aren't valid, just pointing out that 8 against 1 kills are not exactly a massive indicator of your skill). In closing, yes you have killed alot of us. Yes, you have taken fewer losses. Is 300:50 a decent indicator? Unfortunatly, no. Flic My views/opinions are not those of my corp/alliance... yadda yadda. edit: spelling... duh!
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:45:00 - [81] I am unaware of CORE/FLA etc's losses, all i was doing was commenting on his arguement about the IRON killboard's lack of accuracy, which was tottally unfounded and built around completely made up evidence. I do however agree with your comments that CORE/FLA losses should be taken into account when a ratio is calculated, however, so does thier kills. I have no doubt that this ratio will be massively stacked in OUR favour, whether the kills are just miners or not, this doesnt matter. I know from the history of alliances in deklien that ganked miners reduce morale. On top of this, the fleet battles that I have heard of from IRON's well trained FC's have been won by IRON, not to mention the 3JN slaughter fest and the taking down of a NFC large POS by our capital fleet. Personally, i dont care for kills and killboards or ratio's, all i care about is winning. ------------------
Eta Carinea	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:06:00 - [82] I agree with the recent NFC comments ( I know i would ), there has been a lot of ganks recently for all those in doubt just look at the map which cannot lie you will see the kills spread across dek rather than big blobs that tend to indicate fleet based battles. As the aggressor this does make things a little easier for IRON. BOB and others have used this tactic since the dawn of our civilisations indeed pirates base thier tactics succesfully on it. To be honest some of our members need to follow advice which i have heard the fleet commanders give in channels frequently do not move around alone particulaly do not haul at present and do not mine!! alas do they listen your killboards suggest not. This is taking nothing away from IRON i flew with you guys back then when BOB was chancing thier arm, When i jumped into local the other day with 23 IRON members most of you guys i remember from those hard one battles. Many i respect some of you even even helped me get settled into 0.0. I look forward to the comming fights i do wish and hope that the propaganda stops here that IRON make thier intentions clear same as FREEE perhaps? That our sucesses and failures are measured by those markers rather than the by the death of ships i suspect NFC goals are obvious to secure and hold our homes something that can be measured and has the possibility of success or failure which all on the eve boards will no doubt here the outcome off one way or the other. Hence killboard stats to me are irrelevant. I'll know when i have one i will be living in dek it then follows i'll know when i have lost. How i get to these outcomes is completely irrelivant just that i get thier will be enougth I hope all enjoy the comming fights Eta Opinions are my own not the corps or the alliance etc etc. http://www.geotecheve.co.uk/index.php Quid Si Coelum Ruat
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:10:00 - [83] hell, i say let the propaganda continue. If my side tell me i'm winning, then my moral is boosted. Moral is a major factor in any war. Thats why we have tekky as moral officer. Hes the key to our success ladies and gents. Btw Tekky, i want one of those t-shirts. I'll wear it with my tin foil hat. :)
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:48:00 - [84] While I'm not too fussed about stats and all the rest, I have 1 point to make about kills. You cannot measure damage simply by looking at the number of kills sustained or received, you have to also look at the ship types. 1 HAC kill to 10 BS kills still is in favour of the BS (t1 fitted of course) pilots because of the ISK losses involved. I personally haven't looked at IRON's killboard lately, however I have been told that the ISK loss ratio on the IRON killboard for that first night was 6:1 in NFC's favour. If that is true, who knows. Maybe someone bored enough will check. This was really a pointless post as I don't think either group knows exactly how deep the others' pockets are so measuring in number of kills or ISK is a bit pointless. Stats are useless unless you know how much the other side can sustain, so... Forget the stats, let's fight and see who wins. Then the winner can brag until their heart's content. Good luck to all involved! Av p.s. I am NOT David Hope
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:48:00 - [85] FREEE's intentions: We like to shoot stuff. That is all.
Eta Carinea	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:03:00 - [86] Here let me point you to the post made by your comrades about FREE's intentions in the North. I suspect they will expect you to have read it. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=358527 Originally by: NATMav FREEE's intentions: We like to shoot stuff. That is all. http://www.geotecheve.co.uk/index.php Quid Si Coelum Ruat
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:06:00 - [87] Thank you NATMav, at least thats one cleared up. So whats your interest in Deklein IRON? when are we going to get a statment of intent? --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:02:00 - [88] Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members. ------------------
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:32:00 - [89] Originally by: Darko1107 Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members. You must be pretty ashamed of you decision if you can't publicaly state on the official forums your reasons.... --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:55:00 - [90] Originally by: Tozmeister Originally by: Darko1107 Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members. You must be pretty ashamed of you decision if you can't publicaly state on the official forums your reasons.... why would we need to state it publicly both sides know why
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:16:00 - [91] Originally by: Tozmeister Originally by: Darko1107 Your leadership knows the reasoning, they must be pretty ashamed of thier decision if they are not even willing to tell thier own members. You must be pretty ashamed of you decision if you can't publicaly state on the official forums your reasons.... Nah i'd rather let your leadership sqirm. ------------------
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:22:00 - [92] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 03/07/2006 23:11:07 riiight you say were not posting all our mails? i counted i got onnn 12 killmails on the first nights fighting alone. ACCORDING to your killboard i have got 3 kills forrr 3 days? RIIIIIGHHHtttt..... also your killboard states 41 losses overall. our killboard counts 228 kills................. before you start releasing a propaganda war on the foums you might wanna get your facts straight to back up your claims blah blah yadda yadda flame away iron. btw: im david hope.. hows it going pink High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Zimi Vlasic	Posted - 2006.07.05 02:55:00 - [93] Once a peace deal is worked out we'll be happy to abide by it. Problem is, we were just incredibly bored until this war, and the best thing NFC did for us was to shoot down esgato. Remember, it's only isk, and it grows back!
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.05 03:53:00 - [94] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Once a peace deal is worked out we'll be happy to abide by it. Problem is, we were just incredibly bored until this war, and the best thing NFC did for us was to shoot down esgato. Remember, it's only isk, and it grows back! NFC has heard that before. We accepted pretty much as offered the FLA peace proposal from the last time around. Now they get new friends ('cause the old friends don't respect them anymore) and come back wanting more. As far as esgato... Well, you guys had us at -10 a full two days before we changed you from blue to red. Still, can't fault you for wanting somone to shoot at. I'm really happy to see at least one opposing corp be fully honest about their goals.
Taffun	Posted - 2006.07.05 04:19:00 - [95] I wanted something to shoot at and I'm happy. Is that honest enough?
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:20:00 - [96] Yes it is. That's far more of a honest reply then IRON has come up with. props to FREEE, may all fights be good ones. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:50:00 - [97] I hear that NFC hired mercs to fight with them. including alektrophobia
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:26:00 - [98] o/ kaeten! howsit goin dude
zit me	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Alaesa I hear that NFC hired mercs to fight with them. including alektrophobia If we are under a contract i know nothing of it As i lead the alliance i think i should ! As for fla,bob.iron,free We have slaughtered all we have come across them they do there best to safe up when they see us if they dont they have been killed,, Our losses are small and in the area our alliance has made about 1 billion in loot from kills as we replace all our losses from the alliance the total made will prolly be around 1.2 billion taken in items.
Zimi Vlasic	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:20:00 - [100] since we rarely fly in gangs of more than 5-6 ships, I have no problem saying, yeah, we safe up when we see local jump by 10-15. We're PvPers. We're not stupid and suicidal.
DirtyDozen	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:10:00 - [101] Originally by: zit me Originally by: Alaesa I hear that NFC hired mercs to fight with them. including alektrophobia As for fla,bob.iron,free We have slaughtered all we have come across them they do there best to safe up when they see us if they dont they have been killed,, Our losses are small and in the area our alliance has made about 1 billion in loot from kills as we replace all our losses from the alliance the total made will prolly be around 1.2 billion taken in items. Just toot your own horn a little Yeah i guess it is best if we listen and safe when we see u. Thanks for the warning -------------------------------------------------- U want stripes take ur ass to the service Cause when it's on ain't no time to get nervous
Makosi	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:00:00 - [102] It seems to me that none of the people that are queuing up to fight NFC have come up with a valid reason for doing so; they just say "we just want something to shoot at". Well why not help D2/YOUWHAT defend XZH by fighting a common enemy in Goonfleet? Which is incidentally what NFC were in the process of doing before IRON/FLA/CORE/FREE/PRIK etc. decided to declare war.
Zimi Vlasic	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:04:00 - [103] Originally by: Makosi It seems to me that none of the people that are queuing up to fight NFC have come up with a valid reason for doing so; they just say "we just want something to shoot at". Well why not help D2/YOUWHAT defend XZH by fighting a common enemy in Goonfleet? Which is incidentally what NFC were in the process of doing before IRON/FLA/CORE/FREE/PRIK etc. decided to declare war. D2 leadership had asked us to stand down as far as cloud ring is concerned, and that they may ask us to help when the time comes. We will be there for them when they want us there.
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:11:00 - [104] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Makosi It seems to me that none of the people that are queuing up to fight NFC have come up with a valid reason for doing so; they just say "we just want something to shoot at". Well why not help D2/YOUWHAT defend XZH by fighting a common enemy in Goonfleet? Which is incidentally what NFC were in the process of doing before IRON/FLA/CORE/FREE/PRIK etc. decided to declare war. D2 leadership had asked us to stand down as far as cloud ring is concerned, and that they may ask us to help when the time comes. We will be there for them when they want us there. QFT We recalled everyone back north to respond to the growing threat from Goons, only to sit back and watch. I was as disappointed as anyone. Then again, I've been pushing for an offensive against them for months.
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:22:00 - [105] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail IRON were blatantly looking for a fight with NFC, flying in gang with a noobcorp neutral who kept on "accidently" shooting NFC (with "Hostile to all NFC" in his bio lol), yea right. Then to see him join exo about 5 days later. Without a doubt this has been planned, stange that iron come for an nbsi trip inot PB and then FLA issue an ultimatum. True colours FLA I didn't accidentally shoot NFC members when I was in the noobcorp. It was on purpose. I stated that in local a number of times. Your boys just happened to be there when I was shooting everything that was neutral along the way.(not to mention your guys were easy kills that I didn't have to move much for) Ask ISS. They lost some ships too. This wasn't a prelude to war with IRON though, even if I did join exo in a couple days. I was going to re-join IRON one way or another, due to inactivity in my old corp. I stuck the "Hostile to NFC" in my bio due to a request from one of your members whom I shot down. I also had some pirating in empire to do before I could re-join EXO(seeing as they don't like pirating) so yet again, done in a noob-corp. Also, seeing as I have travel capability all over the north, it seemed the easiest place to kill people in, not to mention where my ships were based at the time. If they had been based near agil, I would've been harassing southern residents. Targets of convenience are good for me when I have nothing better to do. Originally by: Makosi Well why not help D2/YOUWHAT defend XZH by fighting a common enemy in Goonfleet? Which is incidentally what NFC were in the process of doing before IRON/FLA/CORE/FREE/PRIK etc. decided to declare war. Well, considering they don't need our help to deal with the invasion... We went up there once already, and saw the system locked down by D2/Youwhat, RZR with over 300 friendlies in local, and only around 210 goonies. Pretty sure they have it covered. If not, they know where to find us. And in reguard to people whining about IRON getting mainly ganks, try forming up a fleet please. We love fleet fights.
Idunyken	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:24:00 - [106] You actually asked D2 if they wanted help? you don't ASK d2 if you can join the fight, they always say they've got it under control . Just go in anyway and gank some goonies! it's what we did On a more serious note, I fully agree with the point that we have outside forces (ie goonies) to deal with and should not be fighting amongst ourselves. We we're having a right good time in syndicate before this .
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:18:00 - [107] Originally by: Idunyken You actually asked D2 if they wanted help? you don't ASK d2 if you can join the fight, they always say they've got it under control . Just go in anyway and gank some goonies! it's what we did On a more serious note, I fully agree with the point that we have outside forces (ie goonies) to deal with and should not be fighting amongst ourselves. We we're having a right good time in syndicate before this . i agree, we shouldn't be fighting. If you would care to hand over ju and vfk to me, i'll convince the iron leadership to stand down. Those are my terms, non negotiable. Its been good fun so far anyway, keep it up :)
Derek Rainier	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:23:00 - [108] Originally by: tyrol i agree, we shouldn't be fighting. If you would care to hand over ju and vfk to me, i'll convince the iron leadership to stand down. Those are my terms, non negotiable. Its been good fun so far anyway, keep it up :) That's my home and you can't have it. I guess we'll see how you negotiate from the comfort of your pod!
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.06 22:56:00 - [109] Originally by: Derek Rainier Originally by: tyrol i agree, we shouldn't be fighting. If you would care to hand over ju and vfk to me, i'll convince the iron leadership to stand down. Those are my terms, non negotiable. Its been good fun so far anyway, keep it up :) That's my home and you can't have it. I guess we'll see how you negotiate from the comfort of your pod! actually its my house that got rented out when i went on a drinking binge and vacation... seriously we sent you the notice or return, did you not get the memo? ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.07 10:34:00 - [110] Originally by: Derek Rainier Originally by: tyrol i agree, we shouldn't be fighting. If you would care to hand over ju and vfk to me, i'll convince the iron leadership to stand down. Those are my terms, non negotiable. Its been good fun so far anyway, keep it up :) That's my home and you can't have it. I guess we'll see how you negotiate from the comfort of your pod! You may be living thre, but every brick in that station has Buddrow's name on it.
Idunyken	Posted - 2006.07.07 14:17:00 - [111] Edited by: Idunyken on 07/07/2006 14:18:03 Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Derek Rainier Originally by: tyrol i agree, we shouldn't be fighting. If you would care to hand over ju and vfk to me, i'll convince the iron leadership to stand down. Those are my terms, non negotiable. Its been good fun so far anyway, keep it up :) That's my home and you can't have it. I guess we'll see how you negotiate from the comfort of your pod! You may be living thre, but every brick in that station has Buddrow's name on it. good thing it's made of metal alloys and advanced plastics then
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.07 14:24:00 - [112] so its wipe-clean? --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Carella Fortune	Posted - 2006.07.07 15:25:00 - [113] So are u saying that all that u want is the stations not a stable north? As if u will stop fighting when you get the station you have contradicted yourself?
Qual'thek	Posted - 2006.07.07 15:50:00 - [114] Yeah hurry up and get this BS out of the way. I have lots of mining to do
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.07 17:15:00 - [115] Originally by: Carella Fortune So are u saying that all that u want is the stations not a stable north? As if u will stop fighting when you get the station you have contradicted yourself? no, we want a stable region, but we also need a station to house our fleet of mining ospreys, and another to build all our frigs in and said ospreys. And if you look behind the steel and plastic, you will find the station is all brick and we paid extra to have buds name engraved onto them all, i'll show you when i knock a few chunks off when were pounding hell out of it :)
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.07.07 18:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow o/ kaeten! howsit goin dude fine I see your back in 0.0, come bac kif you get bored High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Marko Debreault	Posted - 2006.07.07 18:36:00 - [117] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Makosi Well why not help D2/YOUWHAT defend XZH by fighting a common enemy in Goonfleet? D2 leadership had asked us to stand down as far as cloud ring is concerned, and that they may ask us to help when the time comes. We will be there for them when they want us there. We recalled everyone back north to respond to the growing threat from Goons, only to sit back and watch. I was as disappointed as anyone. Then again, I've been pushing for an offensive against them for months. I guess thats the price you pay for being lapdogs. You can't decide your own destiny, although frankly, even if you did, no one would notice.
Escobar Noreaga	Posted - 2006.07.07 21:22:00 - [118] Originally by: Marko Debreault I guess thats the price you pay for being lapdogs. You can't decide your own destiny, although frankly, even if you did, no one would notice. Kinda sounds like ur trying to start something..... ------------------------------------------------- Pimpin Hoes and Slammin Cadillac Doors...... I'm stealth like a robot hidden in the fat ******* of Cartman.....
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.08 03:22:00 - [119] Originally by: Marko Debreault I guess thats the price you pay for being lapdogs. You can't decide your own destiny, although frankly, even if you did, no one would notice. We decide our own destiny just fine, thanks. D2 are our friends, they give us space to live in, and all they ask in return is that we help repel hostiles when we encounter them in their space. We have never been ordered to take part in their fleets, nor would there be any penalties if we were to move against Goons. We respect them enough to offer up our assistance, and also back down when they tell us would prefer to handle it themselves. Fact of the matter is, we don't like GF. Primarily because of the forum wars of the past and rivalry between Somethingawful (Goons) and TribalWar (where a good chunk of our members are from). Beyond that, allowing an alliance of their size and organization to prosper is bad in any military scenario. As for being noticed, we don't care to be. We're just a bunch of drunks that like to fight, win or lose.
Elendar	Posted - 2006.07.08 10:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Archangel Deck in that battle IRON has 71 kills and 24 loses confirmed, and thats just IRON's kills we havent even counted FLA's kills Considering we were outnumbered with 60 in our gang slowly IRON/FLA/allied forces were overrun threw pure numbers. I think we did pretty good and we are happy with how things played out. 60 of you got overrun yet you have only 24 deaths? i'd sugest either you stop your pilots running away, or you post the rest of your losses Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.08 13:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Pink Marshmellow o/ kaeten! howsit goin dude fine I see your back in 0.0, come bac kif you get bored too many iron about to shoot and too many fla running away and too many roids to mine and and and to get bored but why dont you bring kif up here if your still looking to pick fights with people
BOSSMAN69	Posted - 2006.07.08 14:39:00 - [122] Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Archangel Deck in that battle IRON has 71 kills and 24 loses confirmed, and thats just IRON's kills we havent even counted FLA's kills Considering we were outnumbered with 60 in our gang slowly IRON/FLA/allied forces were overrun threw pure numbers. I think we did pretty good and we are happy with how things played out. 60 of you got overrun yet you have only 24 deaths? i'd sugest either you stop your pilots running away, or you post the rest of your losses Good grief will you read what you quoted first, before making stupid rash statements. WE HAVE NOT COUNTED FLA's KILLS/LOSSES Victories are only possible if there is combat Combat is only possible if there is WAR
Eta Carinea	Posted - 2006.07.08 23:12:00 - [123] Originally by: BOSSMAN69 Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Archangel Deck in that battle IRON has 71 kills and 24 loses confirmed, and thats just IRON's kills we havent even counted FLA's kills Considering we were outnumbered with 60 in our gang slowly IRON/FLA/allied forces were overrun threw pure numbers. I think we did pretty good and we are happy with how things played out. 60 of you got overrun yet you have only 24 deaths? i'd sugest either you stop your pilots running away, or you post the rest of your losses Good grief will you read what you quoted first, before making stupid rash statements. WE HAVE NOT COUNTED FLA's KILLS/LOSSES Emmm and i thought thats what FLA got you guys in for to do the killing because they sure can't. Still the battles go on http://www.geotecheve.co.uk/index.php Quid Si Coelum Ruat
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.09 02:44:00 - [124] The NFC certainly has some top quality smackers, there's no doubt about that. Pity it has zero bearing on the game though.
Kyria Timeyu	Posted - 2006.07.09 03:43:00 - [125] IRON should probably post their dreadnought losses from yesterday if they want to keep any shred of respectability.
Antigen Po	Posted - 2006.07.09 06:41:00 - [126] Originally by: Kyria Timeyu IRON should probably post their dreadnought losses from yesterday if they want to keep any shred of respectability. Anyone in goons who requests this should be aware that IRON losses had a ton to do with goons spamming local (fofofofofofofo?) to lag out the pilots. Ive been watching whats been going on in cloudring pretty closely, and have been willng to give teh Goons the benefit of the doubt about their tactics for causing lag. However....based on IRON reports and logs, its OBVIOUS that goons are doing what they can to lag out their opponents. IRON logs will show this, and IRON petitions will show this also. We're waiting for Goons to get banned for these kind of unhonrable acts. Its a complete shame that an opponent like Goonswarm, with 2nd highest number in the game has to result to these exploitative tactics. Like any member of eve will tell you, its best to show your strength without resorting to exploits. Please goons dont do this again, as you will be reported repeatedtly and your previously deserved respect in combat will go down the tubes.
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.09 07:35:00 - [127] Originally by: Antigen Po Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:45:56 Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:44:58 Originally by: Kyria Timeyu IRON should probably post their dreadnought losses from yesterday if they want to keep any shred of respectability. Anyone in goons who requests this should be aware that IRON losses had a ton to do with goons spamming local (fofofofofofofo?) to lag out the pilots. Ive been watching whats been going on in cloudring pretty closely, and have been willng to give teh Goons the benefit of the doubt about their tactics for causing lag. However....based on IRON reports and logs, its OBVIOUS that goons are doing what they can to lag out their opponents. IRON logs will show this, and IRON petitions will show this also. We're waiting for Goons to get banned for these kind of unhonrable acts. Its a complete shame that an opponent like Goonswarm, with 2nd highest number in the game has to result to these exploitative tactics. Like any member of eve will tell you, its best to show your strength without resorting to exploits. Please goons dont do this again, as you will be reported repeatedtly and your previously deserved respect in combat will go down the tubes. - Antigen Po / Freelancer Alliance /signed We had a covert that had visual on the situation and reported the same. No respect.
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.09 08:41:00 - [128] Originally by: NATMav We had a covert that had visual on the situation and reported the same. No respect. 1) Fofofo has been the victory cry of GoonFleet since its inception. Old-school UO players may get the reference. 2) If you were watching, or check your logs, you'll notice that goons shouted fofo in local after both dreads were dead, at a point when only a single rapier was hostile in local, and that rapier was stuck in a cyno field. 3) Apart from one offender who repeated it, each goon said fofo once. That one guy who repeated it three times has been internally reprimanded. 4) It's almost impossible to be lagged out by chat. If this was not the case, rookies would be disconnected as soon as they logged on. 5) If you're still unhappy, petition it, and get back to us when a neutral party has gone over the logs. I'm quietly confident that we'll be exonerated. 6) When you cyno in dreads five kilometers away from a conqurable station with a hundred hostiles in local and no support, blaming the losses on the victory celebration after smacks of sour grapes.
roikorev	Posted - 2006.07.09 08:55:00 - [129] Originally by: Antigen Po Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:45:56 Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:44:58 Originally by: Kyria Timeyu IRON should probably post their dreadnought losses from yesterday if they want to keep any shred of respectability. Anyone in goons who requests this should be aware that IRON losses had a ton to do with goons spamming local (fofofofofofofo?) to lag out the pilots. Ive been watching whats been going on in cloudring pretty closely, and have been willng to give teh Goons the benefit of the doubt about their tactics for causing lag. However....based on IRON reports and logs, its OBVIOUS that goons are doing what they can to lag out their opponents. IRON logs will show this, and IRON petitions will show this also. We're waiting for Goons to get banned for these kind of unhonrable acts. Its a complete shame that an opponent like Goonswarm, with 2nd highest number in the game has to result to these exploitative tactics. Like any member of eve will tell you, its best to show your strength without resorting to exploits. Please goons dont do this again, as you will be reported repeatedtly and your previously deserved respect in combat will go down the tubes. - Antigen Po / Freelancer Alliance Bunk... the fofofo lag must work retroactively because it only happened AFTER both dreads were killed and podded. So please less whine and excuses, and more accepting that you lost fair and square.
Shinoobie	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:08:00 - [130] Edited by: Shinoobie on 09/07/2006 10:11:13 Originally by: roikorev Edited by: roikorev on 09/07/2006 09:40:57 Originally by: Antigen Po Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:45:56 Edited by: Antigen Po on 09/07/2006 06:44:58 Originally by: Kyria Timeyu IRON should probably post their dreadnought losses from yesterday if they want to keep any shred of respectability. Anyone in goons who requests this should be aware that IRON losses had a ton to do with goons spamming local (fofofofofofofo?) to lag out the pilots. Ive been watching whats been going on in cloudring pretty closely, and have been willng to give teh Goons the benefit of the doubt about their tactics for causing lag. However....based on IRON reports and logs, its OBVIOUS that goons are doing what they can to lag out their opponents. IRON logs will show this, and IRON petitions will show this also. We're waiting for Goons to get banned for these kind of unhonrable acts. Its a complete shame that an opponent like Goonswarm, with 2nd highest number in the game has to result to these exploitative tactics. Like any member of eve will tell you, its best to show your strength without resorting to exploits. Please goons dont do this again, as you will be reported repeatedtly and your previously deserved respect in combat will go down the tubes. - Antigen Po / Freelancer Alliance Bunk... the fofofo lag must work retroactively because it only happened AFTER both dreads were killed and podded. So please less whine and excuses, and more accepting that you lost fair and square. EDIT: Now with proof, Quote: [ 2006.07.08 05:47:07 ] EVE System > Channel changed to C4C-Z4 Local Channel [ 2006.07.08 05:48:46 ] Orbital Drift > ooooh [ 2006.07.08 05:48:48 ] Orbital Drift > ahhhh [ 2006.07.08 05:50:06 ] Orbital Drift > ininin [ 2006.07.08 05:51:45 ] Delors > AUS AUS AUS DER SPIEL IST AUS [ 2006.07.08 05:53:01 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > damn, bad timing IRON [ 2006.07.08 05:53:15 ] Eruru > fofofo [ 2006.07.08 05:53:15 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > fofofo [ 2006.07.08 05:53:16 ] Zosh > fofofo [ 2006.07.08 05:53:18 ] Buff Daddy > fofofofofofo [ 2006.07.08 05:53:18 ] Nurpicles > fofofofo [ 2006.07.08 05:53:18 ] Richard Face > fofofofof [ 2006.07.08 05:53:18 ] Foodchain > fofofof [ 2006.07.08 05:53:18 ] Kara L'gawr > fofofofof and the killmail of the second dread: Quote: 2006.07.08 05:52 Victim: Buddrow Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Corp: E X O D U S Destroyed: Moros System: C4C-Z4 Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Katane Usamo Security: 3.6 Alliance: GoonSwarm Corp: GoonFleet Ship: Raven If you wish to retain ANY shred of respectability I recommend you issue an apology to goonswarm for lying and tainting their reputation to save face on the forums. Isk can replace the dread losses, but it can't replace respect. For FLA to retain respect? Or did you mean IRON?. You see IRON lost the dreads and a FLA guy made the post. IRON has no respect to loose currently as we will await the decision of the GMs and upon that result will honour it either way. But seeing as you like to come on the forums beating your chest with a 24 day old alt it makes you main loose an awfull lot of respect, if we ever found out who you are, as you don't have the face to go public. I speak with my main, I do not cowardly hide behind an alt. Thanks, Shin Edit: Spelling Elite Scouting
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:34:00 - [131] Originally by: Shinoobie For FLA to retain respect? Or did you mean IRON? I hate alt posts as much as the next guy, but when an alt quots a FLA guy, I'm pretty sure he's talking to FLA. That said, would IRON like to confirm that FLA was spreading a mistruth, and that fofo occurred after both dreads were dead? If not, I'm sure FLA will be along to clear up the issue in a minute, after which I'll go play Duke Nukem Forever.
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:46:00 - [132] Not that I don't enjoy seeing IRON squrim over another absent killmail, but this arguement should be in one of the goonies threads. Not in an NFC thread. We've had one thread locked already for discussing killmails/killboards. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:50:00 - [133] Originally by: Tozmeister Not that I don't enjoy seeing IRON squrim over another absent killmail, but this arguement should be in one of the goonies threads. Not in an NFC thread. Quoted for apology. We thought it best to clear up this accusation before it started in the echo chamber. Any further discussion on the topic of the last seven posts, please toddle over to here. Leave your alts at the door. We'll be waiting, FLA, I'll put the kettle on.
Demarcus	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:59:00 - [134] WOW, you would think NFC pilots would have the common sense to take a break from smacking on the forums after getting absolutly slaughtered in DO6 Friday night.That fight was so lopsided it was like Mike Tyson fighting Corky. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:20:00 - [135] Originally by: Taffun I wanted something to shoot at and I'm happy. Is that honest enough? Peace is pretty boring sometimes. I wonder how many eve-wars have started over boredom.
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:45:00 - [136] Originally by: Cefte 2) If you were watching, or check your logs, you'll notice that goons shouted fofo in local after both dreads were dead, at a point when only a single rapier was hostile in local, and that rapier was stuck in a cyno field. 3) Apart from one offender who repeated it, each goon said fofo once. That one guy who repeated it three times has been internally reprimanded. If that is the case, then I retract my statement.
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:11:00 - [137] Originally by: NATMav If that is the case, then I retract my statement. Please get your covops pilot to go through his logs and cross-reference them with the killmails of the dread pilots, then post the result in the thread I linked above so we can stop messing around with this NFC thread.
Inbred	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:00:00 - [138] Edited by: Inbred on 09/07/2006 18:03:41 Edited by: Inbred on 09/07/2006 18:01:37 Originally by: roikorev the fofofo lag must work retroactively because it only happened AFTER both dreads were killed and podded. So please less whine and excuses, and more accepting that you lost fair and square. If you wish to retain ANY shred of respectability I recommend you issue an apology to goonswarm for lying and tainting their reputation to save face on the forums. Isk can replace the dread losses, but it can't replace respect. in that case why haven't you posted the second dread killmail in here or on your own killboards yet? did the time of the second dread show that it happened during/after the spamming? this i have to see
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:32:00 - [139] Originally by: Inbred does the time on the second dreads killmail show that it went down during/after the spamming? Go ask IRON.
Inbred	Posted - 2006.07.09 21:31:00 - [140] Originally by: Cefte Originally by: Inbred does the time on the second dreads killmail show that it went down during/after the spamming? Go ask IRON. No I'm asking you. You're the ones demanding apologies so i'd just like to know why you haven't posted the second dread killmail on your own killboards yet when you're so quick to post the first one. Or have I just caught you out?
Antigen Po	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:19:00 - [141] Originally by: Cefte Originally by: NATMav We had a covert that had visual on the situation and reported the same. No respect. 1) Fofofo has been the victory cry of GoonFleet since its inception. Old-school UO players may get the reference. 2) If you were watching, or check your logs, you'll notice that goons shouted fofo in local after both dreads were dead, at a point when only a single rapier was hostile in local, and that rapier was stuck in a cyno field. 3) Apart from one offender who repeated it, each goon said fofo once. That one guy who repeated it three times has been internally reprimanded. 4) It's almost impossible to be lagged out by chat. If this was not the case, rookies would be disconnected as soon as they logged on. 5) If you're still unhappy, petition it, and get back to us when a neutral party has gone over the logs. I'm quietly confident that we'll be exonerated. 6) When you cyno in dreads five kilometers away from a conqurable station with a hundred hostiles in local and no support, blaming the losses on the victory celebration after smacks of sour grapes. tbh I wasnt personally there and was going from second hand knowledge. Being that I wasnt personally there I retract my statement and will let IRON or others who were there speak for themselves about it if they feel its warranted. Apologizes Goons for my heated statements.
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:26:00 - [142] We werenÆt going to make a big deal out of it, at the end of the day they're just ships and we have plenty more to throw away but seeming as you couldnÆt resist a dig... 2006.07.08 05:53 Victim: Lost Dragon Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Corp: Synergy. Destroyed: Naglfar System: C4C-Z4 Security: 0.0 ThatÆs the killmail youÆve decided to leave off your killboard, I think youÆll agree that ties in with the timestamp of when you started to spam local. Both are being investigated - the first has just been petitioned under a different category. We await an answer, until then there is nothing more to talk about. ~Foto
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:39:00 - [143] Originally by: FotoFlame 2006.07.08 05:53 Victim: Lost Dragon Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Corp: Synergy. Destroyed: Naglfar System: C4C-Z4 Security: 0.0 ThatÆs the killmail youÆve decided to leave off your killboard, I think youÆll agree that ties in with the timestamp of when you started to spam local. So they started when it was killed, like the Goonies claimed. Thanks for proving that "spamming local" had nothing to do with it.
Cythereon	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:39:00 - [144] Originally by: FotoFlame We werenÆt going to make a big deal out of it, at the end of the day they're just ships and we have plenty more to throw away but seeming as you couldnÆt resist a dig... 2006.07.08 05:53 Victim: Lost Dragon Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Corp: Synergy. Destroyed: Naglfar System: C4C-Z4 Security: 0.0 ThatÆs the killmail youÆve decided to leave off your killboard, I think youÆll agree that ties in with the timestamp of when you started to spam local. Both are being investigated - the first has just been petitioned under a different category. We await an answer, until then there is nothing more to talk about. ~Foto HAY LOOK: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CSFFlame/2006.07.08.05.52.31_copy.jpg I wonder why we started fofofoing. Perhaps because your second dread was killed?
Inbred	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Pan Crastus So they started when it was killed, like the Goonies claimed. Thanks for proving that "spamming local" had nothing to do with it. that proves nothing and screenshots can be easily editted
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.07.10 01:17:00 - [146] Originally by: Inbred that proves nothing, he was in dock range and screenshots can be easily editted. His claim together with the known "spamming" times (05:53:15 ...) proves that they didn't spam local before the dread was killed (maybe during its last few seconds). You'll find that coming up with obscure theories like screenshots being edited is even easier than doing that. ;-) In all sympathy with those struggling to repel the Goonswarm attack, the information posted so far and the absence of any logs posted by IRON clearly shows that the spamming claim is a poor attempt to get out of this embarrassing situation. It's just more embarrassing this way, but some people never learn.
roikorev	Posted - 2006.07.10 01:23:00 - [147] Originally by: Inbred Edited by: Inbred on 10/07/2006 01:02:13 Originally by: Pan Crastus So they started when it was killed, like the Goonies claimed. Thanks for proving that "spamming local" had nothing to do with it. that proves nothing, he was in dock range and screenshots can be easily editted. At the end of the day the dread pilots and everyone who was there knows what happened. Both dreads were destroyed before there was any fofofo in local. This is an undeniable fact. If the dread pilots are saying anything otherwise they are either blind or flat out lying. I find it really dishonorable that they are saying these things and filing petitions just to save face and get free ships when they must know full well that they lost them fair and square.
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.10 05:11:00 - [148] they are being looked into personally its a ship, not the first i have lost and surely won't be the last. the circumstances were not the best but well hey it never is once the GM's have investigated what we are requesting being looked into we will then post the killmails if our claims are rebuked. it has nothing to do with the NFC campaign, and personally i wouldn't beat your chest's over something the goons accomplished as we had just returned from not only simply liquifying multiple fleets from you but putting your pos into reinforced mode. so pump your breaks just a tad. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Idunyken	Posted - 2006.07.10 07:07:00 - [149] Originally by: Tozmeister Not that I don't enjoy seeing IRON squrim over another absent killmail, but this arguement should be in one of the goonies threads. Not in an NFC thread. We've had one thread locked already for discussing killmails/killboards. Repeated for emphasis...go to the goonie threads already
Mekarae	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:21:00 - [150] It appears that NFC has had a change of leadership (warped core mining are no longer in the NFC). Membership has also dropped from 1140 to around 600. Can someone confirm this please? Who is the new leadership?
vladdy2	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:23:00 - [151] Serious Question to DFC: Have you left NFC IGA? ahh i see above post seems somthing is up --------------------------------- another VNTR member with no sig by Vaevictus :(
Lightof God	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:32:00 - [152] peace be with you man. Paitence is a virtue all will be revealed in time. just wait about 48-72 hrs
Piefke	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:55:00 - [153] NFC does not exist anymore, sad but true.
Ivan Siff	Posted - 2006.07.11 01:02:00 - [154] It would be nice to know what happened.. I logged on in the morning to an alliance at war and logged off to choas, no alliance, fighting IRON, FLA, MC, BoB, X13 and who knows who else reported on the Tac channels (Note: I said reported, no idea if MC and BoB were actually around) all coinciding with D2 opening fire on us while still blue and the mass exodus of our leadership to neutral alliances. Some interesting stories behind the scenes I think , would be nice if the foot soldiers were let in on the know. :) WTFWJD
Lazuran	Posted - 2006.07.11 01:51:00 - [155] Edited by: Lazuran on 11/07/2006 01:51:34 Originally by: Ivan Siff It would be nice to know what happened.. I logged on in the morning to an alliance at war and logged off to choas, no alliance, fighting IRON, FLA, MC, BoB, X13 and who knows who else reported on the Tac channels (Note: I said reported, no idea if MC and BoB were actually around) all coinciding with D2 opening fire on us while still blue and the mass exodus of our leadership to neutral alliances. What we know for sure (i.e. people like me and you, who logged on after that): - 1trav1 (former AUS, then DFC/NFC) was caught making a cyno for Goonswarm, a conveniently placed AUS corp covert ops frapsed it) - DFC refused to kick him and left NFC - d2 set NFC to - (thanks guys, I risked my BS to fight for you in xzh and that's what I get! I bet you still have AUS and their spies who helped Goonswarm set to + ... Backstabbers or just stupid, let the reader decide) - several corps left NFC (currently it is unclear whether any will stay, presumably not due to d2's setting the alliance to -) What is not known: - whether 1trav1 acted in accordance with his corp's leadership or on his own and what the purpose of that action was (i.e. a deliberate attempt to destroy NFC from within, or just his own personal assistance to the Goons - my guess is that he was acting on AUS corp's behalf to destroy NFC) - whether this was in any way related to the FLA/IRON vs. NFC war (seems so, very cunning...) - why all the corps left NFC quickly instead of trying to iron this out (as it seemed to be a single individual's or corp's fault)
Ivan Siff	Posted - 2006.07.11 01:58:00 - [156] Originally by: Lazuran Edited by: Lazuran on 11/07/2006 01:51:34 - 1trav1 (former AUS, then DFC/NFC) was caught making a cyno for Goonswarm, a conveniently placed AUS corp covert ops frapsed it) I saw the vid link being passed around, I wondered why someone would record that, seems very staged to me. In hind sight the events leading up to and including today have been very well orchestrated by someone. :) I just wish it didn't cost us smaller corps in the alliance nearly everything we have ships and asset wise. WTFWJD
Just Hull	Posted - 2006.07.11 02:43:00 - [157] samll corps are allways told to bend over and grab there ankels
vladdy2	Posted - 2006.07.11 03:37:00 - [158] ya weird turn that took, wonder wtf 1trav was thinking. oh well **** happens. props to NFC for fighting, was fun but the carnage was awful tbh. Some good corps were in the now defunct NFC and some good pilots. CORE. wishes you well in your future. --------------------------------- another VNTR member with no sig by Vaevictus :(
Nate D	Posted - 2006.07.11 04:08:00 - [159] I'm a Covert Ops Pilot... I warp to cyno fields... I see people jumping in... I fraps it occasionally... why do things in this game have to be orcastrated... what's up with the conspiracy theories? -Nate D ----------------------------------- My Resume is bait for a job at CCP. If I come off as sarcastic or rude, it's just my American humor.
Ivan Siff	Posted - 2006.07.11 04:17:00 - [160] Originally by: Nate D I'm a Covert Ops Pilot... I warp to cyno fields... I see people jumping in... I fraps it occasionally... why do things in this game have to be orcastrated... what's up with the conspiracy theories? -Nate D because everything is a conspiracy? WTFWJD
qvacky	Posted - 2006.07.11 04:35:00 - [161] Originally by: Lazuran - 1trav1 (former AUS, then DFC/NFC) was caught making a cyno for Goonswarm, a conveniently placed AUS corp covert ops frapsed it) - DFC refused to kick him and left NFC - d2 set NFC to - (thanks guys, I risked my BS to fight for you in xzh and that's what I get! I bet you still have AUS and their spies who helped Goonswarm set to + ... Backstabbers or just stupid, let the reader decide) - several corps left NFC (currently it is unclear whether any will stay, presumably not due to d2's setting the alliance to -) What is not known: - whether 1trav1 acted in accordance with his corp's leadership or on his own and what the purpose of that action was (i.e. a deliberate attempt to destroy NFC from within, or just his own personal assistance to the Goons - my guess is that he was acting on AUS corp's behalf to destroy NFC) - whether this was in any way related to the FLA/IRON vs. NFC war (seems so, very cunning...) - why all the corps left NFC quickly instead of trying to iron this out (as it seemed to be a single individual's or corp's fault) 1trav1 was a member of AUS for less than a month. oddly enough, not every single thing that happens in eve is an AUS conspiracy. Tell me, exactly what would AUS hope to gain from helping the goons in i-uu, especially considering that we reside only a few jumps from there? Yes we have ships in i-uu, yes some of them are cov-ops ships scouting the poses, and yes some of our members like to fraps things. so what? Enough with the god-damn unfounded conspiracy theories already...
Gedekan	Posted - 2006.07.11 05:46:00 - [162] Quote: Tell me, exactly what would AUS hope to gain from helping the goons in i-uu, especially considering that we reside only a few jumps from there? That D2 and others put NFC to - 10 ?! perhapse
Verite Rendition	Posted - 2006.07.11 06:33:00 - [163] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 11/07/2006 06:33:35 Originally by: Lazuran You know, there's no point in hiding this any longer, so I may as well come out in the clear about this. A few months ago, I got fed-up with the NFC. I realized that it was staffed with a bunch of weak carebears, and that it would just be a giant target to get me killed and Deklein taken over by BoB/ASCN/enteralliancehere. Plus, the high population of the region as a result of the alliance's open doors meant that there were numerous miners in the station systems, which was cramping my style for making money. As a result, I decided at that point that the NFC must die, and that the only way to do so was to destroy it from the inside. At that point, 1Trav1 had just moved over from EXODUS to AUS, and I got to know him well enough that I knew he shared a similar opinion of the NFC, and that he could help me with this task. We decided that he'd leave AUS to go join another NFC corp, at which point we'd wait until a hostile corp made a move on the North so that we could frame the NFC and destroy it from within. Unfortunately, nothing happened for a while. I sent merc corps up to NFC space from time to time to harass the NFC, but that was all I could do until a major alliance made a move. That happened a few weeks ago, when Goonswarm attacked Cloud Ring, we knew we had our chance. I began talking to Le Saul of Goonswarm, in order to bring my little plan to fruition; by providing them with the proper intel I could help them get a foothold in Cloud Ring, and eventually they would attack Fade from there. It's also at this point that I managed to convince my dumb-as-rocks CEO Samjax to jump ship from the NFC to CORE, so that we would be out of the way when all of this went down. It was by pure luck at this time that IRON decided to invade. Although it took longer than expected, it finally happened when the Goons decided they were ready to attack Fade. With Le Saul communicating with the Goons and 1Trav1 in place in DFC, we worked out a deal where 1Trav1 would help the Goons get a cyno field in place since he would be able to travel in to Fade ahead of time as a neutral entity. After a false start on 7th(where the invasion didn't go as planned), the Goons began their invasion. 1Trav1 had let me know that day about what was going on, so I was already in place in I-UU in my covert ops ship, waiting for him to give me the signal. I already had FRAPS installed to make bootleg copies of pron(yarr ), so I only needed to wait until Goon began jumping in ships. A little before 4am EVE time on that Sunday, they began their POS placement operation, using 1Trav1 to generate the cyno field. 1Trav1 then let me know that this had begun and let me know where his active cyno field was, and I went there and waited until the next jump. At that point he told me when the next ship was due, and I made sure to capture footage of it jumping in. I then immediately compressed the video and sent it to both D2 and IRON, knowing that it would implicate the NFC as a force helping the Goons. We all had a big laugh about it, and as they say, the rest is history. Now 24 hours later the NFC has disbanded under the weight of D2, and IRON is forcing them to leave the area. I look forward to mining again in Dek without all those damn carebears, and I'd like to give a special thanks to 1Trav1 and Le Saul for helping me with this operation, without them I couldn't have done it. It's been a long time coming, but finally the NFC is dead. PS I'm also the one that started the FLA/NFC war by providing the false intel and being a warmonger. I really hate those guys too for taking CZDJ, my ore, and undercutting my prices on retail goods. You're my next plan, FLA. IF YOU BELIEVE ANY OF THIS, CHECK YOUR SARCASM METER. NONE OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF Thank you to Le Saul, 1Trav1, and Samjax for letting me use your names and fake personalities ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
PuppetmasterX	Posted - 2006.07.11 06:46:00 - [164] Edited by: PuppetmasterX on 11/07/2006 06:49:34 Great read, Conspiracy Theory ftw /me puts on tinfoil hat btw does that mean the era of David Hope is over?
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.11 06:59:00 - [165] david hope is an icon, someone invite him to join iron and make him a director as soon as possible please.
cryptic edge	Posted - 2006.07.11 07:14:00 - [166] Edited by: cryptic edge on 11/07/2006 07:14:35 They disband due to being beaten, broken and just outright out matched. Then they join sparta and now its all good with D2? Im sorry but am I the only one yelling foul? Because from what I see is that 1) Sparta was offered RFY as part of remaining nutral as a thank you for this. 2) D2 got ****ed at 1trav1 and NFC for assisting goons 3) NFC disbands, keeping assets up though the terms for not being persued was that they remove their stuff from ju- and vfk 4) NFC joins Sparta 5) Sparta tells FLA they are taking JU and VFK even though they hold no claim on this, and tells their people they will be willing to go to war with Iron, FLA and any who support us in order to secure JU- and VFK That puts us to current. IMO sparta does not have the man power, nor the resources to control VFK or JU, and this appears to be a ploy to help reestablish the NFC after everyone "forgets" but FLA will not forget. Sparta needs to return to staying out of this issue and allow NFC and FLA to finish off the conflict. NFC is done, NFC assets are either to be taken down or destroyed. They are not to be converted to sparta assets as that territory has been earned by FLA, PRIK, IRON, and CORE. Note- This is my thoughts, not as the council. The above is using verified intel, but my own opinions counting bodies like sheep to the rythm of the war drum
Piefke	Posted - 2006.07.11 07:21:00 - [167] Yes, his time is over, cause you are all great warriors ... this is the time of smack .. have fun and cya ingame folks and take care, you have a corp in your alliance, that can cause some trouble... and i also dont belive in conspiracy, not at all, you won the war, cause you won the fight
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.11 07:36:00 - [168] Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 07:38:57 holy smokes, sparta intend to take over dek now, killing us in the process? *tyrol parks up his retriever and gets his war drums back out
TheDevilsJury	Posted - 2006.07.11 07:46:00 - [169] Originally by: cryptic edge They disband due to being beaten, broken and just outright out matched. Then they join sparta and now its all good with D2? Im sorry but am I the only one yelling foul? Because from what I see is that 1) Sparta was offered RFY as part of remaining nutral as a thank you for this. 2) D2 got **ed at 1trav1 and NFC for assisting goons 3) NFC disbands, keeping assets up though the terms for not being persued was that they remove their stuff from ju- and vfk 4) NFC joins Sparta 5) Sparta tells FLA they are taking JU and VFK even though they hold no claim on this, and tells their people they will be willing to go to war with Iron, FLA and any who support us in order to secure JU- and VFK That puts us to current. IMO sparta does not have the man power, nor the resources to control VFK or JU, and this appears to be a ploy to help reestablish the NFC after everyone "forgets" but FLA will not forget. Sparta needs to return to staying out of this issue and allow NFC and FLA to finish off the conflict. NFC is done, NFC assets are either to be taken down or destroyed. They are not to be converted to sparta assets as that territory has been earned by FLA, PRIK, IRON, and CORE. Note- This is my thoughts, not as the council. The above is using verified intel, but my own opinions your intel is incomplete then, you obviously don't know the full story, nor should you. There is more to each of your points than you show. I will say that if I look at point 3, those may have been the terms you offered they have been refused by many (although I don't know if anyone accepted those "terms"). Regardless, do as you will. ----------------------- sig below Originally by:** ISD I don't think I've ever seen anyone hijack their own thread before
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:06:00 - [170] come on then, lets have the full story. You all know rumours and false info only causes trouble. I need to know if i need to take these mining lasers off my domi or not :-)
moroti	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:15:00 - [171] Verite. We all know it wasn't military weakness though, it was the 15% tax that started your conspiracy I'd love to know the full story too then, as that explanation was an awful lot more detailed and sensible than the one I got last night from my ex corp in NFC. He basically said.. "Avrils corp left. Loads of corps are moving to Sparta, we knew nothing of this but it looks like it was planned days ago. We got shafted. D2 are shooting us. War is over" I'd also appreciate if any IRON member cares to share the truth alluded to many times that NFC command were withholding from their alliance at large.
cryptic edge	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:22:00 - [172] Originally by: TheDevilsJury Originally by: cryptic edge They disband due to being beaten, broken and just outright out matched. Then they join sparta and now its all good with D2? Im sorry but am I the only one yelling foul? Because from what I see is that 1) Sparta was offered RFY as part of remaining nutral as a thank you for this. 2) D2 got ****ed at 1trav1 and NFC for assisting goons 3) NFC disbands, keeping assets up though the terms for not being persued was that they remove their stuff from ju- and vfk 4) NFC joins Sparta 5) Sparta tells FLA they are taking JU and VFK even though they hold no claim on this, and tells their people they will be willing to go to war with Iron, FLA and any who support us in order to secure JU- and VFK That puts us to current. IMO sparta does not have the man power, nor the resources to control VFK or JU, and this appears to be a ploy to help reestablish the NFC after everyone "forgets" but FLA will not forget. Sparta needs to return to staying out of this issue and allow NFC and FLA to finish off the conflict. NFC is done, NFC assets are either to be taken down or destroyed. They are not to be converted to sparta assets as that territory has been earned by FLA, PRIK, IRON, and CORE. Note- This is my thoughts, not as the council. The above is using verified intel, but my own opinions your intel is incomplete then, you obviously don't know the full story, nor should you. There is more to each of your points than you show. I will say that if I look at point 3, those may have been the terms you offered they have been refused by many (although I don't know if anyone accepted those "terms"). Regardless, do as you will. NFC leadership and IRON discussed that as the terms. Good job at failing to meet those terms as well. Good ol NFC, say one thing, do the other. No wonder all your friends abandoned you counting bodies like sheep to the rythm of the war drum
Moominer	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:29:00 - [173] Conspiracy theories or not, something was amiss. That cannot be denied. When this conflict started I said that NFC was doomed from the outset, I expected it to be a complete and utter walkover - JU-/VFK falling within the week due to force. As someone who is happy to take up arms I was mildly supprised to see NFC - at least a the start of the conflict - putting up somewhat of a fight (losing on killboard stats, sure, but there was some drive there at least). At the end of the day it was looking like JU-/VFK was not going to fall by force, at least not immediatly; maybe from bordem or lack of morale over a prolonged period. FLA/IRON were locking down 3JN defensivly for much of this weekend, with offense limited pretty much to a constant annoying gank squad - which was never going to be an immediate threat to NFC hold over JU-/VFK. I dont think we'll ever get to the bottom of what happened with 1Trav1, I doubt anyone really cares that much. At the end of the day it was clear from the outset that NFC was not going to be a force that would remain for very long in the region. Props to IRON/FLA for relitivly smack free fighting over the past week, it's been fun, and I've enjoyed shooting and being shot at :) Eve Fitting Manager
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:31:00 - [174] I only just realised that I don't have an alliance channel! I just hope that there is an official NFC post coming soon.... (I missed practically the entire war I'd just like to thank that enemy manticore pilot for giving me my only kill)
Piefke	Posted - 2006.07.11 08:38:00 - [175] The friends D2 and others got the wrong info, that NFC helped Goonfleet (by the way we hate goonies and fought against them in 4c). Thats the only reason, why all friends set NFC to -10. Keep on telling, what you want, but you didnt won this war. NFC was spoiled by one person and one Video, showing him as a NFC Member helping the goons. not by the Fleet of Iron.
DANGEROUS	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:05:00 - [176] well i am entertained to read this thread - i hope ur reading it trav. i am betting u are enjoying the attention. 1trav1 started pvping predominately under IRON leadership back a year or so ago. he liked to consider himself a talented scout and even gang leader on occasion, however our mate trav isnt the sharpest tool in the box. never was tbh. He got into being a double crossing bastard during the FE battles when he started playing both sides. persoanlly i am most uncomfortable with the concept of feeding live info from their ts onto ur own - its cheap and beneth any good allaince imo. infact - any fc that NEEDS that sort of intel needs to wake up and smell the roses, antcipation allows a better hunt than being spoonfed the intell from some noob who never shut up!! anyway - i have some (particularly one) GOOD friend in DFC and i am MOST disappointed that they have stood by the trav noob - guesss it means i gotta hunt DFC as a whole - which stinks - but
FsZ Furyion	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:13:00 - [177] Originally by: DANGEROUS well i am entertained to read this thread - i hope ur reading it trav. i am betting u are enjoying the attention. 1trav1 started pvping predominately under IRON leadership back a year or so ago. he liked to consider himself a talented scout and even gang leader on occasion, however our mate trav isnt the sharpest tool in the box. never was tbh. He got into being a double crossing bastard during the FE battles when he started playing both sides. persoanlly i am most uncomfortable with the concept of feeding live info from their ts onto ur own - its cheap and beneth any good allaince imo. infact - any fc that NEEDS that sort of intel needs to wake up and smell the roses, antcipation allows a better hunt than being spoonfed the intell from some noob who never shut up!! anyway - i have some (particularly one) GOOD friend in DFC and i am MOST disappointed that they have stood by the trav noob - guesss it means i gotta hunt DFC as a whole - which stinks - but OMG,,now this is a turn up for the books, im actuly in agrement with dangerous..
Lazuran	Posted - 2006.07.11 13:20:00 - [178] Originally by: cryptic edge They disband due to being beaten, broken and just outright out matched. Then they join sparta and now its all good with D2? Im sorry but am I the only one yelling foul? Because from what I see is that As much as FLA would like to beat its puny chest over this and claim to have anything to do with NFC disbanding, noone could take it seriously. The reason why NFC disbanded is simply that D2 set us to -10. There was no future in Deklein for us with this obstacle and we've always respected and supported D2 and saw no reason to change that (and we didn't deserve to be shot by our friends, whom we fought with in XZH, just because one spy so successfully created an incident that turned D2 against us). As for the conspiracy theory - you can hide half-truths in long sarcastic stories and you know as well as I do that the whole thing was staged. Why would 1Trav1 risk being seen (as cynos are usually investigated) betraying D2 in full NFC colors when he could just as well have used an alt? It was a good plan, it worked for you, so I congratulate you on your success.
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.11 13:31:00 - [179] Edited by: Alaesa on 11/07/2006 13:36:51 lol, so FLA had nothing to do with NFC breaking up ? from the killboards and reports it seems that NFC got spanked every time they went against FLA + friends I even heard of FLA FC's falling asleep on the gate camp from boredom I also heard about FLA doing mining ops with NFC next door, not worried about them jumpign through because they knew that the friendly fleet camping the gate would spank them again
DieselH	Posted - 2006.07.11 13:45:00 - [180] Edited by: DieselH on 11/07/2006 13:45:28 I fell asleep camping the 0-2 gate in 3JN every night of the last week. Something doesn't fit here. i'm in an ex-NFC corp btw :)
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.11 13:46:00 - [181] It may surprise you to hear that most alliances can afford to take losses and that the gate camps you speak of were in FLA's home system (i.e. defensive). to paraphrase an IRON member in one of these posts (I forget who so accept my apologies) The only attacks in NFC space were small annoying gank fleets which posed no real threat to the NFC. Ergo, FLA, sorry to burst your bubble, but it would've taken a heck of a lot more fighting to make us disband through force. Now accept your victory with a little grace and fly safe. Flic
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:07:00 - [182] Someone forgot to tell my pilots about this little conspiracy, since we popped 1trav1's Kestrel attempting to enter C4C-Z4 earlier that night, carrying a cyno generator and fuel. Anyhow, if these were indeed the actions of one rogue pilot, why was he not removed form the corp, and barring that, why wasn't the corp removed from the alliance? Certainly, a peaceful resolution with D2 would have been favorable for NFC.
ToneLock	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:36:00 - [183] For the tin-hat brigade.. 1) 1Trav1 DID create a cyno to allow the goons into D2's back yard. 2) There is no conspiracy 3) This wasnt a corp sanctioned action 4) 1Trav1 will not be being removed from DFC. 5) 1Trav1 acted under the belief that what he did was in the best interests of the NFC 6) DFC did not leave Deklein as a result of D2 setting the NFC to -10, we had made our decision to leave well in advance of the cyno incident and will be moving on to new pastures, so to speak. If IRON had intended that it's unwelcome intervention / ultimatum in the North would have caused anything less than absolute chaos (probably for months to come) - take current events as an indication of just how wrong they were. D2's 'impartiality' and unwillingness to lend even public, never mind military support to it's neighbours may ultimately bring about it's downfall. The North is going to be a warzone for some time coming which is a damn shame. The NFC had issues sure, but they were beginning to go in the right direction. What spoilt the NFC were the lazy, selfish industrials when even when their home system was under dire threat, refused to undock in a fighting ship. Out of the good numbers in alliance chat night after night, to see defence fleets of 40 or 50 - sometimes even less was disgusting. D2 setting the NFC to -10 was perhaps one of the best things that could have happened to them. The NFC were forced to disband with the cream of the 'active' corps going to SPARTA, making a much stronger northern alliance without all the dead weight. Oh and just for the record, were it not for IRON & Allies, the NFC would have steam-rollered the FLA. I find it more than annoying to have to read their 'chest beating' on how well they did against the NFC when without IRON intervention they would have been history. Tonelock.
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:37:00 - [184] im still waitinbg for the official post from NFC saying we surrender we surrender, mercy mercy :)
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:37:00 - [185] Originally by: NATMav Someone forgot to tell my pilots about this little conspiracy, since we popped 1trav1's Kestrel attempting to enter C4C-Z4 earlier that night, carrying a cyno generator and fuel. Anyhow, if these were indeed the actions of one rogue pilot, why was he not removed form the corp, and barring that, why wasn't the corp removed from the alliance? Certainly, a peaceful resolution with D2 would have been favorable for NFC. The corp (DFC) removed themselves from the NFC, there was no need to kick them. I do not know why DFC did not kick 1trav1, but chose to stand behind him.
Piefke	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:49:00 - [186] Such a leader or council member of NFC does not exist anymore, but if it makes you happy, i could play one for you... "help dont shoot, mighty enormous enemy fleet plzzzz !!!". Feel confortable now ???
Narny	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:59:00 - [187] And... "Help help pls dont shoot us all o mighty FLA" Closely followed by the echo's of "IRON psst pls come save us we shouted off again and are going to get laughed at" Still yet echo'ing in the distance : "Burn Eden, Dofa help we're being ganked, i think we beat our chests too hard" I look forward to seeing you fight your own battles FLA, but we all know that is'nt going to happen. Narny out.
K Shara	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:14:00 - [188] Edited by: K Shara on 11/07/2006 15:15:29 place keeper. so i can keep track of this thread <><><><><><><><><> Contraband hpookde is so a word !!!!!!!! <><><><><><><><><>
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:17:00 - [189] who said I am part of FLA, I just read the forums and laugh at people
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:20:00 - [190] Originally by: cryptic edge Originally by: TheDevilsJury Originally by: cryptic edge They disband due to being beaten, broken and just outright out matched. Then they join sparta and now its all good with D2? Im sorry but am I the only one yelling foul? Because from what I see is that 1) Sparta was offered RFY as part of remaining nutral as a thank you for this. 2) D2 got ****ed at 1trav1 and NFC for assisting goons 3) NFC disbands, keeping assets up though the terms for not being persued was that they remove their stuff from ju- and vfk 4) NFC joins Sparta 5) Sparta tells FLA they are taking JU and VFK even though they hold no claim on this, and tells their people they will be willing to go to war with Iron, FLA and any who support us in order to secure JU- and VFK That puts us to current. IMO sparta does not have the man power, nor the resources to control VFK or JU, and this appears to be a ploy to help reestablish the NFC after everyone "forgets" but FLA will not forget. Sparta needs to return to staying out of this issue and allow NFC and FLA to finish off the conflict. NFC is done, NFC assets are either to be taken down or destroyed. They are not to be converted to sparta assets as that territory has been earned by FLA, PRIK, IRON, and CORE. Note- This is my thoughts, not as the council. The above is using verified intel, but my own opinions your intel is incomplete then, you obviously don't know the full story, nor should you. There is more to each of your points than you show. I will say that if I look at point 3, those may have been the terms you offered they have been refused by many (although I don't know if anyone accepted those "terms"). Regardless, do as you will. NFC leadership and IRON discussed that as the terms. Good job at failing to meet those terms as well. Good ol NFC, say one thing, do the other. No wonder all your friends abandoned you You are wrong... An IRON guy came to me and offered a surrender. I told him, quite rightly that I was no longer president and couldn't make those decisions anymore. So who did he speak to after that? Who did he make those terms with? There was no leadership at the time...
Anille Kole	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:39:00 - [191] There was no leadership because you quit the alliance and ran away when you realized that smacktalk and lies couldn't win a war the same way guns could. The alliance also disbanded, I'm guessing from your clearly marked alt that remained in NFC after your corporation quit. Now I guess it's up to IRON and FLA to try to contact the corps that still have POS up in ex-NFC space.
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:42:00 - [192] Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 15:49:04 do you know whats worse than winners going about beating their chests acting like their all it (which isnt really happening here), its sore losers who want to blame every little thing for their loss other than the real fact they were spanked. Sore losers who want to take all credit away from the victors who put their time in giving out such beatings. im not a gloater, but it was the iron/fla/core/free fleets which won, not d2 setting you to -10 (which was probably staged to allow you to use it as an excuse) or any other excuse you can come up with. so, because of all your pitiful excuses, all i can hope for is the powers that be allowing us to continue spanking you all the way up to czd to really finish the job. good day oh and these are my own views yadayadayada (oh hell my smack-o-meter just went throught the roof :D)
Cazziel	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:46:00 - [193] Nobody from FLA hasn't said anything about FLA's achievements as a military power but the planned attack with guys who have the power, our long time friends (IRON & guys), was a diplomatic success. We couldn't even control the whole region alone and the true reason (In my opinion) to start the war was obvious from the day one; to remove unqualified leaders who aren't following the rules which stand in the treatments and contracts, and to remove useless leechers who are not willing to defend their region when it's necessary. All of my opinions are my own bla bla bla. When quoting me, don't try to put it like "FLA said that blablabla"
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:11:00 - [194] Originally by: tyrol Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 15:49:04 do you know whats worse than winners going about beating their chests acting like their all it (which isnt really happening here), its sore losers who want to blame every little thing for their loss other than the real fact they were spanked. Sore losers who want to take all credit away from the victors who put their time in giving out such beatings. im not a gloater, but it was the iron/fla/core/free fleets which won, not d2 setting you to -10 (which was probably staged to allow you to use it as an excuse) or any other excuse you can come up with. so, because of all your pitiful excuses, all i can hope for is the powers that be allowing us to continue spanking you all the way up to czd to really finish the job. good day oh and these are my own views yadayadayada (oh hell my smack-o-meter just went throught the roof :D) One last thing I will say on this matter is that NFC had troubles of its own. Neither D2 setting us negative or the war with FLA/IRON etc was the outright cause of the NFC disbanding; these only added to the fundamental problems that the NFC had and made them intolerable for most corps. D2 setting NFC negative was the last straw. Yes tyrol you contributed to NFC disbanding but don't try to take all the 'credit' (hell why would you even want to take credit for destroying something, I don't know?) for something you ultimately didn't achieve alone.
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:39:00 - [195] As Tonelock said earlier 1Trav1 did not act with the knowledge or approval of D-F-C, however he was in communication with a number of high ranking NFC personnel, who didnÆt get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. 1Trav1 will not be kicked as a result of this, as he acted in the best interests of the NFC. The north was destined for months of conflict before the goonies got involved, and if you donÆt see this, please look harder. When IRON/FLA issued their ultimatum, while they were in blatant breach of the treaty, our neighbours and ôalliesö could have halted the conflict straight away, without the need for military support. All the NFC needed was for our ôalliesö to stand up and publicly support the NFC. I found it very ironic that the only people who were willing to do this were Alektorophobia, the very people that fought against us in the previous conflict with FLA and the very people that brokered the peace agreement. Clearly a sign that the NFC had done no wrong and FLA were making a power play for dek. No support came from our allies came and IRON gained allies, the rest as we say is history. As an alliance born out of necessity rather than will, the NFC was destined to ride a rocky road. I just didnÆt think it would ever be as messy as this. The north needs to be unified and the current situation would never allow for that. I have a lot of respect for those corps that tried to make the NFC work, namely GTU, GTEC, Warpe, AETOI and ORC you fought well and with honour. IRON you have fought well and all credit to you. The engagements have been fun and smack free. I would also like to congratulate the way in which you have manipulated the FLA, im sure they will not pose any threat when you come to removing them from dek. FLA, id suggest you start looking on the map for some new allies and a new home, you will be moving soon. Spare me the ôwe have pooned your fleetsö comments, IRON and her allies fought this war, not the FLA. See you soon. As you have probably realized D-F-C is leaving the north and moving on, we have spent a long time fighting for Deklein, but now we need a change of scenery. Id like to wish you the best of luck in rebuilding Deklein. Commander Solo Digital Fury Corporation
Trespasser	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:50:00 - [196] Edited by: Trespasser on 11/07/2006 16:50:44 Quote: im sure they will not pose any threat when you come to removing them from dek. I really dont know where you ppl get this stuff from. Put your tin foil hats away ffs My name is Trespasser and I approved this Message!
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:51:00 - [197] Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 17:12:51 Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 17:09:44 Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 17:01:32 Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 16:54:15 Originally by: Avril Dewar Originally by: tyrol Edited by: tyrol on 11/07/2006 15:49:04 do you know whats worse than winners going about beating their chests acting like their all it (which isnt really happening here), its sore losers who want to blame every little thing for their loss other than the real fact they were spanked. Sore losers who want to take all credit away from the victors who put their time in giving out such beatings. im not a gloater, but it was the iron/fla/core/free fleets which won, not d2 setting you to -10 (which was probably staged to allow you to use it as an excuse) or any other excuse you can come up with. so, because of all your pitiful excuses, all i can hope for is the powers that be allowing us to continue spanking you all the way up to czd to really finish the job. good day oh and these are my own views yadayadayada (oh hell my smack-o-meter just went throught the roof :D) One last thing I will say on this matter is that NFC had troubles of its own. Neither D2 setting us negative or the war with FLA/IRON etc was the outright cause of the NFC disbanding; these only added to the fundamental problems that the NFC had and made them intolerable for most corps. D2 setting NFC negative was the last straw. Yes tyrol you contributed to NFC disbanding but don't try to take all the 'credit' (hell why would you even want to take credit for destroying something, I don't know?) for something you ultimately didn't achieve alone. please dont misunderstand me, im not here to beat my chest about winning and i know i didnt do it on my own, in fact i can probably say i didnt put half as much effort in as some, and nfc actually disbanding is not a good thing. The point im making is that all your members seem to be going out on a limb to ensure that those who have spent hours fighting and who have lost are being made to look like they wasted their time and it was getting on my nerves as i was reading through the thread. To me, its not about the winning, its having a good old time win lose or draw, i was merely commenting on the attitudes of some people. like it or lump it, thats my opinion I speak my mind, no apologies for that. Their comments also degrade your own pilots efforts, it makes it look like all the ships and millions in mods they lost was all wasted because of mone persons silly act among other things non combat related And just because i didnt wish to see nfc destroyed, doesnt mean others didnt, thats one of the reasons people go to war in the first place
Lazuran	Posted - 2006.07.11 17:37:00 - [198] Originally by: Lazuran Edited by: Lazuran on 11/07/2006 01:51:34 Originally by: Ivan Siff It would be nice to know what happened.. I logged on in the morning to an alliance at war and logged off to choas, no alliance, fighting IRON, FLA, MC, BoB, X13 and who knows who else reported on the Tac channels (Note: I said reported, no idea if MC and BoB were actually around) all coinciding with D2 opening fire on us while still blue and the mass exodus of our leadership to neutral alliances. What we know for sure (i.e. people like me and you, who logged on after that): - 1trav1 (former AUS, then DFC/NFC) was caught making a cyno for Goonswarm, a conveniently placed AUS corp covert ops frapsed it) - DFC refused to kick him and left NFC - d2 set NFC to - (thanks guys, I risked my BS to fight for you in xzh and that's what I get! I bet you still have AUS and their spies who helped Goonswarm set to + ... Backstabbers or just stupid, let the reader decide) - several corps left NFC (currently it is unclear whether any will stay, presumably not due to d2's setting the alliance to -) What is not known: - whether 1trav1 acted in accordance with his corp's leadership or on his own and what the purpose of that action was (i.e. a deliberate attempt to destroy NFC from within, or just his own personal assistance to the Goons - my guess is that he was acting on AUS corp's behalf to destroy NFC) - whether this was in any way related to the FLA/IRON vs. NFC war (seems so, very cunning...) - why all the corps left NFC quickly instead of trying to iron this out (as it seemed to be a single individual's or corp's fault) So, the update with more facts: - 1trav1 did not act on his own - DFC had already planned to leave NFC because they were unhappy with low participation in PVP fleet operations (the turnout was around 40% max. of the logged in people, with an all-time high of around 70% or so when we ganked the first IRON/FLA fleet in VFK on July 1st) And more rumours: - 1trav1 allegedly did this because D2 had aided IRON/FLA with destroying NFC POSes (which is still unconfirmed by D2, but adds a whole new edge to the matter) Personally, I'm excited with how things are developing for most ex-NFC corps. The North will be a very interesting area for quite some time and we'll have lots of fun. So, let's stop the endless discussions and do stuff.
1Trav1	Posted - 2006.07.11 21:20:00 - [199] For the record i helped the goons as iam fedup with D2 helping NFC's enemys i acted on my own with no ill intenssions to NFC as for me being ex IRON and ex AUS Corp MEANS NOTHING IN MY ACTIONS! I have great respect to the guys i know in and out of IRON they fight well and keep most of the smack out of local, Also i have nothing but the greatest respect for the guys i fought next to in NFC for the one's that never did nothing to help i suggest you shut the hell up! Point:1 D2 Allowed IRON and FLA ect to use there space and stations. Point:2 Most of NFC were not allowed to dock in D2 stations {ask Arrow about that}. Point:3 D2 excepted NFC help against there enemys but refused to help NFC in any way. Point:4 SPARTA was told not to help NFC against FLA by D2! Point:5 When SPARTA helped NFC against FLA in the first conflict caused by AUS corp, holding corp of NFC at the time! (Who now help FLA lmao thats funny). Point:6 At no Time did NFC Directors have any part to play in my actions. Point:7 There have been plenty of people doing what ever they could so NFC would not work! and i know some of you are my friends so i wont name you but you know who you are. Point:8 If NFC have not got the support from D2 who the hell has the right to tell NFC who they can be friends with? FLA and AUS corp you guys are responsibe for the mess in the north FLA broke there agreement IRON used it as an excusse to join in when they could have come back and made the north strong again! you wanted civil war now ya got it!!! say what ya will about goonfleet they keep pounding at yr door soon to break it down, as for my loyaltys when i was with IRON it was 100% same as it was for NFC but no one say i helped the enemy of NFC. I am sorry for not informing my corp or leaders of my own actions iam also sorry for some of the good guys in D2 yr leaders refused to help NFC yr allies UNITED TOGETHER DIVIDED YOU FALL! p.s ummm i dont smack and i never use forums but this is to put some people straight so they know the facts. love me or hate me, guys that know me know iam a good guy and will help anyone out. This is as short as i could make it sorry. have fun its a game.
Archangel Deck	Posted - 2006.07.11 23:56:00 - [200] How is helping an alliance that is worst than BoB gonna do anything good for NFC? (which is really really didnt) _____________________________
BiONetworks	Posted - 2006.07.12 03:41:00 - [201] Hmmmm interesting post we have here. Im not sure where the fella saying "d2 helped iron take down NFC pos?" you my friend are missing a few brain cells, i suggest u lay off the sauce. the NFC pos' were removed by iron and fla and core k thx. The theorys are quiet entertaining and im having a nice laugh reading them. Some of you should really start Eve X-Files or something. As far as NFC, personally I am a bit disapointed in the early breakup i think they had alota fight left in them. You guys fought an excellent fight, mostly smack free and very enjoyable battles. You all did a fine job and outstanding teamwork. Your logistics were steadfast and efficient, was quiet impressive. But i wish you all best of luck and safe travel in your journeys. 1Trav1, Ill be seeing you again soon enough. ;) GF to NFC -bio
Trespasser	Posted - 2006.07.12 03:43:00 - [202] Edited by: Trespasser on 12/07/2006 03:43:42 sigh, trav was ok when he left IRON, I guess he got a tin foil hat.. Well theirs 1 less person on the christmas card list My name is Trespasser and I approved this Message!
Ascendant Avatar	Posted - 2006.07.12 04:16:00 - [203] Why is it that almost every IRON member glorifies themselves by claiming they are smack free, yet then is hypocritical by smacking in every single post they ever write? As a non-biased reader of this conflict, I deplore IRON's conduct, and I feel quite sorry for NFC having to deal with such hot headed ego junkies!!! Hope NFC pilots are reuinted elsewhere and have a go again!
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.12 06:01:00 - [204] Originally by: BiONetworks Hmmmm Originally by: Trespasser sigh ffs the americans are on the red bull again back in your boxes you two, you're embarrassing your country
Puke	Posted - 2006.07.12 08:57:00 - [205] Originally by: Narny And... "Help help pls dont shoot us all o mighty FLA" Closely followed by the echo's of "IRON psst pls come save us we shouted off again and are going to get laughed at" Still yet echo'ing in the distance : "Burn Eden, Dofa help we're being ganked, i think we beat our chests too hard" I look forward to seeing you fight your own battles FLA, but we all know that is'nt going to happen. Narny out. I'm quite sure at the time you posted this you were unaware that NEXUS were joining FLA right? Because if you did know this, it makes you look a tad stupid tbh
Midiana	Posted - 2006.07.12 11:03:00 - [206] Originally by: Puke Originally by: Narny And... "Help help pls dont shoot us all o mighty FLA" Closely followed by the echo's of "IRON psst pls come save us we shouted off again and are going to get laughed at" Still yet echo'ing in the distance : "Burn Eden, Dofa help we're being ganked, i think we beat our chests too hard" I look forward to seeing you fight your own battles FLA, but we all know that is'nt going to happen. Narny out. I'm quite sure at the time you posted this you were unaware that NEXUS were joining FLA right? Because if you did know this, it makes you look a tad stupid tbh That must have fallen through because Nexus Leigon are Sparta now. More Reds FTW
Rytir	Posted - 2006.07.12 11:09:00 - [207] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: BiONetworks Hmmmm Originally by: Trespasser sigh ffs the americans are on the red bull again back in your boxes you two, you're embarrassing your country i agree foto best get them back to mining so they don't post on the forum for a while. bio/tres jita is over there ---->
Midiana	Posted - 2006.07.12 11:33:00 - [208] Originally by: Piefke Quote: That must have fallen through because Nexus Leigon are Sparta now. anyway, good luck to you you will need it. A good general knows the value of a well timed lucky happening, A great general plans all eventualities to make such a happening redundant. Time will tell which we have. Personally i'd prefer a bit of diplomatic luck but that is lacking at the moment in deklien the tin hats provide ample interference and warp anything said into hostile intent. or maybe its something in the roids. If nothing else the drama keeps people logging on
Quillan Rage	Posted - 2006.07.12 12:16:00 - [209] Edited by: Quillan Rage on 12/07/2006 12:16:17 Just a shame I have had to work the last week... have missed most of the fun Kittens in Tinfoil Hats
Milkminer	Posted - 2006.07.12 13:35:00 - [210] Edited by: Milkminer on 12/07/2006 13:36:31 It hasnt been as much fun as many think :( Maybe because I was stuck in 3JN for 3 days in a row BUT!!! I did enjoy Duoing with Moominer (Different person incase you wondered) in our Curses, and did enjoy the original fleet engagement too. I gotta say, IRON you fly ahell of alot of T2, enjoyed seeing peoeple using and losing T2 ships/mods as I did doing the same Was fun when I wasnt stuck in 3JN and I must say I was sad for it all to end so soon, but such is Eve and now we must move on and find more things to go shooty shooty at
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.12 15:21:00 - [211] Originally by: Milkminer Edited by: Milkminer on 12/07/2006 13:36:31 It hasnt been as much fun as many think :( Maybe because I was stuck in 3JN for 3 days in a row BUT!!! I did enjoy Duoing with Moominer (Different person incase you wondered) in our Curses, and did enjoy the original fleet engagement too. I gotta say, IRON you fly ahell of alot of T2, enjoyed seeing peoeple using and losing T2 ships/mods as I did doing the same Was fun when I wasnt stuck in 3JN and I must say I was sad for it all to end so soon, but such is Eve and now we must move on and find more things to go shooty shooty at Hey, Listen, you aren't the only one that didn't much enjoy camping in 3jn for 3 days. Have you heard the imperial march played thru TS for 8 hours straight? HAVE YOU!? ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Trespasser	Posted - 2006.07.12 23:47:00 - [212] Originally by: Rytir Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: BiONetworks Hmmmm Originally by: Trespasser sigh ffs the americans are on the red bull again back in your boxes you two, you're embarrassing your country i agree foto best get them back to mining so they don't post on the forum for a while. bio/tres jita is over there ----> Im proud to be an American xD p.s Red bull 4tw My name is Trespasser and I approved this Message!
Zimi Vlasic	Posted - 2006.07.13 01:50:00 - [213] 7/2 NEVAR FORGET ESGATO'S KESTREL (and Pamela, his exotic dancer)
BiONetworks	Posted - 2006.07.13 02:14:00 - [214] Edited by: BiONetworks on 13/07/2006 02:15:16 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Milkminer Edited by: Milkminer on 12/07/2006 13:36:31 It hasnt been as much fun as many think :( Maybe because I was stuck in 3JN for 3 days in a row BUT!!! I did enjoy Duoing with Moominer (Different person incase you wondered) in our Curses, and did enjoy the original fleet engagement too. I gotta say, IRON you fly ahell of alot of T2, enjoyed seeing peoeple using and losing T2 ships/mods as I did doing the same Was fun when I wasnt stuck in 3JN and I must say I was sad for it all to end so soon, but such is Eve and now we must move on and find more things to go shooty shooty at Hey, Listen, you aren't the only one that didn't much enjoy camping in 3jn for 3 days. Have you heard the imperial march played thru TS for 8 hours straight? HAVE YOU!? eehhhhh it wasnt that bad :) /Signed American
Helios Elemental	Posted - 2006.07.13 03:42:00 - [215] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Hey, Listen, you aren't the only one that didn't much enjoy camping in 3jn for 3 days. Have you heard the imperial march played thru TS for 8 hours straight? HAVE YOU!? Hmmm, seems to be a trend that IRON does not post their losses they are unhappy about... I could have sworn I blew up your interdictor and pod the other night after your friends deserted you, but don't see it on your killboard =) Maybe you were upset that an interceptor and elite destroyer couldn't kill a lone enyo earlier that evening... =) Yeah, sorry that's unrelated and a tad smack-ish, but I couldn't resist.
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.13 03:56:00 - [216] Originally by: Helios Elemental i killed a frig once well done one day we may rise to your greatness but untill then can we worship you?
Helios Elemental	Posted - 2006.07.13 04:28:00 - [217] Edited by: Helios Elemental on 13/07/2006 04:31:08 Originally by: Emno well done one day we may rise to your greatness but untill then can we worship you? You're not worthy, and besides I have enough devout followers already... permission denied.
31i73	Posted - 2006.07.13 05:08:00 - [218] Originally by: Midiana If nothing else the drama keeps people logging on Ooh, this is soo true, I can't get enough of it. Moar drama! Much more interesting than any event CCP could ever arrange. This one is run by us, players, and has much more surprising turns. The downside is, that I, like so many others, have a life, and can't be in TS 24/7 and logged in 23,5/7 .. so its sometimes hard to keep up what exactly is happening and has been done by your alliance mates and surroundings. Anyone: Feel free to EVEmail or convo me your stories and views on happenings in deklein. I'm planning to do a "book" of deklein happenings.
cryptic edge	Posted - 2006.07.13 07:55:00 - [219] Originally by: 31i73 Originally by: Midiana If nothing else the drama keeps people logging on Ooh, this is soo true, I can't get enough of it. Moar drama! Much more interesting than any event CCP could ever arrange. This one is run by us, players, and has much more surprising turns. The downside is, that I, like so many others, have a life, and can't be in TS 24/7 and logged in 23,5/7 .. so its sometimes hard to keep up what exactly is happening and has been done by your alliance mates and surroundings. Anyone: Feel free to EVEmail or convo me your stories and views on happenings in deklein. I'm planning to do a "book" of deklein happenings. Id like to reserve the first copy, just slip it to me soon as its finished :) Just let me know how much itll cost me :P counting bodies like sheep to the rythm of the war drum
Piefke	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:02:00 - [220] Kind of ... "the Saga of Deklein" ??? write it as a novel in a style of Mike Hammer would be funny to read !
kalac	Posted - 2006.07.14 06:01:00 - [221] Thought IRON ran fm dek when BOB came to play in EC ? ahh duh bob left silly me! will IRON stay for cookies when BoB come to play? FLA who ya going to call this time Ghost busters lmfao have fun in the north.
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.14 06:29:00 - [222] Originally by: kalac Thought IRON ran fm dek when BOB came to play in EC ? ahh duh bob left silly me! will IRON stay for cookies when BoB come to play? FLA who ya going to call this time Ghost busters lmfao have fun in the north. funny thing is you talk ****, but ask alot of bob and alot of bob leaders they might not like IRON but we have almost always fought them... few can say that im sure you are not of them fool. IRON & G went toe to toe with bob in countless engagments. and bob was not the reason we left the north ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Midiana	Posted - 2006.07.14 08:45:00 - [223] Originally by: kalac Thought IRON ran fm dek when BOB came to play in EC ? ahh duh bob left silly me! will IRON stay for cookies when BoB come to play? FLA who ya going to call this time Ghost busters lmfao have fun in the north. FLA like Cookies. Yeah we'd be worried if BoB came to play in the North, as a rule I feel like i've more than stocked their killboards. But their losses page isnt empty either. Given the state of the North I think BoB coming to play would just add another flavour to the clusterf**k. Plus last time I checked there were plenty of IRON pilots in the north..... but having the ghostbusters here might help too.. If you can give me a diplomatic contact for the ghostbusters i'll attempt to arrange a contract.
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.14 12:21:00 - [224] Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: kalac Thought IRON ran fm dek when BOB came to play in EC ? ahh duh bob left silly me! will IRON stay for cookies when BoB come to play? FLA who ya going to call this time Ghost busters lmfao have fun in the north. funny thing is you talk ****, but ask alot of bob and alot of bob leaders they might not like IRON but we have almost always fought them... few can say that im sure you are not of them fool. IRON & G went toe to toe with bob in countless engagments. and bob was not the reason we left the north Buddrow was the reason we left the north. He refused point blank to refuel any POS at all. Elite Scouting
Mr buttsmack	Posted - 2006.07.16 19:19:00 - [225] WAZZZZUP :p
Emno Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 19:22:00 - [226] Edited by: Emno on 16/07/2006 19:22:29 Originally by: Mr buttsmack WAZZZZUP :p it wasn't even funny the first time
1Trav1	Posted - 2006.07.16 22:05:00 - [227] but you will love it! look into my eyes look into my eyes! now dont be bitter!!!
PanzerGrenadier Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 02:12:00 - [228] Originally by: BiONetworks Edited by: BiONetworks on 13/07/2006 02:15:16 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Milkminer Edited by: Milkminer on 12/07/2006 13:36:31 It hasnt been as much fun as many think :( Maybe because I was stuck in 3JN for 3 days in a row BUT!!! I did enjoy Duoing with Moominer (Different person incase you wondered) in our Curses, and did enjoy the original fleet engagement too. I gotta say, IRON you fly ahell of alot of T2, enjoyed seeing peoeple using and losing T2 ships/mods as I did doing the same Was fun when I wasnt stuck in 3JN and I must say I was sad for it all to end so soon, but such is Eve and now we must move on and find more things to go shooty shooty at Hey, Listen, you aren't the only one that didn't much enjoy camping in 3jn for 3 days. Have you heard the imperial march played thru TS for 8 hours straight? HAVE YOU!? eehhhhh it wasnt that bad :) /Signed American Imperial March is a great tune. :) Oh yeah, /sign Americans FTW
Randomination	Posted - 2006.07.18 09:54:00 - [229] So much turmoil. Weeks of fighting, hundreds of ships destroyed, stations & sov's changing hands, Alliance's crumbling, NAPs between sworn enemies... And yet none of it makes it into the Players News Centre??
31i73 BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.18 10:17:00 - [230] Last time it took about a week after it had all been settled. You see, its the winner that gets to write history, right?

Serathu	Posted - 2006.07.18 10:33:00 - [231] Locked due to OOC posting. -Serathu- Ensign of CRC Interstellar Services Department [email protected]


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