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Buccaneer Bill
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:00:00 -
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I'm new to PVP and as a result have lost 15 ships in 20 days. Mostly becasue I just so little have the SP. 1mil
So I have fit stabs to even out things so I can fight another day and all I get is grief on local such as:
Pirates don't use stabs
True PVPers don't use stabs
etc etc
Why is there this attitude to stab usage and pirates ?
Whats the point of suicide ? I need something to balance an unfare fight and I'd rather live to fight another day. When my SP gets better I can reconsider.
Thoughts ?
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Archilies
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:06:00 -
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Ignore what others say: Fit what you want with what you have whenever you want.
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:12:00 -
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it's more of the issue of you try and fight yet you fit for running away.
Stabs are lame imo, if you want to fight and you lose oh well lose the ship cause they would of lost one if you won.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:42:00 -
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I think the general consensus is that it's lame when people fit to fight, and rack out with stabs to run away when it goes wrong.
At the end of the day I'm a firm believer that if you start a fight, you should be adult enough to finish it, regardless of the consequences.
Veto have had a strict anti WCS policy for as long as I can remember now.
Not only does it severely cripple your fitting abilities, it risks the ships and lives of your gang members, as your ship is not operating to it's full combat potential with slots taken up by WCS.
Each to his own I guess, but we have a strict policy aganist them.
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:24:00 -
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Ignore the naysayers, fit what you want.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:24:00 -
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True pvpers do whatever is required to destroy thier enemies. Everyone else is a noob.
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:44:00 -
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If you're ratting or whatever, fit stabs, but run. People don't like when you fit stabs, fight, then run.
for a noob in a frigate i'd be ok, but those people in t2 fitted BS with a rack of stabs that run form anything they cant kill quickly are just plain lame.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:47:00 -
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Yeah right. About as lame as the people in T2 fitted BS that decide they'll rather blow up then retreat due to some sort of 'honor'.
We dont have Paladins in EvE.
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WT Lapre
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:51:00 -
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Fit whatever you like, forget the rest and enjoy the game; hell thats what it's suppose to be about anyhow...
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.07.02 05:09:00 -
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Quite a few folks find it frustrating to have their target get away (which increases the likehood of smacktalk).
So reckon popular PvP attitude is: It would be nice if CCP made stabs unviable for combat, but until that day it makes sense to use warp core stabs in quite a few setups.
-Lasse
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pootii
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Posted - 2006.07.02 05:32:00 -
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eh, if you cant figure out how to not die go for it
waste of slots, though, and it just weakens you, so . . .
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Kirex
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Posted - 2006.07.02 06:19:00 -
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I could write pages that will turn into smack, so ill limit myself.
WCS ruin the balance between Risk vs Reward in the game. WCS DRAMATICLY reduces the chance of you dieing(low risk), but the reward doesnt change at all (high reward). So in the end, its low risk vs High reward. So it breaks 'The System'.
tbh, I try as hard as I can not to smack in local when a target escapes with wcs. Its frusterating, because pirates like me who want to keep their sec up means another hour or so of ratting in 0.0. Doesnt that sound nice? A fight that lasts 5 seconds means 1 hour of 0.0 NPCing because someone wanted low risk high reward 
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Mortania
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Posted - 2006.07.02 06:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Kirex
I could write pages that will turn into smack, so ill limit myself.
WCS ruin the balance between Risk vs Reward in the game. WCS DRAMATICLY reduces the chance of you dieing(low risk), but the reward doesnt change at all (high reward). So in the end, its low risk vs High reward. So it breaks 'The System'.
tbh, I try as hard as I can not to smack in local when a target escapes with wcs. Its frusterating, because pirates like me who want to keep their sec up means another hour or so of ratting in 0.0. Doesnt that sound nice? A fight that lasts 5 seconds means 1 hour of 0.0 NPCing because someone wanted low risk high reward
What else is lame is that as it stands right now, a pirate who is ready for PVP can completely disable and destroy any ship that is not ready for PVP with 2 mid slots (ECM and Warp Disr).
Full rack of stabs for a fleet battle is lame, but running with stabs in low sec is smart playing, unless you are out to hunt pirates. Especially with the ECM situation as it stands now. If you aren't pirate/anti-pirate and are in lowsec without WCS you are asking to lose your ship at every gate.
Don't be stupid, fit stabs.
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.07.02 07:06:00 -
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the only issue I have with you is you didn't die because of so little SP but so little skill (skill include but is not limited to : know/pick your fights, know when to take risk, when not to etc...). When you see an enemy ship, the thing you must ask yourself is : do I have a chance to take it ?
If it's an easy gank, you don't need stabs,
if it's a close fight, chance are that fitting stabs (cripling your setup a bit) will give your enemy the little advantage over you that will dictate victory)
if it's an impossible fight...don't attack ?
the current situation is : hey let's have a shoot anyway, I can warp away if things turn bad anyway (broken risk vs reward)
Myself I see stab more like a - how to **** off someone - weapon -_-.
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.02 07:28:00 -
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tbh fit stabs all use them ...
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Mikkel Lybecker
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Posted - 2006.07.02 07:54:00 -
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Fit whatever you want. Others will use whatever dirty tricks they can to beat you into the ground, so who cares about them. EVE being a MMORPG is not a true RPG in that it doesn't have an across-the-board honourable community who care about things like roleplay, story and so forth. A significant percentage of players in EVE openly play to make others miserable and make absolutely no bones about it. All they care about is numbers on their killsheet and if they're giving you harrassment it's just sour grapes. If WCS is what gives those griefers grief, then it's the best thing CCP ever put in the game. Use it, that's what it's there for.
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Y Ashanti
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Posted - 2006.07.02 09:55:00 -
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This whole 'don't fit stabs on PvP ships' argument is mainly a historical one. Before the damage mod stacking nerf, fitting a significant number of stabs meant you lost a lot of damage output, so they had a strong disadvantage (and at equal numbers and skill, non-stabbed gangs would typically win against stabbed ones as a consequence except with very specialised tactics).
Now that you can't fit that many damage mods anymore, many ships have 'spare' low slots and not enough PG to fit much in the way of plates/repairers, so warp stabs are a very logical choice for quite a few ships.
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.07.02 10:09:00 -
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Fit as much stabs as you want tbh, people crying about only because they see a juicy target run away. It's like being mugged by a gang in a backalley and then run away when you get the chance, see the muggers cry and whine about a lost opportunity. The more they cry the better you did you job.
About the risk/reward thing; How much risk does a pirate take when attacking a miner/ratter/indy?
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.07.02 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
tbh fit stabs all use them ...
I don't.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.07.02 10:57:00 -
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Fit to fight properly or fit to run away.
By fitting stabs you are setting yourself up for failure with an "I can always bail" mentality.
If you don't have stabs you will pick fights more carefully and pay more attention to your surroundings to avoid blobs etc.
I think without stabs you will eventually be a better player than one who uses them.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
tbh fit stabs all use them ...
I don't.
wow 
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Hughy
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Fit to fight properly or fit to run away.
By fitting stabs you are setting yourself up for failure with an "I can always bail" mentality.
If you don't have stabs you will pick fights more carefully and pay more attention to your surroundings to avoid blobs etc.
I think without stabs you will eventually be a better player than one who uses them.
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Ceril
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:16:00 -
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Run away attitude?
Crippling your setup?
No honor?
No Risk vs Reward?
Fight smart, fit stabs, if you fail your first run you may return later with the right ammo to finish the job.
To withdraw from an engagment to seek better ground is an age old tactic.
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raVn666
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:26:00 -
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I dont use stabs ... mainly because they f*** up my setups.
But also .. I dont use ships I cant afford to loose.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:44:00 -
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Its less fun.
Fighting without risk is no fun 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:46:00 -
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They screw up either my tanking or damage, so i dont use them. But i also dont pvp in expensive ships... yet. 
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.07.02 12:46:00 -
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A strict adherance to always or never using stabs is gonna make you a less effective fighter by limiting your fitting options.
Fit stabs if they make your setup better. For some setups and tactics, stabs are the best module, other times stabs will gimp you.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
A strict adherance to always or never using stabs is gonna make you a less effective fighter by limiting your fitting options.
Fit stabs if they make your setup better. For some setups and tactics, stabs are the best module, other times stabs will gimp you.
Exactly!
Solo 0.0 Vagabond? 2 stabs is fine, doesn't gimp it at all.
Gang Tempest? 0 stabs please.
etc.
Originally by: duffmantt
the majority of -10's you meet will be highly skilled.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.07.02 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Psycarne
True pvpers do whatever is required to destroy thier enemies. Everyone else is a noob.
Log in traps, stab whoring, blobbin and ganking is true pvp to you then is it?
Right, suit yourself.
Izo Azlion.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.07.02 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
A strict adherance to always or never using stabs is gonna make you a less effective fighter by limiting your fitting options.
Fit stabs if they make your setup better. For some setups and tactics, stabs are the best module, other times stabs will gimp you.
The man speaks the truth.
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Red 5 > lolol, lern 2 play plz noob
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