is this a thing now that everyone hates auto pilots?

So why not kill my pod then?

With what? His pod?

He lost his ship when he bravely fought your shuttle.

Mr Epeen

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

See I have no problem with dieing because I auto piloted. None doesn't hurt me at all, just so confused as to why I'm the bad one due to auto piloting and is this a thing now that everyone hates auto pilots?

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

With what? His pod?

He lost his ship when he bravely fought your shuttle.

Mr Epeen

It's called rationalisation.

They want easy kills but sort of feel all bad about it so the anti AP role play thing lets them kill you without getting the guilts.

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

Seems the thrasher pilot got mad because your shuttle wasn't full of this seasons fabulous clothing lines.

Seems the thrasher pilot got mad because your shuttle wasn't full of this seasons fabulous clothing lines.

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

It's called "bot aspirancy".

Which seems to have quite the nebulous definition.

The definition is not nebulous, the subject it covers is broad.

Which seems to have quite the nebulous definition.

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

The Thrasher can be fit for fast lock and will one-volley a shuttle. It is therefore more than possible to pop the pod as well before CONCORD arrives on scene. There are pilots who pipe-stalk between Incursion focuses with the express intent of popping high value pods.

Not that I used to treat shuttles as abalative armour for my pod in that manner... and now use a Jag.

I dont think gankers HATE auto-piloters. it is a game feature after all.
it is just that auto-piloters make extremely easy gank targets, but since most gankers are lowlife scum with no sense of selfworth, they come up with excuses why they gank autopiloters to make them feel better about themselves. ridding EVE of bots blah blah blah. go scout out mining belts and take out isboxers. sure CCP condones it because each box is one more PLEX, but most other mmorgs ban for such activities.

Far from it, if you take the time to consider it.

Here's an idea... AP turns off if scrambled. Another hobby for griefers to just aggro and scram AP freighters to make them stop...

I would hardly consider allowing a bot to do the work of a bot should be "bot aspirancy", if anything manually jumping 20 systems is bot aspirant.

but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around

See I have no problem with dieing because I auto piloted. None doesn't hurt me at all, just so confused as to why I'm the bad one due to auto piloting and is this a thing now that everyone hates auto pilots?

1. Don't mistake a few loudmouths on the forum with 'the community'. Certain people also post with several alts to give the impression that a certain general opinion exists.

2. Don't mistake the relatively few people that post here with the playerbase. Only a tiny fraction posts on the forum and doesn't represent the opinion of the the whole playerbase.

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

Um, what?

I think you might have missed the whole concept. Because manually jumping 20 systems is absolutely not bot aspirancy. I honestly don't know where you got that from.

You don't go 100% tunnel vision when jumping gates? Given how impossible it is to catch a shuttle warping to 0 in high sec and how the destination is all that is of concern. If you actually pay attention to the universe around you, well, you are a far better pilot then me.

Any trash talk you're getting about autopiloting is coming from one of two groups:

Either the group of folks that don't like ANYONE that plays EVE differently than they do and feel a need to try to get everyone to play their way, or the group that feels some sort of need to justify ganking your shuttle.

Neither group really knows wtf they're actually on about, so pay them no mind.

Always fun to see how simple minded people reduce everything to two possibilities,
because actual reality is too hard for them to grasp.

Always fun to see how simple minded people reduce everything to two possibilities,
because actual reality is too hard for them to grasp.

There're always exceptions. Thanks for calling me simple minded.

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

Because he's looking for a reaction from you, that's why he said what he said.

Look at this here thread, you reacted. He won.

They're mad because you reap rewards being afk while they stay all day long at their keyboard mostly doing nothing at all but waiting for a target. AP in >1M fits is perfectly fine. No one in his right mind wouldn't take the small risk of losing a couple of minutes, an empty shuttle and an empty pod just to do a 30 jumps trip like Home - Jita to buy the new ship he wants. Travelling isn't fun, loading screens are god awfully long for no reason, so any way to circumvent such a pointless time sink is fine. Since it makes haters mad you should keep doing it.

Because it takes me a few seconds to focus my hatred, and by that time everyone who isn't auto-piloting is gone.

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

This game is full of nerds, dorks, dweebs, geeks, sociopaths, aspirant serial killers, basement dwellers, 40 year old virgins, losers, stoners and a-hole-ly-o's

Then you have people like you and I, who don't suffer from their ignorance and we ask why. That is why.

Go get a Raven, get all your shield tanking skills to level 5 and then deadspace fit it. You can slowboat all day long through hisec because it would take quite a massive group of people to kill you before Concord handed them their behinds. Get it cap stable, throw on all the shield tanking gear and slowboat to your little heart's desire! :D

See I have no problem with dieing because I auto piloted. None doesn't hurt me at all, just so confused as to why I'm the bad one due to auto piloting and is this a thing now that everyone hates auto pilots?

oooo I got a bingo

Ignorance of the kind of game you're playing is your own fault.

Please do this, you'll make lots of people very happy, if you're really lucky you'll get an ALOD feature on TMC out of it.

It's called "bot aspirancy".

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

Where in any of that was hate against autopiloting expressed? It rather sounds like you're projecting a fair amount here.

No-one hates others for autopiloting. At most, some get annoyed when people who get killed while autopiloting come to the forum and complain and start demanding that their non-playing be made more safe.

You mean like afk cloakling? That type of non-playing??

Always amazing how people can and will justify their hypocricy when it benefits them.

Get use to it OP you will see it alot.

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

I can understand those who gank to get isk and for fun just to kill, but why is the community so against players who auto pilot around because they want play on the main will flying from point A to point B automatically? One of my alts was killed today in a shuttle and I got a mail saying I shouldn't autopilot and how butt hurt I should be because he killed my shuttle not my pod or anything else but my shuttle in a thrasher. So what is the problem with it? It is a feature the game allows so why are players so butt hurt when they see other players using it to fly around?

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

/* pre-ISD snip snip */

Seriously dude? That was neither funny nor called for.

I do not see anyone complaining about AFK cloaking, it's part of the game and a good reason to fleet up so you can fight if need be. When AFK cloakers camp the system I play in, I just get a cheap ship I don't mind losing and keep going, 99.9% of the time the afk cloaker is a bluff that couldn't even cyno-drop you if they wanted to.

Please do this, you'll make lots of people very happy, if you're really lucky you'll get an ALOD feature on TMC out of it.

you mean the copy & pasted mass mail sent to anyone shot down ...


copy & paste to multiple recipients is bot aspirancy

each mail should be individually written, and sent to a single individual pilot

lol @ code failing it's own code.

LMAO...first time reading the forums?

Its not about the counter its all about the type of game play. People want to begrudge auto piloting yet condone the same play type for afk-cloaking.

The definition is not nebulous, the subject it covers is broad.

I think it's simple. Autopiloting provides:
1. A long period of time where your ship is slowboating from a warp-in point to a gate
2. At the same time, the player is likely not completely attentive

1 and 2 provide a circumstance where massive damage can be dealt uncontested in a short amount of time.

Now, can you tell me why this is relevant for hisec?

Anyone who claims that they never use autopilot is a ******* liar.

Anyone who claims that they never use autopilot is a ******* liar.

And nebulous.

We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty

I do not see anyone complaining about AFK cloaking, it's part of the game and a good reason to fleet up so you can fight if need be. When AFK cloakers camp the system I play in, I just get a cheap ship I don't mind losing and keep going, 99.9% of the time the afk cloaker is a bluff that couldn't even cyno-drop you if they wanted to.

You must be new or have poor reading comp skills. The subject of afk play style was assosiated with auto pilot, which I assosiated with afk cloaking or afk minning. Each play style are afk play styles which people want to have a problem with one but not the other because they do one and not the other.

Next people will come up with is how they watched a movie afk,
while actually being in the kitchen ... not seeing it.

I love this analogy.

You mean like afk cloakling? That type of non-playing??

Always amazing how people can and will justify their hypocricy when it benefits them.

Just like people should accept those that wish to auto pilot. No difference in play style.

Anyone who claims that they never use autopilot is a ******* liar.

Anyone who claims that they never use autopilot is a ******* liar.

Next people will come up with is how they watched a movie afk,
while actually being in the kitchen ... not seeing it.

People target AFK-ers and high sec miners because it is the easiest way to claim they 'PvP' without actually taking any risk. It is another form of carebear.

You sound kinda butthurt about it. Not that it's going to stop me. But, don't call it carebearing. Call it, like, idk, PvPvE? Like, I'm against you kinda but mostly against CONCORD and the gate guns?

I have done that. I have also had a movie playing on my laptop (closed) in the car and listened to it while on long trips.

"EvE, where any playstyle is OK, as long as it conforms to CODE scamming"


People target AFK-ers and high sec miners because it is the easiest way to claim they 'PvP' without actually taking any risk. It is another form of carebear.

Here's an idea... AP turns off if scrambled. Another hobby for griefers to just aggro and scram AP freighters to make them stop...

It's not a playstyle. There are no afk playtsyles.
When you are afk, you are not playing.

If this doesn't strike you as obvious,
imagine how you don't sit in front of your PC.

Next people will come up with is how they watched a movie afk,
while actually being in the kitchen ... not seeing it.

It's NOT a play style? ...WUT?? Are you in fact disagreeing with tippia? I hope not for your sake

Next people will come up with is how they watched a movie afk,
while actually being in the kitchen ... not seeing it.

Here's an idea... AP turns off if scrambled. Another hobby for griefers to just aggro and scram AP freighters to make them stop...

Here's an idea... AP turns off if scrambled. Another hobby for griefers to just aggro and scram AP freighters to make them stop...

If you're going to autopilot in High Sec, use a large tanked warship. Something that can't get blown up by a Thrasher before Concord shows up.

If you're going to autopilot in High Sec, use a large tanked warship. Something that can't get blown up by a Thrasher before Concord shows up.

I'm not saying you should autopilot, but if you're going to, make it impossible for gankers to destroy your ship without a gang of friends- and if they're at a gate, chances are they won't have that gang of friends. It's not full proof, but at least it's less likely to happen.

I use autopiloting all the time in HS. Seriously, are you expecting me to make those 5-7 hauling runs in Epithal from dodixie to hek every week while atk? Or moving my bs to the other part of empire for some cosmos/epic arc mission, while jumping to gates manually? Sorry, my mental health is much more precious to me than any of these assets.

I have done that. I have also had a movie playing on my laptop (closed) in the car and listened to it while on long trips.

"EvE, where any playstyle is OK, as long as it conforms to CODE scamming"


People target AFK-ers and high sec miners because it is the easiest way to claim they 'PvP' without actually taking any risk. It is another form of carebear.

Anyone who claims that they never use autopilot is a ******* liar.

Seriously, are you expecting me to make those 5-7 hauling runs in Epithal from dodixie to hek every week while atk?

I have never used auto pilot. I cannot otherwise I will die.

Basically been permanently at war since I started playing EVE with maybe a week here or there of "free time".

In what way would he be disagreeing with me?

I was there long before CODE,
saying the same things as CODE,
without the douche baggery.

If you AP you die, because you willfully ignore your environment.

You are simple minded.

I personally never use AP (but then again, I lived in high sec for less than a month in my EvE career), but that doesn't change the fact that ganking AFKers and miners is what people do when they want to feel like they PvP without actually taking any risk.

It is by far the easiest/most boring thing to do in the game. No one who enjoys a challenge bothers ganking in high sec.

You certainly haven't seen Mew.

Who cares about all these lesser wannabe tough guys anyway.

Come to Hek, I'll kick your candy ass you inexperienced wannabe.


(when logged in and not busy, which happens too often -.-)

Come out to w-space we can have a real fight. If you can stand to risk leaving carebearland.

And again, a 'fight' is attacking someone who can defend themselves. Exactly my point on how easy going after high sec miners and AFKers is.

It is by far the easiest/most boring thing to do in the game. .

You mean like afk cloakling? That type of non-playing??

Always amazing how people can and will justify their hypocricy when it benefits them.

Get use to it OP you will see it alot.

The way where you are quoted as saying auto piloting was non-playing. Just like afk cloaking in non-playing. To use your own analogy.

The way where you are quoted as saying auto piloting was non-playing. Just like afk cloaking in non-playing. To use your own analogy.

blablabla.
Hiding behind words.


You risked a big lip, I invite you to get your ass kicked.

Now come or shut up already, you coward.

You are just one gigantic *******.

In your mind, all black people are drug dealers and all jews are rich too, hu?
All the people from poland are thiefs, all germans are *****,
all russians drink vodka.

Sick freak ... come and get your ass kicked, bigmouth

You certainly find me easier than the other way round, so be my guest!


When you run a big lip, you should back it up too!

And I just realized.


COWARD HIDING IN NPC CORP!
A forum alt!

OMG SO TOUGH AND BRAVE! WOW!


And blocked. Stupid cowards.

Can't block. Wanna read what the coward writes.
Far more entertaining to see grown up people hide behind forum alts.

Well, that escalated quickly. Lay off the caffeine champ. And I spent some time in Hek. Then not being able to as much as bubble got boring pretty quickly.



And yes, I absolutely never post in forums with anything other than a forum alt. If you don't understand why, then you must be more than oblivious to the political nature of EvE.

Or I could be like you, **** people off in an innocent forum conversation and bring bad karma on your corp. as a result. Great plan...

I will hide who I really am every chance I get. Right now I know who your are, who your corp is and what general area you do business in. You know absolutely nothing about me. What possible reason would I have for posting with a real character?

The problem is, people don't believe you when you talk **** and tell people you can give them a "real fight" in a wh, because you can't prove you actually have any pvp experience at all without outing yourself.

Also, and this is more of a general question for the mods:
"In your mind, all black people are drug dealers and all jews are rich too, hu?
All the people from poland are thiefs, all germans are *****"

Can we not say "*****" here?

edit: holy crap, we can't say the word for WWII fascist german political party members, it gets auto corrected. That seems silly.

You said the magic word.... Hek.

You have been noted.

Thank you for your support.

It's not a playstyle. There are no afk playtsyles.
When you are afk, you are not playing.

If this doesn't strike you as obvious,
imagine how you don't sit in front of your PC.

lol npc forum coward.

That's what you are. Your explanations and justifications do not
change the facts that you are acting like a coward and talking like one too.

So much for that.

The bad karma part was great btw.

BRING IT!!! :D

What advantage in gaining intel does posting who I really am give me?

I will hide who I really am every chance I get. Right now I know who your are, who your corp is and what general area you do business in. You know absolutely nothing about me. What possible reason would I have for posting with a real character?

I find emailing marks you caught on autopilot in a shuttle to be a sign of bad taste. And I do pretty nasty things to people.

some semblance of self respect.

Well, that's the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

I for one personalize my mails.

#justthelittlethings

you don't read the things your own 'dear leader' writes ???

Autopiloting in a shuttle with no implants and some low value unresearched BPOs in the hold is a great way of baiting hisec campers into getting concorded. Unfortunately you do not get hte actual kms but the effect is the same.

Those who gank in High Sec really have no skills what-so-ever. Otherwise they would take theirselves into low and null and PvP like real PvPer's.

The only reason that High Sector ganking exists is because Low and Null Sec Alliances fear High Sector amassing a large standing armada to invade their territory with to completely decimate an alliance.

....Such a day will indeed happen.

When that day has been decided Low and Null Sec will feel the reverberation of the might of High Sec as thousands of combat ships leave their ports and enter into Null to claim our territory and to evict you.

High Sec ganking is a hindrance like a mosquito to say the least

....but when the High Sec armada arrives that when Null will know that their judgment day has cometh.

The invasion of Null Sec will happen.....it will happen.

Those who gank in High Sec really have no skills what-so-ever.

Otherwise they would take theirselves into low and null and PvP like real PvPer's.

The only reason that High Sector ganking exists is because Low and Null Sec Alliances fear High Sector amassing a large standing armada to invade their territory with to completely decimate an alliance.

....Such a day will indeed happen.

When that day has been decided Low and Null Sec will feel the reverberation of the might of High Sec as thousands of combat ships leave their ports and enter into Null to claim our territory and to evict you.

High Sec ganking is a hindrance like a mosquito to say the least....but when the High Sec armada arrives that when Null will know that their judgment day has cometh.

The invasion of Null Sec will happen.....it will happen.

The problem is, people don't believe you when you talk **** and tell people you can give them a "real fight" in a wh, because you can't prove you actually have any pvp experience at all without outing yourself.

Also, and this is more of a general question for the mods:
"In your mind, all black people are drug dealers and all jews are rich too, hu?
All the people from poland are thiefs, all germans are *****"

Can we not say "*****" here?

edit: holy crap, we can't say the word for WWII fascist german political party members, it gets auto corrected. That seems silly.

lol all the posters who keep swallowing the bait.

Those who gank in High Sec really have no skills what-so-ever. Otherwise they would take theirselves into low and null and PvP like real PvPer's.

As it is now, with 20 km distance, autopilot is simply too dangerous to be even considered for most pilots, so manual piloting with warp to zero is more or less standard.

This would most likely lead to more interceptable and gankable targets at every gate, resulting in CONTENT and EMERGENT GAMEPLAY.

because it doesnt go to zero like it should.

True, but complaining about it is equally pedantic. Not to mention, easily construed as attention seeking in and of itself.

If you really do have such contempt, just don't post about it.

So why not kill my pod then? Like I stated in my post they only killed my shuttle in a thrasher, but not my pod? Then told me that I shouldn't Auto pilot around and I'm bad, because of?

lol all the posters who keep swallowing the bait.

Autopiloting is just... bad. I welcome you to autopilot everywhere though, it makes you easier to blow up.

Really explain how its bad? Yes I might get ganked but really if you lose more than me and I lose closer to nothing, and then reply I am the one who is bad? Due explain, Because I'm just going to hop in another shuttle and continue on like nothing happened. That's why people like you confuse me because eve usually has smarter players than your average MMORPG.

If they only got your shuttle the ganker failed, a good ganker will take out shuttle and pod solo.
Usually that means your implants gone - so for a cheap throwaway destroyer they get a killmail with a set of +4's quite often, some +5's and hardwirings regularly too.
If you don't have implants then sure you lose nothing (unless your character has a lot of SP's so expensive clones).

For some it's a even a kind of sport to see who can get the best pod killmail of the day.

We don't hate each other for auto-piloting. We hate each other, AND some of us auto-pilot.

This is perfectly reasonable, However were does it come from that auto piloting makes you bad now? I do not understand that if you guys are killing for sport why try to ruin it?

This is perfectly reasonable, However were does it come from that auto piloting makes you bad now? I do not understand that if you guys are killing for sport why try to ruin it?