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Carella Fortune
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:18:00 -
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Dont think smack was intended by pinks post only something to lighten the situation.
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Katya Ishenka
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:27:00 -
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dude, im nothing to do with you guys just an observer.
But a friend told me that NFC lost 270 members and a major PvP corp.
So based on the responses above, you havnt lost this many members and a corp or you have ?
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Carella Fortune
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:38:00 -
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To the best of my knowlege no we have not lost this. Who is the corporation that has supposed to have left? and what pvpers?
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Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Kraeze
"peace treaty" 
yea think i used the wrong term there. you know what i mean 
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:51:00 -
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We seriously need to force the Pilot/Corp/Alliance on the lefty bit.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Pink Marshmellow
actually lets make that a personal bet.
if nfc win you have to sing like a virgin down teamspeak
if iron win i will sing it down your teamspeak
NO and NO
Have you ever heard darko sing "like a virgin" on TS before? Trust me, you will be scarred for life.
You havent either...... have you? 
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Avril Dewar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Avril Dewar on 06/07/2006 17:14:46
Originally by: Heero Yuy
Originally by: Nende
All these comments stating NFC is the devil are highly amusing to me. NFC as an entity made the first mistake and tried to make it work again, now FLA/IRON are the aggressors. FLA broke the treaty for no good reason. Neither side can claim total innocense.
Here's pretty much what happened:
1. NFC receives bogus intel and former NFC leadership (AUS corp, now fighting alongside FLA??!!) decides to act. It got out of hand and NFC ended up attacking FLA.
You never "received" bogus intel, you manufactured it yourselves. That much was admitted.
NO! WE did not manufacture it. The members involved in that are no longer in the NFC. If you are willing to accept AUS are not the same AUS who betrayed you then you must surely be willing to accept that NFC is different seeing as you accused AUS of being the instigators.
Originally by: Heero Yuy
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3. Thedragoon proposes a peace agreement between FLA and NFC as both sides realise the war is pointless, uncalled for and not beneficial to anyone. This being done by NEW NFC LEADERSHIP while admitting the fact it was wrong to attack FLA. (Please stop blaiming avril for stuff she didn't do please :)
Hardly. First, NFC only started talking when FLA/Alek/BE were poised to take VFK and JU. Second, NFC never admitted a thing to the FLA. No apologies, no explanation - nothing except a sullen acceptance of the de facto situation at hand.
I told you that I could apologise for my predecessor's decisions and actions but it would mean nothing because I wasn't apologising for myself - you accepted that. I'm STILL not privvy to all the facts so I don't see how I could possibly give you an explanation.
Originally by: Heero Yuy
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4. Peace (please knock it off, both sides were sticking to the agreement).
Again, hardly. Requests from FLA to NFC regarding putting up POSes in RFY-QB were rebuffed with reference to the agreed freeze on colonisation in that constellation until an agreement on sharing it had been reached. We consequently put no POSes up. Meanwhile NFC POSes were going up left and right and sovereignty being turned on. There was also the matter of a shared Dysprosium moon in the same constellation, 50% of which yield were to be handed over to FLA. We asked what would be easier, moon mineral or ISK. You said "ISK", we said "fine, ISK it is then" (unlike the way it has been put by the NFC on these forums before). Regardless, despite at the very least half a dozen questions and requests regarding this, no payments were ever made.
The dysprosium moon minerals being shared were nothing to do with the peace treaty and I was told you were the ones asking for ISK. Since the POS is in a system where you also have POSes, it would make sense if we just gave you the minerals...
As for POSes going up left right and center, no one that I'm aware of has put up any new POSes. A few have upgraded or downgraded in size (as you yourself did with one of the POSes in our space). If you would care to look up FLA sovereignty on the map you will see that now nearly all of the FLA's constellation has sovereignty in it. Since it takes 6 days for the sovereignty claim to go up methinks those were put up before you gave us the ultimatum, meaning that you broke the treaty yourself. Don't be hypocritical.
Both sides believe they are right it would appear...
Good luck to you all, whichever side you are fighting for.
Av
Edited for non-sensical stuff
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Imran
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:15:00 -
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burn.
EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente?
Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful |
AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:33:00 -
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Ya know, I guess i just don't see it but this war is pointless in my opinion.. flame away if ya want I don't really care but your getting my opinion anyways :P
Your ALL Residents of the North... Work together for god sakes... There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest.. what is it your actually fighting over? a place to mine? or a place to build? your all good people. I've chatted, fought with & beside most of ya... Anyways there are bigger threats out there... It would be smart to come together now. Dek has always been plagued with wars.... one war after another... and most have been over nothing of real importance... Work together, build an army and re-enforce the borders against those actual outsiders that can and probably will decide to invade one day....
fighting among our selfs just makes us weaker & vulnerable to attacks from outside... So a few people screwed the treatys... the whole North needs restructuring anyways...
Ah well maybe it will take an invasion even if temporary to open your eyes and bring yall together..
How about it... BoB, Goons & ASCN... join forces and take over Dek for a few weeks...
ah well thats my 2 cents...
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Shimeka Umenisont
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:51:00 -
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If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow. |
Imran
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont
If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow.
hippies 4 teh loose.
EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente?
Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful |
Shimeka Umenisont
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:53:00 -
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Hippies rule. We don't work, we got all the good dope and we love everyone but bob  |
geewiz
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: geewiz on 06/07/2006 18:14:21
Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont
If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow.
I remember a similar speech was made by someone when NSA was formed, and we all know what happened there
Small and lean good, big and ponderous bad 
Gee
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AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont
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If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again.
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Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok 
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Shimeka Umenisont
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Shimeka Umenisont on 06/07/2006 18:33:57
Originally by: geewiz
Edited by: geewiz on 06/07/2006 18:14:21
I remember a similar speech was made by someone when NSA was formed, and we all know what happened there
Small and lean good, big and ponderous bad
Gee
And it's called learning from your mistakes. Novel idea huh? Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean a similiar idea is destined for failure.
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the MoP
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avril Dewar
If you would care to look up FLA sovereignty on the map you will see that now nearly all of the FLA's constellation has sovereignty in it. Since it takes 6 days for the sovereignty claim to go up methinks those were put up before you gave us the ultimatum, meaning that you broke the treaty yourself.
i noticed and wondered the same thing, well in advance of hostilities
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Lobo Noturno
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:15:00 -
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I can only speak for myself, so don't even think of complaining about it to my CEO or the alliance I belong to.
I think the treaty as posted in the forum is not clear enough on what was agreed, a second version of it was explained to FLA members and a probable third version to NFC members. I can't figure out if the 3jn constelation(I don't remeber the const name...) would fall under the same freeze over POS build up or not. I don't know which side is right, cause any treaty with more than one version obviously make it impossible to all involved to fulfill their part on it or to know what the other party should be doing.
Only thing I do know for sure is that all the involved alliance leaders have too much ego for their own good, and they cannot live together. And the poor alliance members end up paying the price. I sincerely hope this stupid feuding ends(unlikely given Deklein history) before someone else comes in and take the candy bars away from everyone...
Lobo
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lobo Noturno
Only thing I do know for sure is that all the involved alliance leaders have too much ego for their own good, and they cannot live together. And the poor alliance members end up paying the price. I sincerely hope this stupid feuding ends(unlikely given Deklein history) before someone else comes in and take the candy bars away from everyone...
Lobo
What's with this paranoia of someone else coming in and taking Dek away? BoB's just here to have fun, just like we were having fun in the South couple months back. Goons have their hands full with D2. Who else is going to come in that could actually be a threat to take over the region?
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Verite Rendition
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: AbyssStalker
There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest..
I completely disagree with this assertion. Dek is packed to the brim with people; NFC + Sparta + FLA is over 2k people living in a single region, that is way too cramped. ASCN has less than 4k members in multiple regions, D2 has 1500 members in massive Branch and Fade. Dek's population, and the NFC's part in particular, needs to drop in about half to give everyone breathing room.
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tyrol
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:39:00 -
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ha, i remember the last time bob took a roadtrip into the north. Staying in a npc station with common folk was no good for them, they had to go and take our 5 star accommodation in ju whilst they were on. I had only been playing the game 2 months and was pressganged into exo, went through tech 1 frigs like there was no tomorrow and loved every minute of it. All i know is, what ever the outcome, it will be a fun ride.
And to comment on the politics side:
nfc are bad, fla and iron are right and good. That is all
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fire 59
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:46:00 -
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Serious question. Is iron intent on taking the station's from nfc, or just to fight for the sake of fighting. I ask because im curious of how to work out who's winning. Kill's or sovereignty?
Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance |
AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:00:00 -
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Who cares about sovereignty, treatys and what ever else your fighting over... you ALL have sovereignty over that region...what? you have to have your name up in lights or something? hell if we did this in real life the whole planet would get Nuked... look at the middle east.. a bunch of lil countrys that hate each other and going nowhere because of it.. unlike the UK & US which are super powers... work together and grow strong...
Form a New Alliance, Choose your Councel members, Generals & Fleet commanders to guide the Alliance...
Since there's a huge time zone diffrence for alot of people so there should be 2 main fleets ready to fight at a moments notice.. UK time & US time...
If your a miner, atleast learn to fly a Frigate & tackle...there's nothing worse then trying to get a fleet together, seeing 200 people online and only 20-30 in gang...
I hope I'm getting through to someone here... honestly the fate of the North lays in the hands of its people.. your the majority... and honestly majority rules... If you the people of the North want to grow, prosper & be a Superpower in Eve DO IT... and if the leaders don't listen to their people its time for new leaders because overall your there for your people not personal agendas... And if your a good leader they should be there for you... work together, make peace , screw treatys... Stop the Bull**** and UNITE the NORTH...
I'm abyss and I'm running for President ! just kidding :P
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Thanos Firebringer
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:05:00 -
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This guy might be on to something.
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AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: AbyssStalker
There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest..
I completely disagree with this assertion. Dek is packed to the brim with people; NFC + Sparta + FLA is over 2k people living in a single region, that is way too cramped. ASCN has less than 4k members in multiple regions, D2 has 1500 members in massive Branch and Fade. Dek's population, and the NFC's part in particular, needs to drop in about half to give everyone breathing room.
I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times...
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: AbyssStalker
I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times...
On the left side the second tab is called Backstory. In it you'll find Alliances tab. Click on that and you'll see how many members each alliance has.
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AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
Originally by: AbyssStalker
I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times...
On the left side the second tab is called Backstory. In it you'll find Alliances tab. Click on that and you'll see how many members each alliance has.
yeah... but have you ever seen that many people in Local? Maybe in Empire space around the Newb stations.. and how many are alts? I know a guy thats got 5 accounts... thats what 15 possible alts... I believe there is plenty of room... and if not I'm sure BoB will let us have some of their space... won'tcha guys :P
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Ming theMerciless
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: AbyssStalker
Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont
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If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again.
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Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok
AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence.
From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start. |
Shimeka Umenisont
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Posted - 2006.07.06 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ming theMerciless
AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence.
From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start.
Sounds like a valid point. But i believe the new alliance that was being suggested was not NFC, but an entirely new entity. Similar to what D2 did. Just do away w/ all remnants of the old Deklein and create somethin new. I do see your point w/the trust issue. And again...NSA blah blah blah. All that was , was a blueprint on how not to do it.
After reading a lot of this babble, i don't really think the inhabitants of the north are really ready for something of this magnitude. It would actually take some organization and thinking. And from what i see no one is interested in striving for a common goal.
What kind of outcomes are possible from this conflict? I'm not opposed to it, just wondering. If IRON/FLA does push NFC from their foothold in southern deklein, what will they do then? What happens when enemies come knocking again? Will IRON **** down their leg , tuck tail and run like last time? What if they don't push out NFC and the region stays in the constant cluster**** that is now known as the north? Maybe there is a favorable outcome and it's just illuding me.
And how is Sparta staying neutral and pretending they don't have a dog in this fight? Way i see it is they are next.
The region needs to be restructured and GL to anyone who attempts it. Have fun blowing each other up. I know i will. |
AbyssStalker
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Posted - 2006.07.06 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ming theMerciless
Originally by: AbyssStalker
Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont
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If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over.
CLEAN SLATE
This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again.
---------------------------------------------------------
Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok
AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence.
From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start.
And they will ultimatly be doomed if they don't...
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.07.06 21:43:00 -
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The FLA has NO intention or interest in taking over and holding the entire region of Deklein. End of story. Our interest is in a stable region, where resources and territory is shared in a *fair* manner and where all residents have the same say. We have never had any beef with Sparta whatsoever and expect no difficulties in working out things with them after this debacle is over and done with. They are certainly not "next" in any way, shape or form, as there is in fact one name only on "the list".
I'll repeat what I said above somewhere: the FLA has an excellent track record when it comes to peaceful co-operation with pilots, corporations and alliances. This only changed when we encountered the NFC and you can make of that whatever you will.
For the FLA Council,
Heero Yuy
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