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thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:11:00 - [1] After Reviwing the situation in the north ALektrophobia will be setting standings to + for the NFC while we will not be Ganging with the NFC as we are in the area Alek will be allowing them to pass our fleets to resupply there lines This is as a direct result of Iorns forum poundings and FLA's inability to stand to there agreement with the NFC Setting's will be set at some stage today please note that at this moment intime no + standings to NFC has been set I will update this post when it is done. Until then Safe flying and have fun.
Mang0o	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:16:00 - [2] Your allinace is nos -10 to CF for being friends with NFC.. thanks.. I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Mang0o Your allinace is nos -10 to CF for being friends with NFC.. thanks.. would you have not shot at us if we were 0 standings ?
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Davey Locke on 04/07/2006 15:44:26 Edited by: Davey Locke on 04/07/2006 15:43:46 Originally by: thedragoon ALekgonnaprobya will be setting standings to + for the NFC while we will not be Ganging with the NFC as we are in the area Alek will be allowing them to pass our fleets to resupply there lines This is as a direct result of Irons forum poundings and FLA's inability to stand to there agreement with the NFC :) Forum pounding hurts alot less than the pounding IRONs guns do...surely by allowing NFC to "resupply" you are directly supporting their cause...I look forward to my superiors official post on this one....If fact Im waiting for it so I can undock. See you soon ALekgonnaprobya....
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:42:00 - [5] Oooooh....sorry....did I mispell your alliance name.
Mang0o	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:46:00 - [6] Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: Mang0o Your allinace is nos -10 to CF for being friends with NFC.. thanks.. would you have not shot at us if we were 0 standings ? all i wanted was to sound importent.. and now i cant! I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Olsen'Kra	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:47:00 - [7] Its all about the alectryomachy. I tell ya, I always wanted to say that
Moonlight Express	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:52:00 - [8] And you could not accompish announcing standings in one post? It showes that you don't think about what you are posting on the forums. I'm sure you'll make your allies proud.
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Mang0o Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: Mang0o Your allinace is nos -10 to CF for being friends with NFC.. thanks.. would you have not shot at us if we were 0 standings ? all i wanted was to sound importent.. and now i cant! Awwww i changed it :)
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:58:00 - [10] Is IORN some sort of joke or can you actually just not spell? ------------------
zit me	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Darko1107 Is IORN some sort of joke or can you actually just not spell? :) well i typoed it the first time so as u loved it so much after that i just adopted the name :P
Quillan Rage	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:11:00 - [12] Is your new alliance name some subtle joke, given VNTR and their old "Empire Chicken" connections?
Nightsabre	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:12:00 - [13] The highest respects to you Alektorophobia! I would agree with IRONs, 'Shoot it regardless if its blue' attitude, and FLAs once more back stabbing, these alliances need a good ass kicking. Its about time to be honest for people to stand up and kick these alliances out of the north, once upon a time they were alliances which were deeply respected, now they are nothing more than pirates! More alliances and corps need to stand against IRON and FLA in my oppinion! Good Luck both NFC and Alektorophobia!
pony2slow	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:14:00 - [14] Originally by: zit me Originally by: Darko1107 Is IORN some sort of joke or can you actually just not spell? :) well i typoed it the first time so as u loved it so much after that i just adopted the name :P yu having issues latly with your alts I see. --------------------------------------------- alt of ponieus of BNC.. I am too lazy to change it when i post.
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:16:00 - [15] Nightsabre, If your gonna post in here...atleast have the dignity to include your Alliance details. Im not in game atm and am eager to know who you fly with...if you have any "Alliance" experience at all.
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:18:00 - [16] Originally by: pony2slow Originally by: zit me Originally by: Darko1107 Is IORN some sort of joke or can you actually just not spell? :) well i typoed it the first time so as u loved it so much after that i just adopted the name :P yu having issues latly with your alts I see. ya i have i set this one up and transfered it from another acc now it selects it as my main posting alt I will have to look at settings me thinks :P
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:23:00 - [17] rabble rabble rabble Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
5n4keyes	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:26:00 - [18] Edited by: 5n4keyes on 04/07/2006 16:28:17 Originally by: Davey Locke Nightsabre, If your gonna post in here...atleast have the dignity to include your Alliance details. Im not in game atm and am eager to know who you fly with...if you have any "Alliance" experience at all. lol
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:33:00 - [19] lol.....ahhhhhhh My views are my own too....Problem is after a hot day in office I have too many of them. Anyways...back to topic. Does this mean Alektorophobia will be firing on IRON fleets in there space???
TriggerHippy	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:36:00 - [20] Maybe Athazagoraphobia would have been a more appropriate Alliance name?
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:42:00 - [21] lol....Who were we talking about again?
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:47:00 - [22] names that u can pronounce :\| which alektowhatever isnt it ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
slothe	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:57:00 - [23] can someone not involved in the conflict give the rest of us a resume of whats happening please. ta.
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:05:00 - [24] Imagine shooting fish in a barrel....I think that just about covers it so far. ALek seem to be offering to restock the fishes....so thumbs up from me!
cryptic edge	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:19:00 - [25] NFC is out of ships, paid alektraphobia 500m to not shoot at them and asked them if they could get resupplies off them. counting bodies like sheep to the rythm of the war drum
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:29:00 - [26] Originally by: cryptic edge NFC is out of ships, paid alektraphobia 500m to not shoot at them and asked them if they could get resupplies off them. what supplies will they be getting from us ? and who got this isk ? I dont understand ! And for the comment up top about fring on who where in what space ?
Rytir	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:28:00 - [27] Originally by: thedragoon After Reviwing the situation in the north ALektrophobia will be setting standings to + for the NFC while we will not be Ganging with the NFC as we are in the area Alek will be allowing them to pass our fleets to resupply there lines This is as a direct result of Iorns forum poundings and FLA's inability to stand to there agreement with the NFC Setting's will be set at some stage today please note that at this moment intime no + standings to NFC has been set I will update this post when it is done. Until then Safe flying and have fun. no wai!
Asfa	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:34:00 - [28] Originally by: cryptic edge NFC is out of ships, paid alektraphobia 500m to not shoot at them and asked them if they could get resupplies off them. I confess. I paid thedragoon 50 million ISK for this uber Ibis. What a bargain!
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:39:00 - [29] Originally by: slothe can someone not involved in the conflict give the rest of us a resume of whats happening please. ta. Yes please. I'm also wondering what has happened. Not how it came to the current war, but why. What's the political reasons behind it? Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Scylla V	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:47:00 - [30] I'm begging you. Yes PLEASE allow them to resupply their lines !!
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:56:00 - [31] the more the better ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Logan Williams	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:02:00 - [32] How is FLA not living up to the agreement again? I seem to recall a post where NFC weren't living up to theirs. Face it folks, there are too many folks to count that have interest in this. CORE : Alliance formed for the sole purpose of corps not being able to set standings to alliances (HINT CCP) CORE was formed by Venture Corp who decided to stay and babysit the miner residents left behind by IRON, no wait, IORN, no wait.....dammit Darko, now I'm confused. NFC : n00bs For Crokite. The previously mentioned miner residents that IRON err IORN err (GAH, for the purpose of this post I'll forget Darko said anything) left behind. Bright idea for these folks, we'll form an alliance and alienate IRON's lesser friends and then post like it's all their fault in the first place. FLA : Old IRON friends. MAybe not a huge powerhouse but, surprisingly more rugged than I would have thought. REALLY nice folks and I really trust them more than NFC. Funny thing about the first war, NFC invites them in......big press release about contact blah for FLA or BLAH for NFC for standings.....presumably both entities responsible for defense of region. Suddenly, NFC has a cow when FLA start building defense goods. IRON : Really the rightful owners of this now circus. They just roam and shoot things now but, they really should come back for good. Funny how NFC dogs bite the hand that fed them instead of think "hey, we're screwing up, let's re-evaluate this FLA thing." Alektorophobia : Some group with an aversion to Alec Trebek or Alek Guiness, I'm not sure which yet. Either way, it looks like they just want to blow stuff up and have an excuse. (Nothing wrong there, exactly the reason, along with IRON that I'm shooting NFC atm) DoFA & Friends : Same as the Alek Trebek err, Guiness haters above. At any rate, everybody loves a winner. NFC, the time of everyone loving you is at the end of it's rope. Besides, UDIE will soon be lurking I'm sure. We all remember what happened the last time.
Scylla V	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:12:00 - [33] Logan, you know too much for your own good. I got to admit though, you hit the nail where it hurts the most on top of the creamy pie... mostly.
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:21:00 - [34] Edited by: Tozmeister on 04/07/2006 19:23:08 Originally by: Shimpu Originally by: slothe can someone not involved in the conflict give the rest of us a resume of whats happening please. ta. Yes please. I'm also wondering what has happened. Not how it came to the current war, but why. What's the political reasons behind it? Check this link shimpu for a very brief resume http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=359144 please note the bits where both BE (friends of FLA) and Alektrophobia (Also friends of FLA and the neutral arbitrators of the peace deal) accuse FLA of betaying the peace accord and revoking all ties of friendship. EDIT: contact TheDragoon for a neutral opinion. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Davey Locke	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:23:00 - [35] LMAO....Scylla...I feel I must give you isk just for including "creamy pie" in a post of this nature. Come sweet sweet Scylla, lay beside me......
Scylla V	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:40:00 - [36] The thread would only get locked I'm thinking it's not gonna last much longer anyway.
Sypher313	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:47:00 - [37] Here is VNTR response to the thread: VNTR pilots STFU if you cant post respectfully dont be a smaktard. thanks have fun. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:27:00 - [38] thedrgoon, could you for the benefit of the neutrals and outside observers please post a timeline and summary of events that has lead to this war. And I for one ask you to be strictly neutral and unbiased. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Juggernaut Kell	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Sypher313 Here is VNTR response to the thread: VNTR pilots STFU if you cant post respectfully dont be a smaktard. thanks have fun. Uh, a lil too late dontcha think? Your boy Davey Locke already showed himself to be an anal wart, which is simply a relection upon your corp. Nice image you guys make for yourselves, I always thought the old IRON corps were full of asshats, this has simply confirmed what I already knew.
Eutectic	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:59:00 - [40] Regarding Venture sticking around to 'babysit' Dek. That's a load of bull***, we stuck around because for most part we were inactive. Nothing more, nothing less. When asked, we did provide assistance to residents, but certainly never considered it as any form of caretaking.
SATAN	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Tozmeister thedrgoon, could you for the benefit of the neutrals and outside observers please post a timeline and summary of events that has lead to this war. And I for one ask you to be strictly neutral and unbiased. Frag does not know the meaning of neutral. Here is my view of events leading up to this. 1-Bacteria 2-fish 3-birds with big teeth 4-rats with big brains 5-monkeys 6-monkeys with big brains 7-Humans 8-God 9-Satan 10-Internet 11-CCP-EvE 12-B(l)oB-Had to get them in the thread. 13-Iron disband and fly their frigs to ascn space. 14-Residents of space in question join 2 alliances NFC/FLA they live together for a short time and NFC decides they dont like FLA. 15-NFC locks FLA out of region and **es off the wrong people. 16-Burn Eden spawn in area followed by big guns Alek. 17-NFC's war effort even with Sparta and other allies starts to look grim. And an unbendable council(NFC) is forced to make peace. 18-Iron decides its time to build some more frigates to fly and moves back north in hopes of having all their farmers back. 19-NFC says screw you, FLA says YAY now we will show those NFC guys with IRON on our side. Not realizing that IRON will just fly back to ASCN space once they have enough frigates and isk to do so. 20-FLA break peace treaty claiming that they just didnt have enough moons to hump, and Iron bring the frig fleet ready for war. 21-ALEK **ed at this point because their time and isk was waisted on a useless campaign decide to go north and make sure the right side wins. 22-Big asteroid hits earth 23-bacteria PS. I may have left of some important events, so live with it.
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:55:00 - [42] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Tozmeister thedrgoon, could you for the benefit of the neutrals and outside observers please post a timeline and summary of events that has lead to this war. And I for one ask you to be strictly neutral and unbiased. Frag does not know the meaning of neutral. Here is my view of events leading up to this. 1-Bacteria 2-fish 3-birds with big teeth 4-rats with big brains 5-monkeys 6-monkeys with big brains 7-Humans 8-God 9-Satan 10-Internet 11-CCP-EvE 12-B(l)oB-Had to get them in the thread. 13-Iron disband and fly their frigs to ascn space. 14-Residents of space in question join 2 alliances NFC/FLA they live together for a short time and NFC decides they dont like FLA. 15-NFC locks FLA out of region and **es off the wrong people. 16-Burn Eden spawn in area followed by big guns Alek. 17-NFC's war effort even with Sparta and other allies starts to look grim. And an unbendable council(NFC) is forced to make peace. 18-Iron decides its time to build some more frigates to fly and moves back north in hopes of having all their farmers back. 19-NFC says screw you, FLA says YAY now we will show those NFC guys with IRON on our side. Not realizing that IRON will just fly back to ASCN space once they have enough frigates and isk to do so. 20-FLA break peace treaty claiming that they just didnt have enough moons to hump, and Iron bring the frig fleet ready for war. 21-ALEK **ed at this point because their time and isk was waisted on a useless campaign decide to go north and make sure the right side wins. 22-Big asteroid hits earth 23-bacteria PS. I may have left of some important events, so live with it. this would about some it up to what happened
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:04:00 - [43] Originally by: SATAN 13-Iron disband and fly their frigs to ascn space. 18-Iron decides its time to build some more frigates to fly and moves back north in hopes of having all their farmers back. wtb vigil/rifter roir-y
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:11:00 - [44] Originally by: SATAN 13-Iron disband and fly their frigs to ascn space. 18-Iron decides its time to build some more frigates to fly and moves back north in hopes of having all their farmers back. You call them frigs...we call them "small packets of love". Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:12:00 - [45] NFC and OPUS are now set to + to alektrophobia
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:20:00 - [46] SATAN, can you tell me when #22 is going to happen so i can borrow large sums of money from people just before... --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:25:00 - [47] Originally by: cryptic edge NFC is out of ships, paid alektraphobia 500m to not shoot at them and asked them if they could get resupplies off them. alek being paid to kill something best joke in this thread tbh
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:42:00 - [48] Official Beagle Corp Response: Ahem OMG! OMG! OMG! NFC Ratting Ravens r so tasteeee!!!11111 That is all. Kindest Regards, Turiya Flesharrower CEO Beagle Corp
Skogul	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:54:00 - [49] Wtf Iron fly Frigs? Thats about as believeable as Burn Eden fitting all stabs in lows
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.05 01:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Tozmeister SATAN, can you tell me when #22 is going to happen so i can borrow large sums of money from people just before... You mean like borrow $100,000 from a bookie and blow it all on a stripper named Molly Mounts?
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:17:00 - [51] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Tozmeister SATAN, can you tell me when #22 is going to happen so i can borrow large sums of money from people just before... You mean like borrow $100,000 from a bookie and blow it all on a stripper named Molly Mounts? yep, only never limit it to just one stipper. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Nende	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:47:00 - [52] Edited by: Nende on 05/07/2006 17:50:34 Edited by: Nende on 05/07/2006 17:50:02 All these comments stating NFC is the devil are highly amusing to me. NFC as an entity made the first mistake and tried to make it work again, now FLA/IRON are the aggressors. FLA broke the treaty for no good reason. Neither side can claim total innocense. Here's pretty much what happened: 1. NFC receives bogus intel and former NFC leadership (AUS corp, now fighting alongside FLA??!!) decides to act. It got out of hand and NFC ended up attacking FLA. 2. NFC & SPARTA fight vs FLA+ALEK+friends, both sides lose their fair share of assets. 3. Thedragoon proposes a peace agreement between FLA and NFC as both sides realise the war is pointless, uncalled for and not beneficial to anyone. This being done by NEW NFC LEADERSHIP while admitting the fact it was wrong to attack FLA. (Please stop blaiming avril for stuff she didn't do please :) 4. Peace (please knock it off, both sides were sticking to the agreement). 5. IRON wants deklein back after publicly posting they would be leaving the region and stations for those willing to manage them. 6. IRON asks other alliances if they would be willing to support them. FLA jumps on IRON's proposal and delivers NFC with an unreasonable ultimatum. (leave deklein or die). 7. War Please people, stop this nonsense. If you want to shoot us fine, but if you must post things on the EVE-O forums then tell it like it is. Nende PS: Much respect for keeping it clean in local FLA/IRON. It has to be said, such smack free fighting is rare.
Dave White	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Official Beagle Corp Response: Ahem OMG! OMG! OMG! NFC Ratting Ravens r so tasteeee!!!11111 That is all. Kindest Regards, Turiya Flesharrower CEO Beagle Corp qft
Why'dyou HitMe	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:47:00 - [54] IRON owns Deklein, you were just tennents. Youve been fecking up, IRON is evicting you. by by now
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:47:00 - [55] my head hurts......who are we shooting again?
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Nende All these comments stating NFC is the devil are highly amusing to me. NFC as an entity made the first mistake and tried to make it work again, now FLA/IRON are the aggressors. FLA broke the treaty for no good reason. Neither side can claim total innocense. Here's pretty much what happened: 1. NFC receives bogus intel and former NFC leadership (AUS corp, now fighting alongside FLA??!!) decides to act. It got out of hand and NFC ended up attacking FLA. You never "received" bogus intel, you manufactured it yourselves. That much was admitted. Quote: 3. Thedragoon proposes a peace agreement between FLA and NFC as both sides realise the war is pointless, uncalled for and not beneficial to anyone. This being done by NEW NFC LEADERSHIP while admitting the fact it was wrong to attack FLA. (Please stop blaiming avril for stuff she didn't do please :) Hardly. First, NFC only started talking when FLA/Alek/BE were poised to take VFK and JU. Second, NFC never admitted a thing to the FLA. No apologies, no explanation - nothing except a sullen acceptance of the de facto situation at hand. Quote: 4. Peace (please knock it off, both sides were sticking to the agreement). Again, hardly. Requests from FLA to NFC regarding putting up POSes in RFY-QB were rebuffed with reference to the agreed freeze on colonisation in that constellation until an agreement on sharing it had been reached. We consequently put no POSes up. Meanwhile NFC POSes were going up left and right and sovereignty being turned on. There was also the matter of a shared Dysprosium moon in the same constellation, 50% of which yield were to be handed over to FLA. We asked what would be easier, moon mineral or ISK. You said "ISK", we said "fine, ISK it is then" (unlike the way it has been put by the NFC on these forums before). Regardless, despite at the very least half a dozen questions and requests regarding this, no payments were ever made. There's more, but those are main points with direct regard to the treaty. Quote: 6. IRON asks other alliances if they would be willing to support them. FLA jumps on IRON's proposal and delivers NFC with an unreasonable ultimatum. (leave deklein or die). Oh dear, I don't remember us ever writing "leave deklein or die". So either I'm an amnesiac or you're just a liar. We claimed RFY-QB and S-B1E4 and gave you 48 hours to clear out. If you had come to the table we would have negotiated and settled for less, but just like the last time we heard not a single word from the NFC leadership. In fact, the words "negotiation" and "communication" appears somehow to have been left out of all dictionaries delivered to NFC systems. Not that it particularly matters any more. Quote: 7. War Hey, you got that one right. Bravo. Quote: if you must post things on the EVE-O forums then tell it like it is. [rethorical] So why don't you? [/rethorical] For myself only, Heero Yuy

Serathu	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:31:00 - [57] Thread deep-cleaned. Please keep it polite, constructive and avoid flaming/trolling/off-topic posts. We don't want to have to issue warnings here. Thank you! -Serathu- Ensign of CRC Interstellar Services Department [email protected]

Emno	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:37:00 - [58] my post now make less sense then it did before
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Nende 5. IRON wants deklein back after publicly posting they would be leaving the region and stations for those willing to manage them. 6. IRON asks other alliances if they would be willing to support them. FLA jumps on IRON's proposal and delivers NFC with an unreasonable ultimatum. (leave deklein or die). 7. War Please people, stop this nonsense. If you want to shoot us fine, but if you must post things on the EVE-O forums then tell it like it is. i got told we killed 9 of you motherships and i belive it (keeping with your no posting nonsense here)
Moridan	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Heero Yuy Originally by: Nende All these comments stating NFC is the devil are highly amusing to me. NFC as an entity made the first mistake and tried to make it work again, now FLA/IRON are the aggressors. FLA broke the treaty for no good reason. Neither side can claim total innocense. Here's pretty much what happened: 1. NFC receives bogus intel and former NFC leadership (AUS corp, now fighting alongside FLA??!!) decides to act. It got out of hand and NFC ended up attacking FLA. You never "received" bogus intel, you manufactured it yourselves. That much was admitted. You seem to have missed a major part of that paragraph. Quote: Quote: 3. Thedragoon proposes a peace agreement between FLA and NFC as both sides realise the war is pointless, uncalled for and not beneficial to anyone. This being done by NEW NFC LEADERSHIP while admitting the fact it was wrong to attack FLA. (Please stop blaiming avril for stuff she didn't do please :) Hardly. First, NFC only started talking when FLA/Alek/BE were poised to take VFK and JU. Second, NFC never admitted a thing to the FLA. No apologies, no explanation - nothing except a sullen acceptance of the de facto situation at hand. Whoa whoa whoa .. talk about giving yourselves a little too much credit. Besides some BE ganking around vfk-ju, the whole war was fought in 3jn (after we cleaned up and took all the other systems). And there basically you managed to use a cloaked carrier to keep your huge pos's feuled and retain sovereignity. I'm not saying there weren't good fights on both sides, but there was no 'poised to take vfk-ju forces' at that time. Quote: Quote: 4. Peace (please knock it off, both sides were sticking to the agreement). Again, hardly. Requests from FLA to NFC regarding putting up POSes in RFY-QB were rebuffed with reference to the agreed freeze on colonisation in that constellation until an agreement on sharing it had been reached. We consequently put no POSes up. Meanwhile NFC POSes were going up left and right and sovereignty being turned on. There was also the matter of a shared Dysprosium moon in the same constellation, 50% of which yield were to be handed over to FLA. We asked what would be easier, moon mineral or ISK. You said "ISK", we said "fine, ISK it is then" (unlike the way it has been put by the NFC on these forums before). Regardless, despite at the very least half a dozen questions and requests regarding this, no payments were ever made. There's more, but those are main points with direct regard to the treaty. hey, your own former allies think that this point is lost for you. that speaks for itself of NFCs actions Quote: Quote: 6. IRON asks other alliances if they would be willing to support them. FLA jumps on IRON's proposal and delivers NFC with an unreasonable ultimatum. (leave deklein or die). Oh dear, I don't remember us ever writing "leave deklein or die". So either I'm an amnesiac or you're just a liar. We claimed RFY-QB and S-B1E4 and gave you 48 hours to clear out. If you had come to the table we would have negotiated and settled for less, but just like the last time we heard not a single word from the NFC leadership. In fact, the words "negotiation" and "communication" appears somehow to have been left out of all dictionaries delivered to NFC systems. Not that it particularly matters any more. yeah .. so why should we have just given you whole constelations again? Quote: Quote: 7. War Hey, you got that one right. Bravo. Quote: if you must post things on the EVE-O forums then tell it like it is. [rethorical] So why don't you? [/rethorical] For myself only, Heero Yuy Spin spin spin. understatements, overstatements. Its posts like these that really cloud the issues. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.06 00:33:00 - [61] Originally by: Moridan You seem to have missed a major part of that paragraph. Nope, don't think so. Quote: Whoa whoa whoa .. talk about giving yourselves a little too much credit. Besides some BE ganking around vfk-ju, the whole war was fought in 3jn (after we cleaned up and took all the other systems). And there basically you managed to use a cloaked carrier to keep your huge pos's feuled and retain sovereignity. I'm not saying there weren't good fights on both sides, but there was no 'poised to take vfk-ju forces' at that time. Shows how much you know then, which isn't a lot. JU and VFK were each "defended" by a single large Caldari tower. I know, since I scouted both systems. We had 6 towers ready to be deployed and the fleet to take yours down in no time. End of story. Quote: hey, your own former allies think that this point is lost for you. that speaks for itself of NFCs actions Our former allies may of course think what they want, they have that right. They have not, however, spent their time in Deklein since the last war ended. Enough said on that point. I could offer speculation, but I'll leave that to you as you do it so much better. Quote: yeah .. so why should we have just given you whole constelations again? You never intended to give us anything, treaty or no treaty, so we decided to force the issue. When you deal with people with little apparent understanding of concepts like "honesty", "fairness" and the like, sometimes you're forced to do things differently than you'd otherwise prefer. I believe we have an excellent track record of being able to peacefully co-operate with people, corps and alliances until we encountered the NFC. Draw whatever conclusions you prefer from that. Quote: Spin spin spin. understatements, overstatements. Its posts like these that really cloud the issues. Funny that, I'd have sworn it was posts like yours. Heero Yuy
F'nog	Posted - 2006.07.06 04:30:00 - [62] Look at the title! OMG, Fragm is really CYVOK! Originally by: Panzer Goddess I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.07.06 06:05:00 - [63] Actually, Heero is right. BE/Alek/FLA had full control of 3JN. And with less than 4 pos' gaurding VFK/JU we were about to move in there. Minutes after fragm told u guys this, u caved and offered peace. We had the numbers, the ships and the capability to take those systems. I'm very glad we didn't have to as I find that sort of thing very boring.
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.06 07:22:00 - [64] If NFC has been in breach of the original treaty for so long how come you never called up your old mates Alek and BE and get them to come up to dek and see for them themselves at some point in the last 3 months? even send them a e-mail? Telling them they are ignorant of the facts after they speak out against you seems a poor way of trying to excuse yourselves. Also, you still haven't answered my question FLA, how come you are happy to accept the hand of friendship and comeradere(sp?) from AUS corp, the route of the original war and the ones your members so puplicaly ranted against as 'cowards' and 'back stabbers' --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Franky B	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:08:00 - [65] I leave for a month and look what you've done to the place. tsk tsk.
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Tozmeister Also, you still haven't answered my question FLA, how come you are happy to accept the hand of friendship and comeradere(sp?) from AUS corp, the route of the original war and the ones your members so puplicaly ranted against as 'cowards' and 'back stabbers' Oh I'm sorry, do we have a contract stating that "the FLA must answer any and all questions from Tozmeister and/or DFC"? If so, pardon me while I go find it so I can tear it up. Then you'll have a broken treaty of sorts as well and we can all be quite content.
Box Fresh	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Heero Yuy Originally by: Tozmeister Also, you still haven't answered my question FLA, how come you are happy to accept the hand of friendship and comeradere(sp?) from AUS corp, the route of the original war and the ones your members so puplicaly ranted against as 'cowards' and 'back stabbers' Oh I'm sorry, do we have a contract stating that "the FLA must answer any and all questions from Tozmeister and/or DFC"? If so, pardon me while I go find it so I can tear it up. Then you'll have a broken treaty of sorts as well and we can all be quite content. I would have thought it to be in your best interests to clear that up. But if it isn't in your best interests to explain then the tinfoil hat bp's are gonna be needing all your factory slots.
Svett	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:52:00 - [68] Please move more battleship fleets thru pure blind, I am getting bored
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:01:00 - [69] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 06/07/2006 09:01:13 "NFC vs IORN & FLA" Who are IORN? Do they play on Trammel?
Svett	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:05:00 - [70] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 06/07/2006 09:01:13 "NFC vs IORN & FLA" Who are IORN? Do they play on Trammel? Trammel? Thats sorta like SISI ya? Corp Por
moroti	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Tozmeister Also, you still haven't answered my question FLA, how come you are happy to accept the hand of friendship and comeradere(sp?) from AUS corp, the route of the original war and the ones your members so puplicaly ranted against as 'cowards' and 'back stabbers' This question strikes me as disingenuous, has Samjax not posted that the AUS corp is not the same one that injected disinformation into the NFC before the first war? Has David Hope not stated multiple times to the NFC senate that FLA are not under the same management as, if any at all, that they were a month ago? Is it not possible for a corp or alliance to change its structure, management and relationships? Indeed the NFC itself has changed recently with the removal of the senate from all decision making to the system now where a small group of people make decisions and release intelligence only when they think it necessary to explain actions to the corp representitives. It seems perfectly possible for the new AUS and new FLA to be happy to work together to shoot the new NFC without any real problems - look at how NFC is now happy to work with Alektorophobia now despite the many statments of distrust, accusations of lame tactics etc. during the last war. One other point I'm slightly unclear on is the RFY constellation. In the NFC official statement thread Avril denies that NFC have taken space up to the borders of FLA space in contravention of the peace agreement yet the map clearly shows multiple systems in that constellation have been claimed. Is this system the one regerred to in point two of thedragoon's treaty? On reading it back the treaty does appear unclear as to which systems are frozen. If it does refer to the systems in that constellation then how can NFC possibly say it hasn't violated the treaty by putting up POS's and claiming territory around the FLA space?
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Svett Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 06/07/2006 09:01:13 "NFC vs IORN & FLA" Who are IORN? Do they play on Trammel? Trammel? Thats sorta like SISI ya? Corp Por My first PvP was some bloke dressed in no pants and a Jester's hat, chasing me around shouting Corp Por at me. WTB: Black Dye Tub.
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.06 11:04:00 - [73] /me turns on her ADSL router and looks hopefully at the flashing ADSL light.... "Damn! Still not connected" Watching the forum war, heated as it may be, is no substitute for the real thing (although if forum posts were bullets I think the entire population of eve would now be sporting a number of gunshot wounds). Why did I have to move house the same weekend this all kicked off?! Can I make a request to all involved?: Please don't wipe each other out before the end of next week. I've got a few days off and should be activated by then. Then I can join in the long, slow process of holding/being driven out of Dek and then watching the winning side get pwned by Bob. k, thx
Toucan Sam	Posted - 2006.07.06 11:22:00 - [74] Edited by: Toucan Sam on 06/07/2006 11:22:50 Originally by: FireFoxx80 WTB: Black Dye Tub. I actually managed to steal one of those once...a week later they gave em out as vet rewards
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.06 12:18:00 - [75] Fair point Moroti. FLA, AUS corp and NFC are completely different beasts from the ones of 3 months ago. An FLA/AUScorp partnership is not so ridiculous as it may first seem. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Katya Ishenka	Posted - 2006.07.06 13:00:00 - [76] I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ?
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron?
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:05:00 - [78] Originally by: cryptic edge NFC is out of ships, paid alektraphobia 500m to not shoot at them and asked them if they could get resupplies off them. oh please -.-
Beigehornet	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? I think i missed something here. Whos the Primary PVP corp? What corp has left? only thing i have seen/heard is individuals leaving individual corps for their own reasons. And good luck to them. We all play the game as we see fit. Im just lost as to where your getting this info from.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. ------------------
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. i dont see us running?
Kraeze	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:19:00 - [82] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. i dont see us running? Take a picture of your VFK hanger while you still can.
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Kraeze Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. i dont see us running? Take a picture of your VFK hanger while you still can. im sure ill be seeing enuf after we win this war.
Kraeze	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Kraeze Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. i dont see us running? Take a picture of your VFK hanger while you still can. im sure ill be seeing enuf after we win this war. I'm glad you still believe it's possible
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:37:00 - [85] This is precious.
Beigehornet	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:39:00 - [86] Haiiiiiil I believe :P It is just fun finally to have some people who can pvp to come play. Iron pilots have skills Kudos to y'all now lets be friends and blow each other up :P I enjoy fighting Azeroth cause we both know hell pwn me but ill still have fun doing it :) And a pic of VFK meh i like CZD trully i was kinda born there and grew up but VFK is my home now i dont see us really leaving without a kicking screaming fight
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Kraeze Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Kraeze Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Originally by: Katya Ishenka I have heard that NFC just lost a few hundred members including their primary PvP corp. can somebody confirm or deny ? so the attempt to win this war wiht propaganda continues iron? Yeh sure, cos we arent winning it with guns and ships are we. i dont see us running? Take a picture of your VFK hanger while you still can. im sure ill be seeing enuf after we win this war. I'm glad you still believe it's possible no i know its possible. can i add something to the peace treaty once we win? this guy has to sing im a little teapot down nfc teamspeak? pleasee nfc officers pleasee
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:40:00 - [88] actually lets make that a personal bet. if nfc win you have to sing like a virgin down teamspeak if iron win i will sing it down your teamspeak
Kraeze	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:07:00 - [89] "peace treaty"
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Pink Marshmellow actually lets make that a personal bet. if nfc win you have to sing like a virgin down teamspeak if iron win i will sing it down your teamspeak NO and NO Have you ever heard darko sing "like a virgin" on TS before? Trust me, you will be scarred for life. P.S. Lets keep the smack down. Its really not worth it in the long run. Just makes it harder in the end. I remember flying with some of you NFC guys back in the day...so lets keep it civil if just to honor the memory. As for Iron, less smacking more F1-F8. Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
Carella Fortune	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:18:00 - [91] Dont think smack was intended by pinks post only something to lighten the situation.
Katya Ishenka	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:27:00 - [92] dude, im nothing to do with you guys just an observer. But a friend told me that NFC lost 270 members and a major PvP corp. So based on the responses above, you havnt lost this many members and a corp or you have ?
Carella Fortune	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:38:00 - [93] To the best of my knowlege no we have not lost this. Who is the corporation that has supposed to have left? and what pvpers?
Pink Marshmellow	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:46:00 - [94] Originally by: Kraeze "peace treaty" yea think i used the wrong term there. you know what i mean
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:51:00 - [95] We seriously need to force the Pilot/Corp/Alliance on the lefty bit.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.06 16:10:00 - [96] Originally by: Death Merchant Originally by: Pink Marshmellow actually lets make that a personal bet. if nfc win you have to sing like a virgin down teamspeak if iron win i will sing it down your teamspeak NO and NO Have you ever heard darko sing "like a virgin" on TS before? Trust me, you will be scarred for life. You havent either...... have you? ------------------
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:06:00 - [97] Edited by: Avril Dewar on 06/07/2006 17:14:46 Originally by: Heero Yuy Originally by: Nende All these comments stating NFC is the devil are highly amusing to me. NFC as an entity made the first mistake and tried to make it work again, now FLA/IRON are the aggressors. FLA broke the treaty for no good reason. Neither side can claim total innocense. Here's pretty much what happened: 1. NFC receives bogus intel and former NFC leadership (AUS corp, now fighting alongside FLA??!!) decides to act. It got out of hand and NFC ended up attacking FLA. You never "received" bogus intel, you manufactured it yourselves. That much was admitted. NO! WE did not manufacture it. The members involved in that are no longer in the NFC. If you are willing to accept AUS are not the same AUS who betrayed you then you must surely be willing to accept that NFC is different seeing as you accused AUS of being the instigators. Originally by: Heero Yuy Quote: 3. Thedragoon proposes a peace agreement between FLA and NFC as both sides realise the war is pointless, uncalled for and not beneficial to anyone. This being done by NEW NFC LEADERSHIP while admitting the fact it was wrong to attack FLA. (Please stop blaiming avril for stuff she didn't do please :) Hardly. First, NFC only started talking when FLA/Alek/BE were poised to take VFK and JU. Second, NFC never admitted a thing to the FLA. No apologies, no explanation - nothing except a sullen acceptance of the de facto situation at hand. I told you that I could apologise for my predecessor's decisions and actions but it would mean nothing because I wasn't apologising for myself - you accepted that. I'm STILL not privvy to all the facts so I don't see how I could possibly give you an explanation. Originally by: Heero Yuy Quote: 4. Peace (please knock it off, both sides were sticking to the agreement). Again, hardly. Requests from FLA to NFC regarding putting up POSes in RFY-QB were rebuffed with reference to the agreed freeze on colonisation in that constellation until an agreement on sharing it had been reached. We consequently put no POSes up. Meanwhile NFC POSes were going up left and right and sovereignty being turned on. There was also the matter of a shared Dysprosium moon in the same constellation, 50% of which yield were to be handed over to FLA. We asked what would be easier, moon mineral or ISK. You said "ISK", we said "fine, ISK it is then" (unlike the way it has been put by the NFC on these forums before). Regardless, despite at the very least half a dozen questions and requests regarding this, no payments were ever made. The dysprosium moon minerals being shared were nothing to do with the peace treaty and I was told you were the ones asking for ISK. Since the POS is in a system where you also have POSes, it would make sense if we just gave you the minerals... As for POSes going up left right and center, no one that I'm aware of has put up any new POSes. A few have upgraded or downgraded in size (as you yourself did with one of the POSes in our space). If you would care to look up FLA sovereignty on the map you will see that now nearly all of the FLA's constellation has sovereignty in it. Since it takes 6 days for the sovereignty claim to go up methinks those were put up before you gave us the ultimatum, meaning that you broke the treaty yourself. Don't be hypocritical. Both sides believe they are right it would appear... Good luck to you all, whichever side you are fighting for. Av Edited for non-sensical stuff
Imran	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:15:00 - [98] burn. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:33:00 - [99] Ya know, I guess i just don't see it but this war is pointless in my opinion.. flame away if ya want I don't really care but your getting my opinion anyways :P Your ALL Residents of the North... Work together for god sakes... There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest.. what is it your actually fighting over? a place to mine? or a place to build? your all good people. I've chatted, fought with & beside most of ya... Anyways there are bigger threats out there... It would be smart to come together now. Dek has always been plagued with wars.... one war after another... and most have been over nothing of real importance... Work together, build an army and re-enforce the borders against those actual outsiders that can and probably will decide to invade one day.... fighting among our selfs just makes us weaker & vulnerable to attacks from outside... So a few people screwed the treatys... the whole North needs restructuring anyways... Ah well maybe it will take an invasion even if temporary to open your eyes and bring yall together.. How about it... BoB, Goons & ASCN... join forces and take over Dek for a few weeks... ah well thats my 2 cents...
Shimeka Umenisont	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:51:00 - [100] If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow.
Imran	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:52:00 - [101] Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow. hippies 4 teh loose. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
Shimeka Umenisont	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:53:00 - [102] Hippies rule. We don't work, we got all the good dope and we love everyone but bob
geewiz	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:13:00 - [103] Edited by: geewiz on 06/07/2006 18:14:21 Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. Stand beside the warriors of D2 again, instead of in their shadow. I remember a similar speech was made by someone when NSA was formed, and we all know what happened there Small and lean good, big and ponderous bad Gee
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:28:00 - [104] Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. --------------------------------------------------------- Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok
Shimeka Umenisont	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:33:00 - [105] Edited by: Shimeka Umenisont on 06/07/2006 18:33:57 Originally by: geewiz Edited by: geewiz on 06/07/2006 18:14:21 I remember a similar speech was made by someone when NSA was formed, and we all know what happened there Small and lean good, big and ponderous bad Gee And it's called learning from your mistakes. Novel idea huh? Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean a similiar idea is destined for failure.
the MoP	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Avril Dewar If you would care to look up FLA sovereignty on the map you will see that now nearly all of the FLA's constellation has sovereignty in it. Since it takes 6 days for the sovereignty claim to go up methinks those were put up before you gave us the ultimatum, meaning that you broke the treaty yourself. i noticed and wondered the same thing, well in advance of hostilities
Lobo Noturno	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:15:00 - [107] I can only speak for myself, so don't even think of complaining about it to my CEO or the alliance I belong to. I think the treaty as posted in the forum is not clear enough on what was agreed, a second version of it was explained to FLA members and a probable third version to NFC members. I can't figure out if the 3jn constelation(I don't remeber the const name...) would fall under the same freeze over POS build up or not. I don't know which side is right, cause any treaty with more than one version obviously make it impossible to all involved to fulfill their part on it or to know what the other party should be doing. Only thing I do know for sure is that all the involved alliance leaders have too much ego for their own good, and they cannot live together. And the poor alliance members end up paying the price. I sincerely hope this stupid feuding ends(unlikely given Deklein history) before someone else comes in and take the candy bars away from everyone... Lobo
O'Sirius	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Lobo Noturno Only thing I do know for sure is that all the involved alliance leaders have too much ego for their own good, and they cannot live together. And the poor alliance members end up paying the price. I sincerely hope this stupid feuding ends(unlikely given Deklein history) before someone else comes in and take the candy bars away from everyone... Lobo What's with this paranoia of someone else coming in and taking Dek away? BoB's just here to have fun, just like we were having fun in the South couple months back. Goons have their hands full with D2. Who else is going to come in that could actually be a threat to take over the region?
Verite Rendition	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:35:00 - [109] Originally by: AbyssStalker There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest.. I completely disagree with this assertion. Dek is packed to the brim with people; NFC + Sparta + FLA is over 2k people living in a single region, that is way too cramped. ASCN has less than 4k members in multiple regions, D2 has 1500 members in massive Branch and Fade. Dek's population, and the NFC's part in particular, needs to drop in about half to give everyone breathing room. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
tyrol	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:39:00 - [110] ha, i remember the last time bob took a roadtrip into the north. Staying in a npc station with common folk was no good for them, they had to go and take our 5 star accommodation in ju whilst they were on. I had only been playing the game 2 months and was pressganged into exo, went through tech 1 frigs like there was no tomorrow and loved every minute of it. All i know is, what ever the outcome, it will be a fun ride. And to comment on the politics side: nfc are bad, fla and iron are right and good. That is all
fire 59	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:46:00 - [111] Serious question. Is iron intent on taking the station's from nfc, or just to fight for the sake of fighting. I ask because im curious of how to work out who's winning. Kill's or sovereignty? Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:00:00 - [112] Who cares about sovereignty, treatys and what ever else your fighting over... you ALL have sovereignty over that region...what? you have to have your name up in lights or something? hell if we did this in real life the whole planet would get Nuked... look at the middle east.. a bunch of lil countrys that hate each other and going nowhere because of it.. unlike the UK & US which are super powers... work together and grow strong... Form a New Alliance, Choose your Councel members, Generals & Fleet commanders to guide the Alliance... Since there's a huge time zone diffrence for alot of people so there should be 2 main fleets ready to fight at a moments notice.. UK time & US time... If your a miner, atleast learn to fly a Frigate & tackle...there's nothing worse then trying to get a fleet together, seeing 200 people online and only 20-30 in gang... I hope I'm getting through to someone here... honestly the fate of the North lays in the hands of its people.. your the majority... and honestly majority rules... If you the people of the North want to grow, prosper & be a Superpower in Eve DO IT... and if the leaders don't listen to their people its time for new leaders because overall your there for your people not personal agendas... And if your a good leader they should be there for you... work together, make peace , screw treatys... Stop the Bull**** and UNITE the NORTH... I'm abyss and I'm running for President ! just kidding :P
Thanos Firebringer	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:05:00 - [113] This guy might be on to something.
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: AbyssStalker There is enough Free Space in Dek & surrounding for the NFC, SPARTA, IRON, FLA & a few others to be honest.. I completely disagree with this assertion. Dek is packed to the brim with people; NFC + Sparta + FLA is over 2k people living in a single region, that is way too cramped. ASCN has less than 4k members in multiple regions, D2 has 1500 members in massive Branch and Fade. Dek's population, and the NFC's part in particular, needs to drop in about half to give everyone breathing room. I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times...
O'Sirius	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:12:00 - [115] Originally by: AbyssStalker I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times... On the left side the second tab is called Backstory. In it you'll find Alliances tab. Click on that and you'll see how many members each alliance has.
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:23:00 - [116] Originally by: O'Sirius Originally by: AbyssStalker I'm not saying your wrong but I don't see where you get your numbers. I have never seen over 300 people in local in Dek or Alliance chat ever... maybe I just login at the wrong times... On the left side the second tab is called Backstory. In it you'll find Alliances tab. Click on that and you'll see how many members each alliance has. yeah... but have you ever seen that many people in Local? Maybe in Empire space around the Newb stations.. and how many are alts? I know a guy thats got 5 accounts... thats what 15 possible alts... I believe there is plenty of room... and if not I'm sure BoB will let us have some of their space... won'tcha guys :P
Ming theMerciless	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:45:00 - [117] Originally by: AbyssStalker Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. --------------------------------------------------------- Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence. From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start.
Shimeka Umenisont	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:00:00 - [118] Originally by: Ming theMerciless AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence. From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start. Sounds like a valid point. But i believe the new alliance that was being suggested was not NFC, but an entirely new entity. Similar to what D2 did. Just do away w/ all remnants of the old Deklein and create somethin new. I do see your point w/the trust issue. And again...NSA blah blah blah. All that was , was a blueprint on how not to do it. After reading a lot of this babble, i don't really think the inhabitants of the north are really ready for something of this magnitude. It would actually take some organization and thinking. And from what i see no one is interested in striving for a common goal. What kind of outcomes are possible from this conflict? I'm not opposed to it, just wondering. If IRON/FLA does push NFC from their foothold in southern deklein, what will they do then? What happens when enemies come knocking again? Will IRON ** down their leg , tuck tail and run like last time? What if they don't push out NFC and the region stays in the constant cluster** that is now known as the north? Maybe there is a favorable outcome and it's just illuding me. And how is Sparta staying neutral and pretending they don't have a dog in this fight? Way i see it is they are next. The region needs to be restructured and GL to anyone who attempts it. Have fun blowing each other up. I know i will.
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:21:00 - [119] Originally by: Ming theMerciless Originally by: AbyssStalker Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Deklein could just fly under a unified flag, greatness would surge in that region. Too bad greed and petty differences are quickly taking over. CLEAN SLATE This is the only solution, imo. Do away will all the letters that currently mean something and start over. Deklein should take it's place amongst the elite once again. --------------------------------------------------------- Exactly and until that happens the people / corps & Alliances living in Dek will never prosper & grow they way they should... Don't let greed & petty diffrences destroy your home... Come together... Found a NEW Alliance... All under one name... Think for once people... Work with each other & become the super power of the North... you should be re-enforcing your home not fighting among your selfs... Just don't name the station in VFK the Blue Oyster again ok AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence. From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start. And they will ultimatly be doomed if they don't...
Heero Yuy	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:43:00 - [120] The FLA has NO intention or interest in taking over and holding the entire region of Deklein. End of story. Our interest is in a stable region, where resources and territory is shared in a fair manner and where all residents have the same say. We have never had any beef with Sparta whatsoever and expect no difficulties in working out things with them after this debacle is over and done with. They are certainly not "next" in any way, shape or form, as there is in fact one name only on "the list". I'll repeat what I said above somewhere: the FLA has an excellent track record when it comes to peaceful co-operation with pilots, corporations and alliances. This only changed when we encountered the NFC and you can make of that whatever you will. For the FLA Council, Heero Yuy
geewiz	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont What kind of outcomes are possible from this conflict? I'm not opposed to it, just wondering. If IRON/FLA does push NFC from their foothold in southern deklein, what will they do then? What happens when enemies come knocking again? Will IRON ** down their leg , tuck tail and run like last time? What if they don't push out NFC and the region stays in the constant cluster** that is now known as the north? Maybe there is a favorable outcome and it's just illuding me. . Um as i recall when IRON left deklein you were handed a 20bn station for free, had no major enemies knocking at the door and friendly neigbours in D2. It is well documented why IRON left deklein and trust me running from targets is not one sir. Hell the first thing we did was head south where we had 1 friendly alliance and everything else was red, that does not strike me as running with tails between legs it strikes me as being fed up with big alliance BS/backstabbing and POS maintenance and wanting to enjoy the game again. Deklein was handed on a shiny platter and was taken with both hands it is disengenious to imply anything otherwise. Gee
Ozzie Asrail	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:56:00 - [122] meh who cares really. If NFC win great, if FLA get kicked out cool, if IRON spank us well buhu I think one of the FREEE guys said it pretty much. North was getting way too blue, i'd rather it was other people we were shooting but thats the way things are. -----
Buddrow	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:16:00 - [123] Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont Originally by: Ming theMerciless AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence. From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start. Sounds like a valid point. But i believe the new alliance that was being suggested was not NFC, but an entirely new entity. Similar to what D2 did. Just do away w/ all remnants of the old Deklein and create somethin new. I do see your point w/the trust issue. And again...NSA blah blah blah. All that was , was a blueprint on how not to do it. After reading a lot of this babble, i don't really think the inhabitants of the north are really ready for something of this magnitude. It would actually take some organization and thinking. And from what i see no one is interested in striving for a common goal. What kind of outcomes are possible from this conflict? I'm not opposed to it, just wondering. If IRON/FLA does push NFC from their foothold in southern deklein, what will they do then? What happens when enemies come knocking again? Will IRON ** down their leg , tuck tail and run like last time? What if they don't push out NFC and the region stays in the constant cluster that is now known as the north? Maybe there is a favorable outcome and it's just illuding me. And how is Sparta staying neutral and pretending they don't have a dog in this fight? Way i see it is they are next. The region needs to be restructured and GL to anyone who attempts it. Have fun blowing each other up. I know i will. The reasonÆs IRON departure was so misunderstood is because no one from the outside saw the reasons, which are, due to a calamitous removal of the leadership IE myself, which lead to neglect of many important situations right around Christmas time, Specifically the bob invasion. We had a good amount of men step up and do well, trying to fill the void but as many leaders know there are things that go on behind the scenes that grease the wheels of success. Not all those ties were kept suspicion began, internal division began and leaders began to tire of a process to laborious to continue on. There was internal split and division and a general feeling of dead weight bringing us down, to fix this you do something drastic to shock the organization, so IRON did that. So we scrapped it for a break and headed to warmer areas while I left the game. IRON then restructured the alliance and we now have proper leadership in place as well as fail safeÆs that should have been in place when I was leading and when I left. They werenÆt big dealà those are the reasons iron left, not a single other reason is to blame other than a leadership choice based upon internal factors and real life incidents. That being said I have no problem kicking your damn door down and dragging you from Dek. However I am no longer the dictator of iron so we took the diplomatic route, which you however chose to allow me to take the route for which iron was created (see alliance description). So regardless of how you view the situation I view it as youÆre in the territory I have taken many times and will take again. You may view it as your home and thatÆs fine, I have no problem thatÆs what wars are for, but in the end the only justification youÆll find in 0.0 is at the end of a barrel. Paragraphs peace treaties and friends will get you half as far as determination & force will get you. I suggest you take that to heart if you want to live anywhere in 0.0. And for all this grand coalition live in peace bull, ** that its boring and makes you weak. Were here for a purpose and its not to mine and shake hands. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
David Godfrey	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:22:00 - [124] Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont Originally by: Ming theMerciless AFAIK, NFC is a new alliance. They tried to form up a coalition and it was suggested they form under 1 alliance, but some refused as they wanted to keep their independence. From what I see on the forum, these guys don't and won't trust each other... a new alliance with them all under 1 banner would be doomed from the start. Sounds like a valid point. But i believe the new alliance that was being suggested was not NFC, but an entirely new entity. Similar to what D2 did. Just do away w/ all remnants of the old Deklein and create somethin new. I do see your point w/the trust issue. And again...NSA blah blah blah. All that was , was a blueprint on how not to do it. After reading a lot of this babble, i don't really think the inhabitants of the north are really ready for something of this magnitude. It would actually take some organization and thinking. And from what i see no one is interested in striving for a common goal. What kind of outcomes are possible from this conflict? I'm not opposed to it, just wondering. If IRON/FLA does push NFC from their foothold in southern deklein, what will they do then? What happens when enemies come knocking again? Will IRON ** down their leg , tuck tail and run like last time? What if they don't push out NFC and the region stays in the constant cluster that is now known as the north? Maybe there is a favorable outcome and it's just illuding me. And how is Sparta staying neutral and pretending they don't have a dog in this fight? Way i see it is they are next. The region needs to be restructured and GL to anyone who attempts it. Have fun blowing each other up. I know i will. The reasonÆs IRON departure was so misunderstood is because no one from the outside saw the reasons, which are, due to a calamitous removal of the leadership IE myself, which lead to neglect of many important situations right around Christmas time, Specifically the bob invasion. We had a good amount of men step up and do well, trying to fill the void but as many leaders know there are things that go on behind the scenes that grease the wheels of success. Not all those ties were kept suspicion began, internal division began and leaders began to tire of a process to laborious to continue on. There was internal split and division and a general feeling of dead weight bringing us down, to fix this you do something drastic to shock the organization, so IRON did that. So we scrapped it for a break and headed to warmer areas while I left the game. IRON then restructured the alliance and we now have proper leadership in place as well as fail safeÆs that should have been in place when I was leading and when I left. They werenÆt big dealà those are the reasons iron left, not a single other reason is to blame other than a leadership choice based upon internal factors and real life incidents. That being said I have no problem kicking your damn door down and dragging you from Dek. However I am no longer the dictator of iron so we took the diplomatic route, which you however chose to allow me to take the route for which iron was created (see alliance description). So regardless of how you view the situation I view it as youÆre in the territory I have taken many times and will take again. You may view it as your home and thatÆs fine, I have no problem thatÆs what wars are for, but in the end the only justification youÆll find in 0.0 is at the end of a barrel. Paragraphs peace treaties and friends will get you half as far as determination & force will get you. I suggest you take that to heart if you want to live anywhere in 0.0. And for all this grand coalition live in peace bull, ** that its boring and makes you weak. Were here for a purpose and its not to mine and shake hands. Bud I <3 U!!!! ----------- They may take our lives but they will never take our freedom! OMFG What the hell !?!?! Fate ^^
AbyssStalker	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:37:00 - [125] Edited by: AbyssStalker on 06/07/2006 23:39:01 Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont Originally by: Ming theMerciless And for all this grand coalition live in peace bull**, ** that its boring and makes you weak. Were here for a purpose and its not to mine and shake hands. And in the end, that will be your downfall... even if you take control of Dek... as long as you keep that mentality your setting your selfs up for failure... Take BoB for example... you don't see this crap in their territory... their not fighting among them selfs like this... and they are a superpower in Eve... And admit it or not the Goons are well on their way while yall are bickering about who has control of Dek like a bunch of 12 yr olds... Get over your selfs.. To many cheifs & no damn indians here.. . Ah well, Like they say... You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink... Good luck with your war... I'm sure there will be many to come... Atleast until a real Alliance decides to take control...
NATMav	Posted - 2006.07.07 01:22:00 - [126] Originally by: AbyssStalker Take BoB for example... you don't see this crap in their territory... their not fighting among them selfs like this... and they are a superpower in Eve... That is because BoB has an outspoken dictator for a leader, a strong, stable command, capable logistics, unselfish industry, and a strong PvP force to defend their borders. None of which has been present in Deklein in many months.
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2006.07.07 02:57:00 - [127] Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Shimeka Umenisont Originally by: Ming theMerciless Stuff And thus why Buddrow is a kick-ass guy. Originally by: Beigehornet Haiiiiiil I believe :P It is just fun finally to have some people who can pvp to come play. Iron pilots have skills Kudos to y'all now lets be friends and blow each other up :P I enjoy fighting Azeroth cause we both know hell pwn me but ill still have fun doing it :)And a pic of VFK meh i like CZD trully i was kinda born there and grew up but VFK is my home now i dont see us really leaving without a kicking screaming fight Dude. Join Exodus. Glad you have fun m8. Originally by: NATMav Originally by: AbyssStalker Take BoB for example... you don't see this crap in their territory... their not fighting among them selfs like this... and they are a superpower in Eve... That is because BoB has an outspoken dictator for a leader, a strong, stable command, capable logistics, unselfish industry, and a strong PvP force to defend their borders. None of which has been present in Deklein in many months. Too much bad blood. Also, unlike BoB, we don't have all the t2 bpos to keep everything funded. Industrialists in the north have mainly been quite selfish people(even when they already have 20+billion), with a very few exceptions. I remember hacs were offered at discount prices of 150 million isk each, when going market was 165. Saddening to be honest. Can't just blame the industrailists though. Someone said it right. Too many chiefs. For those saying "Peace in the north" "Unite to fight a common foe" It happened once. It lasted all of a month until the pvpers got bored out of their minds. Bored soldiers=bad ju ju. For the record, I say screw peace. My views and opinions do not necissarily represent my corporation or alliance. Excuse for saying what I want blah blah blah.
Felicia Stone	Posted - 2006.07.07 09:31:00 - [128] Edited by: Felicia Stone on 07/07/2006 09:32:45 You've got to admire Buddrow's spirit. He's quite right, no-one ever 'won' Eve by NAPing everything in sight. The idea of a united Deklein is a nice prospect but I just can't see it happening with the involved parties. Best to clear it out and rebuild from a clean slate. In the end, one of the fighting parties is going to have to back down and leave Dek. Who that will be remains to be seen... edit: Forgot to add... My views don't represent my corp, my alliance, my cat, my GF, my toaster, my desk or my local chippie.
Raaki	Posted - 2006.07.07 10:47:00 - [129] So did NFC kill that IRON office in JU after all ? I warned u Avril Welcome back IRON. Your not CORE so don't worry about AUS going for executorship

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