The Advanced Industry skill has been updated to give 3%/level reduction to all industry jobs (ie anything you can do in the industry window, not just building); this should be rolled out to TQ in the next week or so.

So... discuss! What sorts of advanced industry skills would be good?

A new skill that amplifies team bonus (e.g. "Team Management"). 10% per level seems reasonable, so a team that provides a 2% ME bonus for instance would provide a 3% ME bonus for someone who had this skill at level 5.

Of course I still think this is what the adv industry skill bonus *should* have been changed to :)

I guess the Idea here is to have something that's going to have some effect that isn't "mandatory" like Material Efficiency was right?

How about something this.

-Self Sufficient: Reduce the impact your jobs have on the system by 5%

This will be nice for Null Sec where you may be limited on building locations. It doesn't impact you directly, but it does impact the people you play with.

So with everyone at level 5 (make it high multiplier, 10x?) the system can utilize 1/3 more people than a system with everyone at level 0 for the same price.

It's not a mandatory skill like Material Efficiency 5 (don't need to wait for it to start building things) And it makes for a happy neighborhood.

Brilliant idea

it's as though CCP has zero knowledge when it comes to how Industry works in their own game.

hmmm, as an economist with factory experience

unfinished production, "work in progress"

ability to start a new production without some of the required materials???

when you get all the needed 'input' you can add it later to the job, which may sit at 80% completion, depending on how much stuff is missing, this way you may save time required for long jobs, while you wait for your components to arrive.


ability to control wastage over time efficiency??

"production efficiency?'

you can speed things up proportionally to increasing the wastage factor, spend more minerals but get your ammunition produced faster. Save some, but job takes a lot longer.


Fine refinement control,

Refining and reprocessing jobs will take time afaik . You may speed things up by 50% when you give up precious and hard to recover trace materials, such as megacyte, morphite, which usually make up 1-2% anyway.

Non stop production cycle

You can produce something without the hassle of manually resetting the jobs, example - ammuniton.

With this skill you can setup extra continuous jobs.

"Production espionage"
You will be able to actually see what sort of things are produced by others, with more detail and station, system, region wide...

Some ideas which you may not like, do not blame me

Wrecked Reverse engineering.

- Provides a buff to the % chance of returning a successful job when reverse engineering from a Wrecked item.

(No one in their right mind reverse engineers from a wrecked item when the success rate and yeild is so low compared to malfunctioning and intact. End result to make them useful)

That would be a game balance issue, not something that should be included as a skill.

Anyway, I don't know if it's low, but I've been getting 33% success rate out of wrecked hulls for a while.

Yes but the cost versus reward ratio for paying for data interface is not worth your time.

At least refund the SP to players and allow them the ability to choose whether to invest in this new, and in my case completely useless, skill. This change may benefit hardcore Industry players but has absolutely no value to the rest of us who previously had it trained.

I hope you took the removal of this skill in to account when you increased the material costs for everything, prices are going to rise through the roof once the current stocks are depleted - it's as though CCP has zero knowledge when it comes to how Industry works in their own game.

"More jobs" is obvious. A somewhat different way of doing that is to have a skill that allows me to have more jobs in the queue, even though I am limited to 11 that are currently active. Think of the skill queue: I can have a dozen or more skills queued up, even though I can only train one at a time. How about having industry jobs the same way? A skill that lets me queue up more than I can have running. As soon as a job finishes, the next drops down out of the queue and begins.

This also makes the TE skill more useful.

The Advanced Industry skill has been updated to give 3%/level reduction to all industry jobs (ie anything you can do in the industry window, not just building); this should be rolled out to TQ in the next week or so.

We are therefore planning on adding some more advanced industrial skills with AI at 5 as a prereq, so there's clear benefit to everyone in having it trained (plus it would be nice to have some more skills).

Advanced Science: 2% reduced copy time per level, requires Science V and Advanced Industry V, rank 5, int/mem.

Advanced Research: 2% reduced TE research time per level, requires Research V and Advanced Industry V, rank 5, int/mem.

Advanced Metallurgy: 2% reduced ME research time per level, requires Metallurgy V and Advanced Industry V, rank 5, int/mem.

Tinkering: 3% reduced invention job time per level, requires Science V, Jury Rigging V, and Advanced Industry V, rank 5, int/mem.

Thoughts?

...its current form is a huge accessibility problem for industry...

Maybe you could add a skill that allows us to resize the S&I window by 10% per level too.

When you are adding new industry skills, you should do something to make Battleship Construction V have a use (along with Industrial Construction V, which I believe is also useless).

So clarifying, material requirement reductions are looked down upon?

Specialist Recovery - 10% per level recovery of input materials when cancelling a job.

-Self Sufficient: Reduce the impact your jobs have on the system by 5%

Thank ya sir!

Maybe if they like this idea they'll take some of my other ideas more seriously. :)

What do you mean "your idea?" :P

Reasonable.