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Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:59:00 - [1] Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.05 11:01:00 - [2] Sensor dampening and blaster dmg bonuses. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.07.05 14:51:00 - [3] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 05/07/2006 14:51:55 mmm need to buy reading skill .. nwm join col ! now
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 14:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? Caldari are getting a railbot because rails are their second weapon type (see: Merlin, Harpy, Moa, Eagle, Ferox, Vulture, Cormorant). As gallente already have ships for their 2 weapon systems (drones and blasters), a sensor damping ship does sound quite likely. As for suggesting missiles... run. Just run. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 14:57:00 - [5] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 05/07/2006 14:51:55 mmm need to buy reading skill .. nwm Very funny. is this for 100%? confirmed by CCP? If yes then time to change to minmatar ships:(
Bazman	Posted - 2006.07.05 14:57:00 - [6] If Gallente get a Missle ship you can have all my stuff when I quit. Most likely it will be a Blaster/dampener ship, though for the love of god I have no idea how that would possibly work without being utterly gimped. ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
Sadayiel	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:01:00 - [7] EW boat EW boat and EW boat nearly 99% of gallente *****s can't be wrong -------------------Sig----------------------- The True Pirate secret
Sunetra	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:02:00 - [8] A sensor damping blaster ship is totally counter intuitive. "Hahah I will reduce your lock range to 15km, stich that" flies to within 2km for blasters They do allow you to close the distance with a bit more comfort I suppose but not my first choice. Sunetra
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:05:00 - [9] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 05/07/2006 15:06:24 tbh; SAY NO TO SENCOR DAMPING BONUS !!!! even misiles is better edit: if we get sencor booster bonus i am leaving eve .. join col ! now
Bazman	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:07:00 - [10] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 05/07/2006 15:06:24 tbh; SAY NO TO SENCOR DAMPING BONUS !!!! even misiles is better edit: if we get sencor booster bonus i am leaving eve .. Don't mention missles at all! Perhaps the devs won't see any threads with suggestions for teir 3 Gallente BS with missles, don't want to chance it at all :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:07:00 - [11] If it's a dampenter boat it probably won't be designed for in-your-face close-range action - just fit rails on it. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:09:00 - [12] I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Sunetra A sensor damping blaster ship is totally counter intuitive. "Hahah I will reduce your lock range to 15km, stich that" flies to within 2km for blasters They do allow you to close the distance with a bit more comfort I suppose but not my first choice. Sunetra Quad damp their range down to 7k, web at 10km, scram, kill. Fly it like a big Celestis or Lachesis :). A Dampening boat with heavy dps will be the new 1v1 god of pvp, just wait and see.
Sunetra	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:13:00 - [14] I love sensor damps an the fact they've not done weapon type specifc bonuses for ages mean it'll prolly get a %5 Hybrid Damage bonus so rail will be good. If it is a damping boat, perhaps with a dampner falloff bonus it'll be fun to watch the forums. "Woo my Caldari BS can snipe out to 200+ km woo" *is sensor damped" "OMFG Caldari is gimped!,NERF Sensor Dampners!" I just better not be a Missle boat, that would be the worst thing to ever happen, maybe, prehaps slightly over dramatic. Sunetra
Bazman	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. lalalala i am not lis-ten-ing Target Painting bonus for Minmatar Teir 3! ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. lalalala i am not lis-ten-ing Target Painting bonus for Minmatar Teir 3! only if we get 10% effectiveness, 5% launcher ROF and 8 launcher points (and the slot layout of the mach). TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Bazman	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. lalalala i am not lis-ten-ing Target Painting bonus for Minmatar Teir 3! only if we get 10% effectiveness, 5% launcher ROF and 8 launcher points (and the slot layout of the mach). Can we get a doomsday device? :( ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. lalalala i am not lis-ten-ing Target Painting bonus for Minmatar Teir 3! only if we get 10% effectiveness, 5% launcher ROF and 8 launcher points (and the slot layout of the mach). QFT :D the new missie spammer :D
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 15:30:54 sensor damper for tier 3 would be idiotic. Who the heck would want to spend 130-150 mil for a tier 3 damper BS when they could spend less than half that and get a scorp? I want 5% dmg and 10% falloff w/ 8 turrets. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Morreia	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:31:00 - [20] Id find a dampening boat with blasters quite fun on that scale. Fly in to 20km, damp so he can only lock at 15km, and proceed to do awsome amounts of damage.
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 15:30:54 sensor damper for tier 3 would be idiotic. Who the heck would want to spend 130-150 mil for a tier 3 damper BS when they could spend less than half that and get a scorp? I want 5% dmg and 10% falloff w/ 8 turrets. Ever fly a solo pvp celestis or lachesis setup? Do it right and the target is pretty much garanteed to die (so long as it does not have a sensor booster).
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. Strength of the Bear and Eyes of the Hawk too, don't forget. --- Originally by: Archilies Ignore what others say: Fit what you want, with what you have, whenever you want.
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:47:00 - [23] Edited by: CB Cyrix on 05/07/2006 15:49:02 check my blog, the info there is about right. trust me... oh and speed of the puma too!!! -GeoTech--Check Out My Blog-
Amerame	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:49:00 - [24] Edited by: Amerame on 05/07/2006 15:50:28 Edited by: Amerame on 05/07/2006 15:49:51 A ship that you might want to fit blasters on. Maybe 8/6/6, 8 turrets, enough grid to fit 8 neutrons + 2 large accom + 1 MWD w/o grid mod, bonus like 10% fallof, 10% extra capacitor / lvl when using a microwarp drive.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. Don't forget about the mass of a Scorpion. It has to align for warp slower than a freighter. Originally by: Letifer Deus I want 5% dmg and 10% falloff w/ 8 turrets. Err, right, and 5% damage with 10% optimal and 8 turrets on the Caldari one. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
FawKa	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:14:00 - [26] As I see it: Gallente has a railboat, Gallente has a droneboat, Gallente doesnt like missiles. end. So and if we get a blasterboat they got a huge problem. it will of course be givin the 5% dmg bonus, but fallof vs. tracking would be quite a question. saying 5% and skib the tracking would kill the blasterboat anyways, and giving it a dampner bonus is just a stupid sugestion. To make a blastership that will do better at it than the mega allready is would require a third bonus. 5% dmg, 7.5% tracking - and either 7.5% fallof or 6% less penalty for MWD. just getting t2 now tho'. oh, nvm, never gonna happen FIX BEFORE FEATURE BRIGADE!
Sunetra	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:31:00 - [27] You say Damping bonus is stupid, but thats what it's going to be and it's going to be awesome. 10% Sensor damper Falloff per level and 5% sensor damper efectivness per level please. Sunetra
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:36:00 - [28] 8x High slot (4x Turrets 4x missiles) 4x Medium 7x Low :/ God damn, looks like typhoon:( Lows and meds like megatrhon, 4 meds and have damp bonus? its hard enought do damp anyone in arazu with 6 meds. WTF Mixed type of guns??? C'Mon I hope thats not confirmed by ccp. Look at amarr 8x High Slot (8x Turets) 6x Medium 5x Low Bonus to Turret range & EWAR. Best is minmatar.
Idara	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:51:00 - [29] Proper blasterboat please. 5% Large Hybrid damage and either -5% MWD penalty or 7.5% tracking per level. Mega's a railboat.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Idara Mega's a railboat. The Megathron bonuses used to be SPECIFICALLY for blasters. I suspect that if blasters weren't perceived as being "broken" (whether they are or not is a difference debate; that they're widely PECEIVED as such is the issue), the Megathron would be used far more often with blasters than rails, instead of vice versa. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:00:00 - [31] Wondering about that myself, the mega has these very 5% damage and 7.5% tracking you suggest for a blasterboat. If not the ship boni, what does make the mega a railboat then?
Gierling	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:15:00 - [32] It won't get a damage bonus if the devs wnat the Megathron to ever be flown again. Falloff and MWD are the most likely. Click Me And Me
FawKa	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Sunetra You say Damping bonus is stupid, but thats what it's going to be and it's going to be awesome. 10% Sensor damper Falloff per level and 5% sensor damper efectivness per level please. Sunetra Yes, as damps helps Rails not blasters - we got a railboat. So whats so awsome again? FIX BEFORE FEATURE BRIGADE!
madaluap	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? wtf? it will be a sensordamp ship and it will PWN y0!1!11 atleast i hope so, blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. _________________________________________________
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:22:00 - [35] We already have blasterboat, but missile would be nice. Look at caldari, they are getting rails, so they will have rails ship, missile ship, ew ship. So gallente could be ..... missile ship with ew Like 5-6 (6-7 hi slot) missile lauchers with 5-6 med slots for dampers. But mixed type guns/missiles
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:36:00 - [36] Aha! My inside source revealed what the new Gallente battleship's bonuses will be! +10% to mining laser yield +5% to dating men -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Aha! My inside source revealed what the new Gallente battleship's bonuses will be! +10% to mining laser yield +5% to dating men These bonuses FTW. The developers have said Tier III would be focused on Fleet Combat; Caldari are getting a railboat, the Gallente are probably getting a dedicated railboat too. My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Mather Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:03:00 - [38] No missiles ffs, I want my Gallente ship to use drones and guns. So what if the ship would have a 'range' + 'damage' bonus for sentry drones + a dampening bonus? That could be interesting. 5 sniper drones + 8x 425mm rail. We won't get the uber range the Caldari BS is going to have, but we can make up by dampening. //No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\
FawKa	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:05:00 - [39] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? wtf? it will be a sensordamp ship and it will PWN y0!1!11 atleast i hope so, blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. Try think for a sec. 6 slots for guns, 1 for launcher 7 slots for EW 7 slots for tanking I bet you can see it yourself - wont happen. end. FIX BEFORE FEATURE BRIGADE!
Arkios Odymei	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:10:00 - [40] Well, Copy and paste this baby into your EvE In-Game-Browser and click away... http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/ships.txt Its showing the Gallente BS to have: - 8 high slots (8 turrets/1 launcher) - 6 Mid slots - 6 Low slots And Im pretty sure that the overall theme for all of the tier 3 BS's is long range fleet combat, so a sensor-dampening / Rail boat would make sense, and be pretty effective aswell. My guess is: +10% to Sensor-dampener falloff, +5% Large Hybrid damage. In fleet stand offs, it would be like a Scorp (in the fact that it wont let the emenys obtain a lock, unless they are at close ranges) that packs a Punch (from a full rack of bonus-boosted 425's).
madaluap	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:13:00 - [41] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? wtf? it will be a sensordamp ship and it will PWN y0!1!11 atleast i hope so, blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. Try think for a sec. 6 slots for guns, 1 for launcher 7 slots for EW 7 slots for tanking I bet you can see it yourself - wont happen. end. Wowow no need for rolling eyes here (i hate that smilly ..) when did i say it has 6 high or 7 low... i said it will have 7 med and now go roll yourself _________________________________________________
Shindalin	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:21:00 - [42] I hope to god almigthy that CCP wont get missiles on this one! I will get myself a Ishtar or two and kill any hc¦s that the dev¦s fly in the game if they do put missiles on this one.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:22:00 - [43] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 05/07/2006 18:22:19 Originally by: Arkios Odymei Well, Copy and paste this baby into your EvE In-Game-Browser and click away... http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/ships.txt Its showing the Gallente BS to have: - 8 high slots (8 turrets/1 launcher) - 6 Mid slots - 6 Low slots And Im pretty sure that the overall theme for all of the tier 3 BS's is long range fleet combat, so a sensor-dampening / Rail boat would make sense, and be pretty effective aswell. My guess is: +10% to Sensor-dampener falloff, +5% Large Hybrid damage. In fleet stand offs, it would be like a Scorp (in the fact that it wont let the emenys obtain a lock, unless they are at close ranges) that packs a Punch (from a full rack of bonus-boosted 425's). 10% to large Blaster damage per level, 5% less penalty to max capacitor for MicroWarpdrive usage per level. Come on! sign meh! ---------- - Office Linebacker -
FawKa	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:24:00 - [44] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: FawKa Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? wtf? it will be a sensordamp ship and it will PWN y0!1!11 atleast i hope so, blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. Try think for a sec. 6 slots for guns, 1 for launcher 7 slots for EW 7 slots for tanking I bet you can see it yourself - wont happen. end. Wowow no need for rolling eyes here (i hate that smilly ..) when did i say it has 6 high or 7 low... i said it will have 7 med and now go roll yourself So, you just want 7 meds, and 4-5 for tanking and a mixed highslot setup. Just go for a scorp - and for the other poster, caldari gets the railboat, would be odd to make two railboats afterall, would it not? FIX BEFORE FEATURE BRIGADE!
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:25:00 - [45] A falloff would be a serious waste, especially on a tier 3 ship. The thing is, Dampeners weren't meant to be effective long range, which is why they have more falloff than optimal range. Additionally, without an effectiveness bonus dampeners are more or less useless (compared to ECM). Four dampeners (mid slots) and an interceptor still has 5km lock range and less than 10 seconds to lock a Helios (this is with level 4 skills)? A prediction for a tier 3 dampener ship is, that if anything it would have a fitting similar to 8/7/5 with 6 turrets and 2-3 launchers (although would be neat with a 6 turret and 4 launchers just to mirror the Caldari version). 5% effectiveness, of course. Preferably a bit higher, considering that it takes 3 mid slots to do any sort of dampening damage on a hostile ship - and now we're talking battleship grade, so it needs to be a bit stronger! Then there is that last bonus. Anyone else noticed Gallente always get +5% hybrid damage? No need to change that tradition, really. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Sarmaul I suggest a split-weapon system - 4 missiles, 4 blasters, the CPU of the phoon, the pg of the dominix and the speed of the raven. Now that would be nice but redundant Unless the sensor dampner bonus can drop the range of the enemy bs to under blaster raneg then i dotn think it would be worth it , as for fitting rails the dps would be gimped beyound recognition. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Gabriel Karade 10% to large Blaster damage per level, 5% less penalty to max capacitor for MicroWarpdrive usage per level. Come on! sign meh! And why this could work without making the Megathron obsolete (based upon the 8/6/6 Tier 3 configuration)... Tech II Ion Mega with AM ammo and 2 Damage modules = 700 dps + 5 Heavy drones (Ogres - 316 dps) With 7 turrets, no damage modules, and no 25% damage bonus that is 380 Dps (approx +47% DPS for two modules) Ok taking that as base, x 8/7 for number of turrets x 1.5 for the damage bonus x 1.23 for 1 damage module (1 less low slot on the Tier III) = 800 dps So the Tier III's turrets do more damage, BUT last I checked it was unable to field a bay of heavy drones - 5x Hammerhead II's was the best achievable, which is approximately 155 DPS So: Megathron - 700 + 316 DPS = 1016 Tier 3 - 800 + 155 DPS = 955 i.e. the Tier 3 would be a sturdier platform, but would not hit quite as hard overall, plus it has no bonus to railguns unlike the Megathron. Give us Ze Blaster Boat! ---------- - Office Linebacker -
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Aha! My inside source revealed what the new Gallente battleship's bonuses will be! +10% to mining laser yield +5% to dating men entity is going to cream himself
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Arkios Odymei Well, Copy and paste this baby into your EvE In-Game-Browser and click away... http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/ships.txt Its showing the Gallente BS to have: - 8 high slots (8 turrets/1 launcher) - 6 Mid slots - 6 Low slots And Im pretty sure that the overall theme for all of the tier 3 BS's is long range fleet combat, so a sensor-dampening / Rail boat would make sense, and be pretty effective aswell. Only one problem here, the Gallente Tier 3 at the moment has a base targeting range of 50km (compared to 72km for a Megathron), it also has a huge capactior (5760 compared to 4500 for a Megathron), not to mention it is faster than a Megathron - all in all, it sounds like a short range boat to me. now gimme that 10% Blaster damage per level ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:02:00 - [50] Ah. Everyone are aware that those stats are from before Tuxford's team ever began looking at tier 3 battleships? They really should've been deleted from the database long ago. Would've saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:03:00 - [51] Originally by: Ithildin Ah. Everyone are aware that those stats are from before Tuxford's team ever began looking at tier 3 battleships? They really should've been deleted from the database long ago. Would've saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. remeber the tech2 ammo though
Terraform	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:10:00 - [52] damn, i can't believe how many whiners are going "if it's this or that kind of ship i'm going to leave eve". I mean come on, you're seriously going to balance your entire game on one little ship? I personally hope they release the worst kind of ships that everyone hates which will make some whiners leave, and then nobody will use them so it's all back to normal... in my opinion tech 3 ships = just another reason for people to whine about something. and no, i'm not being pessimistic.. much... Shaper and destroyer of worlds... i love my job!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:12:00 - [53] I DEMAND THAT THE CALDARI BATTLESHIP HAVE RED STRIPES TO MATCH MY HAIR OR I'M LEAVING EVE! shakes fist -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I DEMAND THAT THE CALDARI BATTLESHIP HAVE RED STRIPES TO MATCH MY HAIR OR I'M LEAVING EVE! shakes fist As long as gallente one is based off Verone's hair
Exiled One	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:28:00 - [55] Buttplug.
slothe	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Gierling It won't get a damage bonus if the devs wnat the Megathron to ever be flown again. Falloff and MWD are the most likely. after thinking about it logically i think this is gonna be the case
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:17:00 - [57] The new Gallenet BS will only have 1 highslot an dno weapon hardpoints, but it gets 99% CPU and pg reduction for a new special module.It doens't do anythign to most ships but when used agaoinst a Raven it does 999999999999 damage and pods the Raven pilot. This serves to nerf the Rvaen without touching the ship itself, because the Caldari won't let the devs touch thei'r BBQ mobile. Overpowered? Not really a sit work only agaoinst one ship. Limited? Not really as half of the ships out there are Ravens. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
SasRipper	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:25:00 - [58] anything but missiles anything we dont want a big lacheis! blasters + null + faction web + damps = might work Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:20:00 - [59] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I DEMAND THAT THE CALDARI BATTLESHIP HAVE RED STRIPES TO MATCH MY HAIR OR I'M LEAVING EVE! shakes fist As long as gallente one is based off Verone's hair Verone's hair is pink, and half the Gallente T2 ships are made my Roden, which makes them pink...so it would fit in perfectly! -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
White Ronin	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:22:00 - [60] Damper/Drone rig and fit a tracking disrupter.... +10% to drone hit points and damage + 5% to Damper effectiveness OR to tracking disrupter effectiveness. Yeah, that would be nice.
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:25:00 - [61] Originally by: SasRipper anything but missiles anything we dont want a big lacheis! blasters + null + faction web + damps = might work Ehh I just dont get ppl, using close range guns with damps:(
Killer Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:56:00 - [62] Well u know what i heard? I heard that the Min Teir 3 BS is gona be a Missile boat with 8 Missile Hard points.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Killer Dragon Well u know what i heard? I heard that the Min Teir 3 BS is gona be a Missile boat with 8 Missile Hard points. Rumors started by stupid suggestions. Minmatar version of the raven, better than raven. Yay! Whine whine whine, sigs
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:58:00 - [64] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 23:04:30 Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 15:30:54 sensor damper for tier 3 would be idiotic. Who the heck would want to spend 130-150 mil for a tier 3 damper BS when they could spend less than half that and get a scorp? I want 5% dmg and 10% falloff w/ 8 turrets. Ever fly a solo pvp celestis or lachesis setup? Do it right and the target is pretty much garanteed to die (so long as it does not have a sensor booster). Let us for a second think about what % of BS use at least one sensor booster 2... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Gabriel Karade 10% to large Blaster damage per level, 5% less penalty to max capacitor for MicroWarpdrive usage per level. Come on! sign meh! And why this could work without making the Megathron obsolete (based upon the 8/6/6 Tier 3 configuration)... Tech II Ion Mega with AM ammo and 2 Damage modules = 700 dps + 5 Heavy drones (Ogres - 316 dps) With 7 turrets, no damage modules, and no 25% damage bonus that is 380 Dps (approx +47% DPS for two modules) Ok taking that as base, x 8/7 for number of turrets x 1.5 for the damage bonus x 1.23 for 1 damage module (1 less low slot on the Tier III) = 800 dps So the Tier III's turrets do more damage, BUT last I checked it was unable to field a bay of heavy drones - 5x Hammerhead II's was the best achievable, which is approximately 155 DPS So: Megathron - 700 + 316 DPS = 1016 Tier 3 - 800 + 155 DPS = 955 i.e. the Tier 3 would be a sturdier platform, but would not hit quite as hard overall, plus it has no bonus to railguns unlike the Megathron. Give us Ze Blaster Boat! And then you have someone like moi, who will put 3x mag stab 2s, 2x 1600 plates and a named damage control on that tier 3. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
xenodia	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:15:00 - [66] Originally by: Wolverine PL its hard enought do damp anyone in arazu with 6 meds. WTF Um... I dont have any problem dampening people in my Arazu. Even if hes running sensor boosters, I can dampen a battleships targeting range down to 20k or less easily. If hes not running multiple sensor boosters, its more like 10k.
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:30:00 - [67] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 23:30:53 Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari The developers have said Tier III would be focused on Fleet Combat; Caldari are getting a railboat, the Gallente are probably getting a dedicated railboat too. how about a blaster boat that is useful/practical in fleets? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
The Anointed	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Sunetra A sensor damping blaster ship is totally counter intuitive. "Hahah I will reduce your lock range to 15km, stich that" flies to within 2km for blasters They do allow you to close the distance with a bit more comfort I suppose but not my first choice. Sunetra Maybe for you, but tbh i would be more than happy to reduce the time in which you take damage on the approach, cause that was always my problem, when i got to range I could tear most ships down quite quickly, but they had started tearing me a new one straight away. Sensor dampening so that during the 25k approach, you only take damage for even 15k of it would be a bonus imo (sold my gall char a while ago so i dont know what the stacking penalty is on sensor damps, how low can you get a ships lock range these days?)
Fierce Deity	Posted - 2006.07.06 00:40:00 - [69] now that i look at it that way a damp bonus wouldn't be half bad, would let you get to distance without taking so much of a beating. ------FD------ Recruiting: Hera Star
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:12:00 - [70] Originally by: Wolverine PL Originally by: SasRipper anything but missiles anything we dont want a big lacheis! blasters + null + faction web + damps = might work Ehh I just dont get ppl, using close range guns with damps:( because maybe their are other effects that would make blasters work... like the speed of locks? omg... maybe just maybe it would work... its not like you can't test it now on a dominix, moa, thorax, vexor or megathron to see if it does work... which it does if you know how to pilot a ship properly. Team Minmatar
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.06 07:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 23:26:53 Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2006 23:15:25 Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Gabriel Karade 10% to large Blaster damage per level, 5% less penalty to max capacitor for MicroWarpdrive usage per level. Come on! sign meh! And why this could work without making the Megathron obsolete (based upon the 8/6/6 Tier 3 configuration)... Tech II Ion Mega with AM ammo and 2 Damage modules = 700 dps + 5 Heavy drones (Ogres - 316 dps) With 7 turrets, no damage modules, and no 25% damage bonus that is 380 Dps (approx +47% DPS for two modules) Ok taking that as base, x 8/7 for number of turrets x 1.5 for the damage bonus x 1.23 for 1 damage module (1 less low slot on the Tier III) = 800 dps So the Tier III's turrets do more damage, BUT last I checked it was unable to field a bay of heavy drones - 5x Hammerhead II's was the best achievable, which is approximately 155 DPS So: Megathron - 700 + 316 DPS = 1016 Tier 3 - 800 + 155 DPS = 955 i.e. the Tier 3 would be a sturdier platform, but would not hit quite as hard overall, plus it has no bonus to railguns unlike the Megathron. Give us Ze Blaster Boat! And then you have someone like moi, who will put 3x mag stab 2s, 2x 1600 plates and a named damage control on that tier 3. Can you say 1369 dps from guns alone? Yup, but that would be ok, as this would be an all out close range boat with no long range options - everyone would know that in a pure sub-10km slugging match they are probably going to die ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Sue Lang	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:00:00 - [72] I hope they focus on our rails since each race has an exclusive wep to themselves gal hybrids amar lazer caldari missles minimater projectile i hope they make a railgun out of the tier 3, Mwhat i think would be cool added effect if rail 25% increased opt range and 50% damage with all largy rail drivers 125% increase in range and signiture increase of target painters
Akiman	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:39:00 - [73] how about %5 turret damage %10 to optimal range? hehehe could be cool for a blaster boat and it could be father of incursus we have one ship like that..
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:48:00 - [74] +10% of not a lot is still, not a lot... An optimal range bonus is a waste for blasters ---------- - Office Linebacker -
OzaLoni	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:52:00 - [75] Edited by: OzaLoni on 06/07/2006 09:52:16 Hang on, maybe I am missing something... Isn't the whole problem with the blasterthron that if you don't land on top of your victim you might be dead by the time you get in range... by dampening said victim you get 1) The ability to get in range before he locks you. 2) Be first to start hitting the targets I admit with the slot layout I've seen its going to be fun fitting, as you would expect more mids... more details pls CCP! Only one image as a sig please - Cathath ([email protected])
Kathira	Posted - 2006.07.06 11:40:00 - [76] The tier 3 gallente BS will be the pure allrounder. That means ugly to hell and the following slot combination at the start: 7 / 7 / 7 Then the ppl. will crie some hundred rivers. After that it will be nerfed so that the Dominix will still be the best over all BS of the gallentians. Sad but true.
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.06 13:13:00 - [77] You all seem to forget the concept art for this ship is out there right now for you to look at and it shows it with 8 turret guns So its definatly a gun ship of some sort. And yes this is an official image Linkagehttp://www.asgeirjon.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=6 ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Voltron	Posted - 2006.07.06 13:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Aha! My inside source revealed what the new Gallente battleship's bonuses will be! +10% to mining laser yield +5% to dating men LMFAO that woke me up Volt
madaluap	Posted - 2006.07.06 13:47:00 - [79] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: madaluap Originally by: FawKa Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Wolverine PL Does anyone know if what kind of battleships it will be? I read its gonna be damper like ship (bigger celestis) which I hope isnt true. Caldari will get rails, so gallente should get.... missile type Battleship. Anyone from CCP can confirm that? wtf? it will be a sensordamp ship and it will PWN y0!1!11 atleast i hope so, blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. Try think for a sec. 6 slots for guns, 1 for launcher 7 slots for EW 7 slots for tanking I bet you can see it yourself - wont happen. end. Wowow no need for rolling eyes here (i hate that smilly ..) when did i say it has 6 high or 7 low... i said it will have 7 med and now go roll yourself So, you just want 7 meds, and 4-5 for tanking and a mixed highslot setup. Just go for a scorp - and for the other poster, caldari gets the railboat, would be odd to make two railboats afterall, would it not? I dont want to fly mother******* caldari in pvp ok? And besides a bs sized damp boat that looks like sex = win Also where are you getting this crap from, mixed highslots? You keep responding like you know the entire layout of the bs, but you dont. 5 high 8 med 5 low Think thats pretty cool support ship , combined with a: +7.5% to sensordamp strength each lvl.. overpowered? no, because every caldari jam ship gets a bonus to capusage and only the scorp to strength, gallente get a bonus to strenght (else they suck to much) so some extra strengt on bs lvl (2.5% extra each lvl) isnt bad. _________________________________________________
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:14:00 - [80] Originally by: madaluap 5 high 8 med 5 low Think thats pretty cool support ship , combined with a: +7.5% to sensordamp strength each lvl.. overpowered? no, because every caldari jam ship gets a bonus to capusage and only the scorp to strength, gallente get a bonus to strenght (else they suck to much) so some extra strengt on bs lvl (2.5% extra each lvl) isnt bad. high 7, 7 turrets, 2 launchers mid 6 low 7 ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:02:00 - [81] Originally by: OzaLoni Edited by: OzaLoni on 06/07/2006 09:52:16 Hang on, maybe I am missing something... Isn't the whole problem with the blasterthron that if you don't land on top of your victim you might be dead by the time you get in range... by dampening said victim you get 1) The ability to get in range before he locks you. 2) Be first to start hitting the targets ding ding ding... someone finally used their brain! Team Minmatar
Secks Toy	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:29:00 - [82] I want a large thorax. Blaster and MWD bonus. I think a giant black thorax would be pretty menacing.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.06 19:31:00 - [83] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 06/07/2006 19:31:40 Originally by: Secks Toy I want a large thorax. Blaster and MWD bonus. I think a giant black thorax would be pretty menacing. Vigilant or Vindicator, cant remember. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
EL TITAN	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:11:00 - [84] heh it needs to mimic the scorpion really, in slot layout as well. 5x turret slots maybe 6 7 or 8 mid slots sensor dampening bonus 5 lows 125 dronebay gallente ew bs _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:47:00 - [85] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 06/07/2006 21:50:35 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: OzaLoni Edited by: OzaLoni on 06/07/2006 09:52:16 Hang on, maybe I am missing something... Isn't the whole problem with the blasterthron that if you don't land on top of your victim you might be dead by the time you get in range... by dampening said victim you get 1) The ability to get in range before he locks you. 2) Be first to start hitting the targets ding ding ding... someone finally used their brain! Let's think... blaster BS with 5 mid slots mwd, web, 20km, cap booster and a grand total of ONE sensor damper. So any target with a sensor booster will lock you first, so the lock time increase doesn't matter, and it's highly unlikely the targeting range decrease will even be relevent. Wow, so awesome... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.06 21:49:00 - [86] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Yup, but that would be ok, as this would be an all out close range boat with no long range options - everyone would know that in a pure sub-10km slugging match they are probably going to die Oh, I wasn't trying to bash it, I friggin want it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.06 22:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 06/07/2006 19:31:40 Originally by: Secks Toy I want a large thorax. Blaster and MWD bonus. I think a giant black thorax would be pretty menacing. Vigilant or Vindicator, cant remember. Vigilant. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.07 00:50:00 - [88] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 07/07/2006 00:50:32 Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 06/07/2006 21:50:35 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: OzaLoni Edited by: OzaLoni on 06/07/2006 09:52:16 Hang on, maybe I am missing something... Isn't the whole problem with the blasterthron that if you don't land on top of your victim you might be dead by the time you get in range... by dampening said victim you get 1) The ability to get in range before he locks you. 2) Be first to start hitting the targets ding ding ding... someone finally used their brain! Let's think... blaster BS with 5 mid slots mwd, web, 20km, cap booster and a grand total of ONE sensor damper. So any target with a sensor booster will lock you first, so the lock time increase doesn't matter, and it's highly unlikely the targeting range decrease will even be relevent. Wow, so awesome... Yeah right... get a clue... not every ship is supposed to be used solo... hey its 2006 you might wanna adapt and maybe play the game the way it's meant to be played? Team Minmatar
kessah	Posted - 2006.07.07 01:52:00 - [89] crist guys why not just make gallente have it so that when u hit F1 u just kill the target. Seriously thankful u gallente hoe's aint in ccp dev team. I totally hope the new gallente bs is ment more for rails than blasters. How bout giving them one ship without the 5% dmg bonus... -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate
Gierling	Posted - 2006.07.07 02:06:00 - [90] 8 Turrets and a damage bonus and no one ever uses the mega again, 20k powergrid and a drone bonus and no one ever uses the domi again. Falloff and MWD, only option... Good damage, good range, good useability. Deal with it. Click Me And Me
Hub Quantum	Posted - 2006.07.07 06:26:00 - [91] So the people who only see DPS are going "The day I see a sensor dampenener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I quit" meanwhile, the people with a brain in their heads are going "The day I see a sensor dampener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I go OMGWTFBBQ!" A sensor dampenener bonus with enough slots would be downright nasty.
murder one	Posted - 2006.07.07 07:00:00 - [92] Originally by: Hub Quantum So the people who only see DPS are going "The day I see a sensor dampenener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I quit" meanwhile, the people with a brain in their heads are going "The day I see a sensor dampener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I go OMGWTFBBQ!" A sensor dampenener bonus with enough slots would be downright nasty. A damp bonus would hardly ever get used except MAYBE for fleet combat. If I had a Mega w/ 7 mids (4 plus another 3 for damps) would I have damps fitted? HELL NO. I'd have Multispec ECMs in there jamming the crap outta people. You need 3x damps to even use them semi-effectively, so unless the new blaster boat has 7x mids, it's going to be useless damp-wise. Unless of course it has something like 5 mids, and gets a 1000% increase in damp effectiveness as a bonus, so you only have to fit one, and it could possibly be just as effective as a multispec in a fight. Then you might see a BS w/ damp and rails kiting other BS. Now that might be interesting =]
Sandra Tseng	Posted - 2006.07.07 08:08:00 - [93] I think theese bonuses would eb good for a RSD/Blaster ship +5% effectivness and fallof for Remote Sensor Dampers +5% Scan Resolution per level funny noone mentioned scan resolution. Having a fast lock-on time is critical for any EW ship IMO.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.07 08:30:00 - [94] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Hub Quantum So the people who only see DPS are going "The day I see a sensor dampenener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I quit" meanwhile, the people with a brain in their heads are going "The day I see a sensor dampener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I go OMGWTFBBQ!" A sensor dampenener bonus with enough slots would be downright nasty. A damp bonus would hardly ever get used except MAYBE for fleet combat. If I had a Mega w/ 7 mids (4 plus another 3 for damps) would I have damps fitted? HELL NO. I'd have Multispec ECMs in there jamming the crap outta people. You need 3x damps to even use them semi-effectively, so unless the new blaster boat has 7x mids, it's going to be useless damp-wise. 1) Tier 3 BSs are designed around Fleet combat. 2) 22 slots on a megathron you might as well fly a jovian shuttle. 3) ECM are retarded as is... 4) 1 damp works well on short range ships that can't fit sensor boosters. 5) You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about damp wise 6) Fleet combat doesn't revolve around you roaming solo trying to bbqh@x people because you pay 15bucks a month. Team Minmatar
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.07 18:28:00 - [95] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 07/07/2006 18:32:46 Originally by: Kaylana Syi [Yeah right... get a clue... not every ship is supposed to be used solo... hey its 2006 you might wanna adapt and maybe play the game the way it's meant to be played? Please show me where CCP said, "you aren't supposed to solo in eve, only do group/fleet battles. Thanks." "Hello, I would like a tier 3 gallente damper BS that costs twice as much and isn't as good at EWar." Idiot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.07 19:56:00 - [96] Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 07/07/2006 18:32:46 Originally by: Kaylana Syi [Yeah right... get a clue... not every ship is supposed to be used solo... hey its 2006 you might wanna adapt and maybe play the game the way it's meant to be played? Please show me where CCP said, "you aren't supposed to solo in eve, only do group/fleet battles. Thanks." "Hello, I would like a tier 3 gallente damper BS that costs twice as much and isn't as good at EWar." Idiot. yeah... w/e... First of all damps on damp ships are sweet. Celestis and Arazu are excellent fleet ships. A BS variant with blasters, rails or missiles would be a great addition. Second of all, noone said you can't solo in tier 3 but you won't be optimized for it in a fleet optimized ship. Sorry but if you can't understand that then what we have here is an old fashion case of the Pot Calling The Kettle Black. Team Minmatar
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.07.07 20:46:00 - [97] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Gierling It won't get a damage bonus if the devs wnat the Megathron to ever be flown again. Falloff and MWD are the most likely. after thinking about it logically i think this is gonna be the case tbh I don't agree, Blasters and galletne use falloff, it's it going to be a bonues to range it will probably be optimal as falloff is minmater, mwd sounds liek a gogo, I hope ot god it gets a damge bonus cause if it doesnt personally i won't fly it. I'll stick to ze mega for dmg. I'll put on a lamess setup on it lol High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.07 20:57:00 - [98] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: slothe Originally by: Gierling It won't get a damage bonus if the devs wnat the Megathron to ever be flown again. Falloff and MWD are the most likely. after thinking about it logically i think this is gonna be the case tbh I don't agree, Blasters and galletne use falloff, it's it going to be a bonues to range it will probably be optimal as falloff is minmater, mwd sounds liek a gogo, I hope ot god it gets a damge bonus cause if it doesnt personally i won't fly it. I'll stick to ze mega for dmg. I'll put on a lamess setup on it lol Gierling just spams all threds about Gallente battleship ships with that stuff. He just ignore that it's a really bad suggestion. He's already posted nearly the same post in this thred already. If Gierling reads this, I'll post problems with his suggestion one more time: * Tracking is bad * Falloff will encroach on Tempest, making AC Tempest obsolete * Damage is much worse than Megathron's, regardless of slot layout. * A blaster battleship doesn't need this better cap, it was given to the Thorax because it was a weak, near useless, bonus when the Thorax was overly good. * Making a blaster dedicated ship is neither original nor does it not tread on existing ships. If you want a good blaster ship, then it needs speed, agility, and spare high slots without losing damage (so that when it gets to range it can support additional cap use with NOSferatus). The Megathron is the ideal build, bar lack of mid slots, for a blaster ship. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.08 03:16:00 - [99] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 08/07/2006 03:24:14 Originally by: Kaylana Syi yeah... w/e... First of all damps on damp ships are sweet. Celestis and Arazu are excellent fleet ships. A BS variant with blasters, rails or missiles would be a great addition. Second of all, noone said you can't solo in tier 3 but you won't be optimized for it in a fleet optimized ship. Sorry but if you can't understand that then what we have here is an old fashion case of the Pot Calling The Kettle Black. You totally ignored my second point. Why would someone want to fly what would basically be a damper scorpion that costs twice as much? Originally by: Ithildin If Gierling reads this, I'll post problems with his suggestion one more time: * Tracking is bad * Falloff will encroach on Tempest, making AC Tempest obsolete * Damage is much worse than Megathron's, regardless of slot layout. * A blaster battleship doesn't need this better cap, it was given to the Thorax because it was a weak, near useless, bonus when the Thorax was overly good. * Making a blaster dedicated ship is neither original nor does it not tread on existing ships. 1) Who cares if tracking is worse when your target is webbed and doing 15-20 m/s? 2) incursus, Catalyst, deimos and astarte = gallente blaster boats that have falloff bonus. 3) 9.4% isn't exactly "much worse" 4) Increased cap = increased range (via mwd), less susceptability to nos and better tanking (for those silly people that active tank blasterthrons). 5) The thorax was not given the cap bonus because it was "overly good," tt's drone bay was cut in half because it was overly powerful. The thorax was better after getting the cap bonus. I'm not saying I agree with Gierling, because I don't want a blasterboat with falloff and mwd cap bonus. But your reasoning for why it sucks, well, sucks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.08 03:22:00 - [100] Originally by: Hub Quantum So the people who only see DPS are going "The day I see a sensor dampenener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I quit" meanwhile, the people with a brain in their heads are going "The day I see a sensor dampener bonus on a tier 3 BS is the day I go OMGWTFBBQ!" A sensor dampenener bonus with enough slots would be downright nasty. You mean downright nasty like a scorp, only 2x as much? If someone could propose a damper bs that would make it worth the ~130 mil price tag, I'd be all for it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.08 03:35:00 - [101] Originally by: Sandra Tseng I think theese bonuses would eb good for a RSD/Blaster ship +5% effectivness and fallof for Remote Sensor Dampers +5% Scan Resolution per level funny noone mentioned scan resolution. Having a fast lock-on time is critical for any EW ship IMO. That is 3 bonuses hidden in 2. No way they are going to do that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Zeros Omega	Posted - 2006.07.08 03:53:00 - [102] Originally by: madaluap blasting = mega rails = mega drones = dominix and missiles arent the gallente way so we get 7 medslot damp ship, allthough 7 is crap, but i know ccp will never give gallente more medslots than caldari. besides for this fact, gallente armor tank. so 7 mid, 5-6 low? leaves us with 2 high? gee, this gonna be ****tier dps then a scorpian 8 is the max anyways so we would just be tied
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.08 05:24:00 - [103] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 08/07/2006 05:28:32 Edited by: Letifer Deus on 08/07/2006 05:25:43 Originally by: Zeros Omega besides for this fact, gallente armor tank. so 7 mid, 5-6 low? leaves us with 2 high? gee, this gonna be ****tier dps then a scorpian 8 is the max anyways so we would just be tied Well, I'm assuming it will have 1 more slot than a mega, so 7-7-6, 7-8-5 or 6-8-7 are possible layouts for a damper bs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:02:00 - [104] We, gallante, already have a blaster boat, and the vindi is a B boat with MWD bonus. What we don't have is an EW boat with a range bonus. As such I would love a 10% boni on both damp range and effectiveness. A damage bonus would be wasted on a EW ship anyways. And, as short range ships are risky investments, if it doesn't have, say 3 points of warp core strength as a role bonus, and assuming the standard increase in price from tier 1 -->tier2 --->tier3, the t3 boat will prolly cost around 200 to 300 mill to build, it will be too much of a risk to ever fly one of those ships. Not to mention, insurance on those babies will be around 70 to 100 mill... With a role bonus to warp core strength it's doable, but otherwise, no. Just no. As such, Plz, plz, plz let it be a pure and simple damper boat.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:04:00 - [105] Huh? I was under the impression that the Tier 3s are going to cost about 150mil...I mean serious, they just won't be flown much if they cost 300... -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 08/07/2006 06:03:55 Edited by: Letifer Deus on 08/07/2006 05:58:38 Originally by: Zeros Omega besides for this fact, gallente armor tank. so 7 mid, 5-6 low? leaves us with 2 high? gee, this gonna be ****tier dps then a scorpian 8 is the max anyways so we would just be tied Well, I'm assuming it will have 1 more slot than a mega, so 7-7-6, 7-8-5 or 6-8-7 are possible layouts for a damper bs. If it's gonna have to be a damper ship, I could go for a 5% dmg and 5% damper strength with 7 turret hp and 7-7-6 layout. Personally though, I'd prefer this: 5% max speed, 5% mwd cap penalty reduction 8-5-7, 8 turret HP How is this fleet-oriented, you ask? Extra cap + extra speed = longer combat stamina (needed for fleet engagements) and can move between targets in a fleet faster. It does less damage than a mega (and neither of the bonuses are relevent for long-range combat), so mega will still be the king of long range and solo blaster setups (where the extra damage and tracking are more relevent, and the extra speed and cap isn't really needed). All you want is a solo ship... Let me get this str8... You want less cap use from the MWD, the ability to still fit the cap injector, the ability to put in a caldari racial ECM or one of the new ECCMs proposed by tomB? Give me a 8 launcher minmatar BS with 50% TP per level and then I will support your idiotic idea. Team Minmatar
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:10:00 - [107] Edited by: Laboratus on 08/07/2006 08:11:35 Well, depending on the region, and how much big wars are being fought there, a tier 2 BS costs from 90mill(under mineral cost) to 110(usual, expected and insurance payout) to 150 (overpriced) to a finaly 300M (the only one being sold in the 3 closest regions). If you look at the price proggressions, the price of the ship almost, with a little bit of variation to both sides(+-10%), doubles with every iteration. So the next logical price step is at around 200 to 300M. Edit: And for the the record, these are "advanced guesses" based on the excisting data commonly available.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:16:00 - [108] Originally by: Laboratus We, gallante, already have a blaster boat, and the vindi is a B boat with MWD bonus. What we don't have is an EW boat with a range bonus. As such I would love a 10% boni on both damp range and effectiveness. A damage bonus would be wasted on a EW ship anyways. While I, too, hope for a dampener boat, I must say that 10% effectiveness bonus might be a mite too good (although it would be nice to have some numbers to compare with, I might do that when I've found a good stacking penalty summary somewhere). At the same time, 10% range bonus increases optimal range from somewhere in the region of 30km to 45km, and the useful-below-this-range region from 80-90km to about 100km. All in all, a range bonus won't do much good - it is like giving optimal range bonus to blasters or ACs. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:20:00 - [109] Edited by: Laboratus on 08/07/2006 08:21:14 Edited by: Laboratus on 08/07/2006 08:20:55 Originally by: Ithildin At the same time, 10% range bonus increases optimal range from somewhere in the region of 30km to 45km, and the useful-below-this-range region from 80-90km to about 100km. All in all, a range bonus won't do much good - it is like giving optimal range bonus to blasters or ACs. Ah, true. How about a falloff bonus? Anyways, the damps suffer atm, imho, from having a very crappy range. If you could reach out and touch someone at the same ranges as with ECM in a scorp, to 200-250km, it would even things up a bit. Don't know how much boni you would need tbh. And I thought with max skills you get t1 damps to 113km or smth. Someone do the math, I'm too lazy. Edit: Spelling
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:26:00 - [110] I shouldn't say dampeners suffer from lack of range, I should rather say that it is what keeps them balanced and interesting. It is well possible to dampen any ship below 30km (assuming you've got a dampener efficiency bonus of at least 5% per ship skill level and rather high level). The problem is keeping there without getting too close or too far away. At the same time, at that range blasters don't really reach while railguns do poor damage. All in all, the low dampener range is what keeps it from being grossly overpowered like ECM is. I rather think Gallente would build a ship that could fight as well as EWar - albeit with reduced strength in both categories compared to more dedicated ships like Megathron and Scorpion. Additionally, short range EWar would set it apart from the Scorpion and cater to the Gallentean philosophy. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.07.08 08:42:00 - [111] Originally by: Ithildin I shouldn't say dampeners suffer from lack of range, I should rather say that it is what keeps them balanced and interesting. It is well possible to dampen any ship below 30km (assuming you've got a dampener efficiency bonus of at least 5% per ship skill level and rather high level). The problem is keeping there without getting too close or too far away. At the same time, at that range blasters don't really reach while railguns do poor damage. All in all, the low dampener range is what keeps it from being grossly overpowered like ECM is. As I see it, as the damps have most of their range in the falloff range, and as they don't stop you from locking, just modify your range, they would be the logical long range system, as they are near useless in close range. The fact that the gallanteans have a possibility of fitting either very long range, or point blank weapon systems and having a med range ew system just seems dumb to me tbh. Both RP and game balance wise. What is really broken about ECM is the fact that it works on all ranges, where other types of EW only work at mid range (damps don't do squat at short range and painters and tracking distruptors don't have range. And this, to me doesn't make sense. A TP, damps and TD should be the things that drop ships from long range combat, while ECM should be the only system that is effective at short range, now it's just ECM, EMC and ECM at all ranges.) Quote: I rather think Gallente would build a ship that could fight as well as EWar - albeit with reduced strength in both categories compared to more dedicated ships like Megathron and Scorpion. Additionally, short range EWar would set it apart from the Scorpion and cater to the Gallentean philosophy. The gallanteans already have several short range platforms. Domi (for your 2 to 3km needs) B-Trhon (if you happen to jump right next to the guy) Vindi (BT with MWD). What we don't have is a long range EW platform, gallantean style. oh, well. I suppose getting an EW platform is out of the question anyways. RP wise, the gallanteans rely on high tech and some degree of sophisticated equipment, but it really hasn't worked out that well in the end.
Coryn	Posted - 2006.07.08 09:41:00 - [112] Originally by: Gierling 8 Turrets and a damage bonus and no one ever uses the mega again, 20k powergrid and a drone bonus and no one ever uses the domi again. Falloff and MWD, only option... Good damage, good range, good useability. MWD Bonus? Fly a Vindicator and you'll have it now... I dont think they will give the new BS Bonuses the Named Variations of Tier1/2 now have. Look at the Command Ships, something like Warfare Bonus or else is coming up, if fleet battle is the direction they go. Sort of Support BS
Blighter	Posted - 2006.07.08 11:24:00 - [113] If it is Dampners, it has to be a boost to Dampner range, either optimal or falloff. And a big bonus, like 10% per level. Something to make the Dampner work Vs. those targets 200 KM away.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.07.08 11:40:00 - [114] Quote: Give me a 8 launcher minmatar BS with 50% TP per level and then I will support your idiotic idea. Why do you have to spit this nonsence,remember every time you, or anyboby else says that minamatar tier3 will be a #$%&/ missile spammer i kill a kitty.
Sandra Tseng	Posted - 2006.07.08 11:57:00 - [115] Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 08/07/2006 11:58:28 Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 08/07/2006 11:58:01 Originally by: Blighter If it is Dampners, it has to be a boost to Dampner range, either optimal or falloff. And a big bonus, like 10% per level. Something to make the Dampner work Vs. those targets 200 KM away. 5% per level is quite enough actually. With BS to lvl5 it gives you 25% bonus - then add the advanced RSD skill and you will have another 25% Then you can train two skills to increase the fallof by 25% and optimal by 25% Tier 3 BS are supposed to require good skills to pilot. Just as yu can not do very well in a Thorax with just basic skills and Gallente Cruiser lvl3 ;p again, I think 5% bonus to scan resolution and 5% bonus to RSD range and efectivness would be a good bonus. Many ships have two bonuses hidden in one but then they gain 5% bonus to the two areas instead of a 10% bonus to just one. [Edit: Did I forgot to say "bonus"?]
Taurgil	Posted - 2006.07.08 14:33:00 - [116] Requesting launcher hardpoints (not necessarily bonussed like a Raven), but no drone boni and a reasonable dronebay. Please no EW bonus crap, fleet and field cmd have this one already.
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.08 14:55:00 - [117] Originally by: Sunetra 10% Sensor damper Falloff per level and 5% sensor damper efectivness per level please. That would be awesome.
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:49:00 - [118] Originally by: Chi Prime Edited by: Chi Prime on 08/07/2006 15:31:05 Originally by: Sunetra 10% Sensor damper Falloff per level and 5% sensor damper efectivness per level please. That would be awesome. I notice this discussion is quite similar to one we had awhile back... (iirc Ithildin made a nice thread asking people to design their own tier three gallente). I am a strong advocate of 10% to dampener falloff (5% effectiveness would be nice aswell, but I'll be ok with a damage bonus). The reason for this is twofold. Firstly, I feel t2 ammo made fleet EW obsolete (ECM sucks at this range), so I want EW that works at this range. Fleet EW is what I enjoy (the fact that ECM is so effecive in 1v1 situations is something I consider a problem). Secondly, from a roleplaying perspective Gallente likes to fight up close. Therefore, being able to dampen at 225km forces opponents to come close, or retreat (i.e. it fits the Gallente warfare philosphy very well). (Naturally this ship would need adequate mid slots to be useful.) Does it bother you that those that will come closer will rip it a new one and those that cant will just leave?
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:37:00 - [119] Originally by: murder one A damp bonus would hardly ever get used except MAYBE for fleet combat. Do you even play this game? Damps are probably the most powerfull 1v1 tool in the game. A battleship that can mount enough turrets to do some reasonable dps and have enough mids to fit tackling + 3-4x damps would be the new 1v1 king. You damp the target down to 7-8k lock range then just sit outside of it, web them, scram them, nos them, kill them. I think a dampening ship would be very intresting however if they give it the ability to push 700 dps and give it 6-7 mids the ship is going to become the topic of coutnless whine threads for months to come. I'd personally like to see a 7-7-6 slot layout with 5 turrets and 2 launcher hardpoints. Hybrid damage bonuss and dampening bonuss would only make sense and maybee a 75m3 drone bay.
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:48:00 - [120] Originally by: Crellion Does it bother you that those that will come closer will rip it a new one and those that cant will just leave? Not at all , as I do not consider it a solo ship (i.e. I see it as a fleet support ship, much like the scorpion).
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.07.08 18:21:00 - [121] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 08/07/2006 18:22:14 If the Tier 3 gets an EW-related bonus as a secondary bonus that's ok, however I would not wish to see both its bonuses EW related. Why? Because the way I see it, EW of such effectiveness should be restricted to the dedicated EW cruisers and Recon derivatives, otherwise you undermine their role. I personally don't believe (for example)the Scorpion should have ever been made into an EW one trick pony, it is still a Railgun boat in the background afterall. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Kirtan Loor	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:56:00 - [122] Uhm what about a different drone ship? 6 Hi 7 med 6 low ....no turret or launcher slots %20 per level drone control range and ....drone control unit power reduction!! No drone damage or drone HP bonuses....high slots for drone control units so it wont be another NOS platform like dominix. Can also have Sensor Dampener bonus but not really necessary....think of it as CreoDron's new BS for fleet combat.
Endlos Null	Posted - 2006.07.08 22:11:00 - [123] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: murder one A damp bonus would hardly ever get used except MAYBE for fleet combat. Do you even play this game? Damps are probably the most powerfull 1v1 tool in the game. A battleship that can mount enough turrets to do some reasonable dps and have enough mids to fit tackling + 3-4x damps would be the new 1v1 king. You damp the target down to 7-8k lock range then just sit outside of it, web them, scram them, nos them, kill them. I think a dampening ship would be very intresting however if they give it the ability to push 700 dps and give it 6-7 mids the ship is going to become the topic of coutnless whine threads for months to come. I'd personally like to see a 7-7-6 slot layout with 5 turrets and 2 launcher hardpoints. Hybrid damage bonuss and dampening bonuss would only make sense and maybee a 75m3 drone bay. This better be sarcasm or a joke or I'll be ****ed.
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:46:00 - [124] Originally by: Coryn MWD Bonus? Fly a Vindicator and you'll have it now... I dont think they will give the new BS Bonuses the Named Variations of Tier1/2 now have. Why do people keep bringing up Vindicators? They are a faction BS that are available in extremely limited numbers and at extremely high prices. As for your second point, why the heck wont they? Vindicator isn't the only ship with a mwd bonus, thorax has it too, and all "navy" faction ships have the same bonuses as the ships they are based on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:49:00 - [125] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 09/07/2006 16:53:17 Originally by: Kaylana Syi All you want is a solo ship... Let me get this str8... You want less cap use from the MWD, the ability to still fit the cap injector, the ability to put in a caldari racial ECM or one of the new ECCMs proposed by tomB? Give me a 8 launcher minmatar BS with 50% TP per level and then I will support your idiotic idea. No, I would not use this solo, I would use a megathron solo because it does more damage and has significantly better tracking. I would use this in gangs and possibly fleets and yes it gets an extra mid, but also loses a low slot, reducing it's tanking abilities. Oh, and you can have your 8 launcher min BS, as long as it gets no dmg/rof bonus. As far as 50% TP per lvl, wtf is the relevence of that? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
L0kii	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:37:00 - [126] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Aha! My inside source revealed what the new Gallente battleship's bonuses will be! +10% to mining laser yield +5% to dating men hahaha that was awesome
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.21 15:15:00 - [127] Yes. I agree with several of the posters - a double damage bonus is the key to making the Hyperion and true blaster boat. Lets be honest - when is the last time you have fought a battle (other than the lameness that is fleet fights) at a distance further than 10k. They really just dont usually happen. So that makes the MWD bonus just silly imo (great for rax cause it has to be at 2000m, but a large T2 blaster can sting at 15k with the right ammo)
starship enginer	Posted - 2006.10.21 15:19:00 - [128] AB with bonous to make its speed = to a mwd im tired to those dam ravens in complexes :/ time to AB at 1500mps and gank them nubs
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.21 15:43:00 - [129] uhm.... forum necro anyone? =\| ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.

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