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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
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Posted - 2014.07.25 07:52:00 -
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Looks like there will be serious competition to our favourite game Eve Online.
Elite Dangerous is coming this year.
I remember an old Elite,Elite 2 and Frontier First Encounters which I was playing for years back in '90s.
Now finally new version is coming.
Some feedback from beta testers:
"Wesley Magyar
Ive been playing ED For awhile now. And it is sincerely the best damn game ive ever played.... and its not even close to complete.
Ive been an Eve Online player since 2006, Since ive gotten into the Beta for this i have logged into eve twice.... i have a feeling Eve Is Doomed... This game is the second coming.... i kid you not.n++"
and
"Matthew Downing
I've played EVE from when it was in Beta. I sold my main character about a month after I bought ED premium beta; I know there is no way I'm going back. Fair enough I got into Eve because it was like the new and MMO Elite I'd been craving for... But now I can get the game I really wanted in the first place!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISR4ebdGlOk see for yourselves.
In my opinion current biggest problem in Eve is lack of new content added to game for like last 3 years or so...
Of course DX11 and game mechanic changes are all nice, but its not the thing what will make me stay for much long, especially with new fresh and very good competitor on market.
I've been playing Eve since Apocrypha and I see that Eve is slowly going downhill all the time since then.
Back then we had online around 60-70k ppl on server at given timezone all the time, now it's not going higher than 35k ppl online.
Most of us run 2+ accounts, some even more than 10+ at same time so I'm guessing that real ammount of people playing Eve is not more than 10-12k people.
Elite has now over 25k ppl playing beta ( you can't multibox there ) - it speaks for itself. |
Dr Bluntman
Automata Labs
3
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Posted - 2014.07.25 07:57:00 -
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Cool story bro |
Victor Andall
667
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Posted - 2014.07.25 07:58:00 -
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How the hell is Elite competition for EVE?
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
546
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:02:00 -
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yeah we hear this every time a new space game is released.. and yet we are still here |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
21
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:04:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:yeah we hear this every time a new space game is released.. and yet we are still here
You here because of RMT :) |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
612
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:04:00 -
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Elite: Twitch based, limited multiplayer (max 32 in one place), focused on exploration and singleplayer experiences.
EVE: RTS based, unlimited multiplayer (for all intents and purposes), focused on trade and politics.
Very different games...
I do agree that EVE has been slipping, but that's because most of the activities that generate income are very hands-off. POS, PI, production, market - They don't require much input beyond a couple of minutes a day, with the occasional hour of hauling. Even sov warfare has become a hands-off activity where only occasional structure grinds are necessary.
CCP really needs to introduce more active activities to increase participation or retool current activities to be more active.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
77
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:05:00 -
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You guys aren't even trying anymore |
Serene Repose
1447
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:05:00 -
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Anybody noticed what a stupid name this is; Elite Dangerous. (It has all the ring someone in a trench in Kosovo would dream up.) I can imagine how really cool the game must be if the name is so really cool, too! And, gee, a YouTube link TOO? Wow!
I guess it's obvious from your mighty post EVE MUST be doomed!
I remember when it was doomed because of Skyrim...remember that? Then, it was doomed because of Rift...remember that? THEN, it was doomed because of Star Wars the OLD (something with an R). I certainly remember THAT! NOW it's doomed because of...what was that name again...Dangerous Elites...something. Anyway...cool. Doomed.
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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
297
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:06:00 -
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There was thread a while ago that analyzed when the "EVE is dying" crap began. Dude even made a cool graph with help from someone who kept records of these kinds of posts.
Based on that I can tell you the following: You are 10 years behind. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
1230
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:07:00 -
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I grew up on Elite, it was one of the first games I played that really got me into gaming and sci-fi. When i first came to Eve it was because i was trying to find a game that would remind me of those days playing Elite.
I'm beta testing ED, and I'm probably going to take a break from Eve when ED goes live. I'm sure other people will too...
But Eve doomed??? Nope!
Eve is a solid game, with a die hard fanbase and many many years of life left.
Fly Safe, whatever game universe you choose to play in!!!!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
36
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:09:00 -
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Damn... A game with both "Elite" AND " Dangerous" in its title.
Must be a great game!
Where can I sign up? |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
Triumvirate.
79
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:09:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:How the hell is Elite competition for EVE?
well you can only spend you game time once.
so mabe not in an sence of comparison. but spending gametime on something you normaly would spend on eve |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
546
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:10:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Anybody noticed what a stupid name this is; Elite Dangerous. (It has all the ring someone in a trench in Kosovo would dream up.) I can imagine how really cool the game must be if the name is so really cool, too! And, gee, a YouTube link TOO? Wow!
I guess it's obvious from your mighty post EVE MUST be doomed!
I remember when it was doomed because of Skyrim...remember that? Then, it was doomed because of Rift...remember that? THEN, it was doomed because of Star Wars the OLD (something with an R). I certainly remember THAT! NOW it's doomed because of...what was that name again...Dangerous Elites...something. Anyway...cool. Doomed.
dont forget x rebirth was going to kill EVE too, and some wow expansion was going to kill it (at least according a small group of trolls) and guild wars 2, and that mmo that came out during incarna.. forgot the name |
erg cz
Sliperer
94
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:12:00 -
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Posting in stealth "Help us make Elite more popular" thread.
New game content is added in EVE so hard, that players after few years break has to do tutorials again. Exploration changes in Odyssey, industry changes in Crius, mobile deployable etc... Eve is losing players count not because of the lack of new content, but because of almost zero advertising and the press on new players to start team PvP carrier instead of PvE. And according to numerous researches most newbees want to start with PvE.So they quit after their first payed month.
Elite is like a pockemon. I mean grafic and background. Eve is a real place. Cold and harsh, with dark and sad stories in behind. Sandbox, created by hundreds of thousands of players during several years. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6438
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:13:00 -
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Interesting how no one mentions that you have to PAY -ú100 to "participate" in the Beta
I wanted it to be good, but considering Braben's post original Elite track record, and the fact that his biggest hit since was Kinectimals, Im not about to mortgage my house for a beta of a game when crashing into asteroids is a regular occurrance, thanks.
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
Anoikis Ronin
14827
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:20:00 -
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Op in the correct forum you'll find there's already a long-standing Elite Dangerous vs EVE thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=307037&find=unread
Oh and another one here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=339682&find=unread
You'll find them nestled close by similar threads about Star Citizen and Event Horizon, around 3 pages deep.
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
63
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:27:00 -
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What happens when a new space game comes out is people play it for a bit...then you know...come back.
Why? Because EVE is not a game you can give up. Its like ******, you always have the urge....even people who have broken it still come and have a look and follow EVE. |
Ton'Ka Katsu
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:35:00 -
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omfg eve is dying? this IS news indeed!!! |
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:50:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:
dont forget x rebirth
I would prefer to, thanks. |
Delt0r Garsk
Sanctuary of Shadows
Honorable Third Party
144
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:53:00 -
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You know most people play more than one game. It is quite possible that game X Y and Z all do very well, and eve still won't die.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3195
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:53:00 -
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Shameless Schill, really, schoo.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
582
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:54:00 -
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1277
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:57:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Looks like there will be serious competition to our favourite game Eve Online. Elite Dangerous is coming this year. I remember an old Elite,Elite 2 and Frontier First Encounters which I was playing for years back in '90s. Now finally new version is coming. Some feedback from beta testers: "Wesley Magyar Ive been playing ED For awhile now. And it is sincerely the best damn game ive ever played.... and its not even close to complete. Ive been an Eve Online player since 2006, Since ive gotten into the Beta for this i have logged into eve twice.... i have a feeling Eve Is Doomed... This game is the second coming.... i kid you not.n++" and "Matthew Downing I've played EVE from when it was in Beta. I sold my main character about a month after I bought ED premium beta; I know there is no way I'm going back. Fair enough I got into Eve because it was like the new and MMO Elite I'd been craving for... But now I can get the game I really wanted in the first place!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISR4ebdGlOk see for yourselves. In my opinion current biggest problem in Eve is lack of new content added to game for like last 3 years or so... Of course DX11 and game mechanic changes are all nice, but its not the thing what will make me stay for much long, especially with new fresh and very good competitor on market. I've been playing Eve since Apocrypha and I see that Eve is slowly going downhill all the time since then. Back then we had online around 60-70k ppl on server at given timezone all the time, now it's not going higher than 35k ppl online. Most of us run 2+ accounts, some even more than 10+ at same time so I'm guessing that real ammount of people playing Eve is not more than 10-12k people. Elite has now over 25k ppl playing beta ( you can't multibox there ) - it speaks for itself.
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Haaranovor tenn
Trans Secunda
Nulli Secunda
11
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:58:00 -
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The only competition EVE has is itself.
You do have a point about content, but CCP unveiled capsuleer controlled stargates this year, so I expect they're going to open up new territories somewhere. They could also open up another WH galaxy easily. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4180
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:06:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Interesting how no one mentions that you have to PAY -ú100 to "participate" in the Beta
I wanted it to be good, but considering Braben's post original Elite track record, and the fact that his biggest hit since was Kinectimals, Im not about to mortgage my house for a beta of a game when crashing into asteroids is a regular occurrance, thanks.
Well, it could be worse. Star Citizen. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8155
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:08:00 -
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They're not even the same kind of game. EVE is basically a rougelike mashed with a social simulator. Not a great deal of similarities with Elite save for a sci fi setting.
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Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
31
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:14:00 -
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Eve Online is in a state of permanent near-death. By the time Elite: Dangerous will have lived out its happy, prosperous life and died like any other good game would, Eve will still be kickin' it in the same sick ward it's been in since 2003.
Eve Online: Always dying, never dead. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23308
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:40:00 -
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Yes, EVE is doomed, just like when StarCraft II was released, and for the exact same reasons.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Pleasure Syndicate
388
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:46:00 -
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I actually agree that EVE seems to be on decline, based on my personal multi-region market data.
I can't rule out that it could be other factors though such as ice changes that changed the purchase patterns.
But I can certainly tell that a few regions that used to be very busy a few years ago are probably 5-10x less busy now in terms of actual player presence. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1600
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:51:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:There was thread a while ago that analyzed when the "EVE is dying" crap began. Dude even made a cool graph with help from someone who kept records of these kinds of posts.
Based on that I can tell you the following: You are 10 years behind. Hey, thanks! Cool graph is in my sig, I'll update it with July figures next week if Chribba has time to pull the data for me.
I think that EVE's health is less reliant on new content than other MMOs, since the players themselves have so much impact in creating the content.
It's only natural for people to get bored, or have less time to play, after years and years of playing. So I hope CCP manages to maintain a steady flow of new players (like me  ).
EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
121
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:00:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Looks like there will be serious competition to our favourite game Eve Online. Elite Dangerous is coming this year. I remember an old Elite,Elite 2 and Frontier First Encounters which I was playing for years back in '90s. Now finally new version is coming. Some feedback from beta testers: "Wesley Magyar Ive been playing ED For awhile now. And it is sincerely the best damn game ive ever played.... and its not even close to complete. Ive been an Eve Online player since 2006, Since ive gotten into the Beta for this i have logged into eve twice.... i have a feeling Eve Is Doomed... This game is the second coming.... i kid you not.n++" and "Matthew Downing I've played EVE from when it was in Beta. I sold my main character about a month after I bought ED premium beta; I know there is no way I'm going back. Fair enough I got into Eve because it was like the new and MMO Elite I'd been craving for... But now I can get the game I really wanted in the first place!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISR4ebdGlOk see for yourselves. In my opinion current biggest problem in Eve is lack of new content added to game for like last 3 years or so... Of course DX11 and game mechanic changes are all nice, but its not the thing what will make me stay for much long, especially with new fresh and very good competitor on market. I've been playing Eve since Apocrypha and I see that Eve is slowly going downhill all the time since then. Back then we had online around 60-70k ppl on server at given timezone all the time, now it's not going higher than 35k ppl online. Most of us run 2+ accounts, some even more than 10+ at same time so I'm guessing that real ammount of people playing Eve is not more than 10-12k people. Elite has now over 25k ppl playing beta ( you can't multibox there ) - it speaks for itself.
EVE has needed some real competition for a long time now. |
Spurty
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
1368
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:09:00 -
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Omgosh - noobs the lot of you.
Elite has a ranking for players that goes something like : harmless, wanted, dangerous
The name sort of says "you'll play for a while" because you would have to I order to get that assignation
Is elite even multiplayer? It's remembered for its universe being vast but fitting in 8k because it's generated off of a seed. Change the seed and you get an entirely new world.
You find this sort of thing in minecraft.
Eve is completely the opposite. It's finite and we all have the same universe and experience the gates and planets in exactly the same order every day with the exception of wormholes that give us some randomness in where you connect.
EVe PDU number is in decline mostly because bottling is being detected a whole lot more intelligently
Fact it's summer and right now, many FCs will be on duality (with 20+ players for teams) testing out setups daily.
Remove FCs from TQ and thei hardcore pvpers and you will see not a lot going on
All of this lacks any mystery with the exception of the dooms bringers. Sure game could be healthier but it's not looking to "cash out" by gaining millions of temporary accounts. It's designed for the long haul and many of the power blocks you see today will be dead and replaced by new ones tomorrow. We have been through this many times although seems players want to bore us a bit with lack of new power blocks recently.
So it's not dying, it's just not growing out of control and players aren't as brave as they use to be. Content to do nothing and be nothing. Different problem.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
248
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:09:00 -
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Guys its Summer. People are outside, you know, enjoying the Sun and going to the beach and vacations and festivals and parties.
EVE always has better numbers when the weather is crap and it is dark by 5pm.
ED and SC are interesting games but CCP have taken note and are making Valkyrie.
Horses for courses.
Do not panic we will still be here long after other pretenders have come and gone.
I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
Skeln Thargensen
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
576
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:11:00 -
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i haven't played the beta that much because i don't want to spoil the release but it's quite a different experience to eve. much more immersive but far less detailed. it is the game that i started playing eve looking for but it isn't the game i found in eve.
No longer a drifting spacebum |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
765
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:18:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
I've been playing Eve since Apocrypha and I see that Eve is slowly going downhill all the time since then.
Back then we had online around 60-70k ppl on server at given timezone all the time, now it's not going higher than 35k ppl online.
Most of us run 2+ accounts, some even more than 10+ at same time so I'm guessing that real ammount of people playing Eve is not more than 10-12k people.
Elite has now over 25k ppl playing beta ( you can't multibox there ) - it speaks for itself.
So in 2009 there were 60-70k people online at all times?
If only there was some way that the number of users online could be viewed.
Oh, wait
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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:21:00 -
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Not only doomed, but cursed as well.
I have a voodoo doll here, near my desktop, I wrote EVE on her face and I abuse her over and over...
"-Die!!!!! In the eye now... die!!!! Lemme check (logging)... Yeahhhhhhhhhh, it's dying! Muahahahahahahahahahahaha..."
Game over, move on. Can I have your stuff? Please?
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Prince Kobol
1969
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:27:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
I've been playing Eve since Apocrypha and I see that Eve is slowly going downhill all the time since then.
Back then we had online around 60-70k ppl on server at given timezone all the time
I was kind off with you until this point.
There is nothing worse when people make massive overstatements to try and prove the point they are making. All it does is make you look you have no idea.
Apocrypha was released in 2009. The PCU record for 2009 was just over 45,000.. that is along way from your 60-70k pcu at any given time zone.
I mean Eve has only hit over 60k on a handful of occasions and this was due to massive advertising / player driven events / fanfest etc to break the PCU record.
Eve has never and will most likely never reach 70k. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
700
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:35:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Anybody noticed what a stupid name this is; Elite Dangerous.
You're probably not old enough to remember the original. There was a progression of your character's title. The last three were Dangerous, Deadly, Elite. I think you had to kill 1,000,000 NPCs or something stupid to get the Elite title. I only got as far as Deadly.
Anyway, that explains the name, then... 
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6444
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:47:00 -
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I still want me Fer-De-Lance though :(
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
242
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:50:00 -
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I've playing eve for 8 years now, and I'm in E:D's alpha since last year December.
And while yes, especially lately it has occupied a chunk of time that I'd usually have used for playing EVE, I don't think EVE is doomed.
First of all they are two very different games, both of them with their advantages and disadvantages. EVE is a strategical / tactical game, E:D is an action game. So one can not replace the other.
Also E:D is not going for a full "one universe" approach (there is an opt out incl. way back in through grouping and solo for people who don't want to play with others), so it won't create what I personally love about EVE most. A consistent and evolving universe where you are a part of what happens.
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
242
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:53:00 -
[41] - Quote
also comparing CCU vs subscribers/customers is a pretty useless comparison.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
105
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:54:00 -
[42] - Quote
The energy death of the universe is an accepted fact, so ultimately everything and everyone is doomed.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 10:56:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:I've playing eve for 8 years now, and I'm in E:D's alpha since last year December.
And while yes, especially lately it has occupied a chunk of time that I'd usually have used for playing EVE, I don't think EVE is doomed.
First of all they are two very different games, both of them with their advantages and disadvantages. EVE is a strategical / tactical game, E:D is an action game. So one can not replace the other.
Also E:D is not going for a full "one universe" approach (there is an opt out incl. way back in through grouping and solo for people who don't want to play with others), so it won't create what I personally love about EVE most. A consistent and evolving universe where you are a part of what happens.
That's the really funny part about these shills.
If they had made a sensible argument and compared Elite with, say, Star Citizen or X Rebirth, they'd have some semblance of a point. E:D will (at first glance) very clearly be the winner in that competition since X-R was dead on arrival; SC is proving itself yet another Roberts product every day; and E:D actually delivers.
If they had taken just a minute or two to actually research the game they're trying to shill against (and the one they're trying to shill for) they wouldn't instantly be caught lying like the OP has and their point would actually not be trivially dismissed as complete nonsense.
Instead, they just manage to spread the impression that E:D is in just as dire straits as its competitors, because if this is the kind of bottom-rung incompetent shills Braben has to rely on, he's screwedGǪ 
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Tryce Jaor
Outdated Host Productions
6
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:01:00 -
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Looked at the vid.. Not my cup of tea, I don't play eve for a Babylon 5/EVE/FPS mishmash thank you. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1376
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:09:00 -
[45] - Quote
EvE Online competition? Age of Wushu? Mortal Online? Perpetuum? Darkfall? All of this sandbox mmo-rpg's games (of dubious quality) are not set in space.
EvE Online doesn't have any competition.
The Tears Must Flow |
Prince Kobol
1969
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:09:00 -
[46] - Quote
The is no game will ever threaten the core player base that Eve has.
However what these other games can do is take away those players who do not get involved in the large scale fleet battles, that do not enjoy being ganked, that do not really enjoy the PvP side of Eve but are only here because there are no other MMO Space Sims.
They enjoy the manufacturing, the exploration side of things.
It has always been my argument that games like SC could have effect on the Eve as these kind of people could leave Eve and people who are looking for a space sim who will would otherwise come here will now go to games such as SC.
Of course there will people who will say great let them leave, we do not want people like there here, these kind of people I like to call idiots.
With every player who unsubs that is less income for CCP which means less money being available to be spent on Eve.
So whilst I believe there will never be a Eve Killer as such, each game of these games do have the potential to very slowly chip away at Eve player base and before you know it subs are down and the game as a whole suffers. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
546
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:38:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:CCP really needs to introduce more active activities to increase participation or retool current activities to be more active.
Well, we got insane industry taxes just recently. That's a start I mean who on this planet doesn't like a big, fat tax... It's fun 
o.0 |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1204
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:03:00 -
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Yup... Eve Online is doomed... not because of the game OP is going on about... but because of the upcoming Firefly game that is being developed! Eve is too far entrenched for some new upstart to really bugger with it too much. May lose a few subscribers because of a game, but not enough to hurt it.
The thing that can doom EVE is though is CCP themselves messing with the game so much that people find it disheartening, so they go seek something else. Or CCP not doing stuff to keep EVE exciting to the players. I think the only thing that can kill EVE is CCP themselves. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
566
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:12:00 -
[49] - Quote
EvE is dying again? Must be Friday. Man this week really flew by. 
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Prince Kobol
1970
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:13:00 -
[50] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Yup... Eve Online is doomed... not because of the game OP is going on about... but because of the upcoming Firefly game that is being developed! Eve is too far entrenched for some new upstart to really bugger with it too much. May lose a few subscribers because of a game, but not enough to hurt it.
A few subscribers here, a few subscribers there, not enough to do any real damage in the short term but when you add up all those lost subscribers over a long period of time it adds up and all of sudden your in dangerous territory.
The drip effect is the most dangerous as you don't see it coming until its too late. |
Arcelian
Metentis
79
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
EVE will never die. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1191
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
Everyone is doomed you just failed to realize that, yet.
Once the Great Old Ones awaken you can only hope your soul is the first one to be devoured so you won't have to witness the horrors they inflict upon mankind.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
215
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:23:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Anybody noticed what a stupid name this is; Elite Dangerous. (It has all the ring someone in a trench in Kosovo would dream up.) I can imagine how really cool the game must be if the name is so really cool, too! And, gee, a YouTube link TOO? Wow!
I guess it's obvious from your mighty post EVE MUST be doomed!
I remember when it was doomed because of Skyrim...remember that? Then, it was doomed because of Rift...remember that? THEN, it was doomed because of Star Wars the OLD (something with an R). I certainly remember THAT! NOW it's doomed because of...what was that name again...Dangerous Elites...something. Anyway...cool. Doomed.
You stop sassing Elite right now! Besides, if you'd knew your Eve-history, you would know those Icelandic crazies got inspired by the original Elite, too. So in a way, Eve Online and Elite: Dangerous, are both siblings from the same branch of the family.
But to be honest, Eve Online is doomed like everything is. We will die, there is now way around it. Even Eve Online will come to an end someday. In the end, even matter itself will disintegrate. So enjoy the few billion years we have, they will be gone soon. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
63
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Elite Dangerous players need to come up with another acronym to use. Every time I see "ED", I think "Erectile Dysfunction?" or "THE FAMOUS MR. ED!", or Ed, Edd, and Eddie!
Anyway, I agree with Prince Kobol and ILB. I think that EvE could be hurt by ED but it won't kill EvE. CCP are really the only ones that can do that, and even then they'd have to try pretty hard.
As a parallel, look at Ultima Online. How many direct competitors have been released since that game started? It's still going, and people are still paying subscriptions and playing afaik. EQ1, EQ2, SWG, WOW, just to name a few. EvE will be the same way.
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Hiply Rustic
A Private Space Venture
80
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Well, yes.
Because...thermogoddamics and entropy.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
"Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."
EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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LordSwift
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
39
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:03:00 -
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EVE is a mistress u can never leave.she always drags you back into new eden kicking and screaming. So EVE is never going to die unless CCP make some really bad choices.
The only issue i have these days is finding the time and energy to play, i have had many a month just doing skills and playing other games. i blame lack of will power and damn steam sales.
I think the only issue i find with EVE and CCP is the fact they want to make eve the totally inclusive SCI FI MMORPG. I.E Walking on stations/planets/exploration/stargates/comets. But they are struggling to actually make that happen or the lead time is so long it usually gets canned or put off for later. or the player base rage quits and has a tantrum and they change their focus.
Or they just make seperate games for these things. Kinda not the all inclusive SCI Fi MMO but never mind
Their is a genuine risk i think of the playerbase shrinking because look at what you are able to do in star citizen/elite/firefly online. Land on planets, walk in stations/ships & more. It all depends on the player if they prefer clicking in space and pressing f1/2/3/4 to fight or dog fighting/exploring with a joystick. I love eve + the X-series, so i enjoy both game styles.
Lost my point but still i don't see eve dying but just struggling to keep up.
Mal: "If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em. "
Zoe: "Shoot 'em?"
Mal: "Politely." |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3196
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:10:00 -
[57] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:
EVE has needed some real competition for a long time now.
That will still be true when/if they come to a full release.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
776
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:49:00 -
[58] - Quote
LordSwift wrote:EVE is a mistress u can never leave.she always drags you back into new eden kicking and screaming. So EVE is never going to die unless CCP make some really bad choices.
The only issue i have these days is finding the time and energy to play, i have had many a month just doing skills and playing other games. i blame lack of will power and damn steam sales.
I think the only issue i find with EVE and CCP is the fact they want to make eve the totally inclusive SCI FI MMORPG. I.E Walking on stations/planets/exploration/stargates/comets. But they are struggling to actually make that happen or the lead time is so long it usually gets canned or put off for later. or the player base rage quits and has a tantrum and they change their focus.
Or they just make seperate games for these things. Kinda not the all inclusive SCI Fi MMO but never mind
Their is a genuine risk i think of the playerbase shrinking because look at what you are able to do in star citizen/elite/firefly online. Land on planets, walk/fight in stations/ships & more. It all depends on the player if they prefer clicking in space and pressing f1/2/3/4 to fight or dog fighting/exploring with a joystick. I love eve + the X-series, so i enjoy both game styles.
Lost my point but still i don't see eve dying but just struggling to keep up.
Two replies, first to you:
CCP always wanted an imersivie vast sci-fi game. They had huge plans, but got sidetracked by a good rule in business, never keep your eggs in one basket. CCP took money out of eve and put it into WoD. Then they got it in their heads that if they added lots of microtransactions, and made eve more P2W they would get more money! but the player base smacked them in the head and reminded them we are here. CCP then shifted gears and started fixing eve... but then they still wanted eggs in othe baskets, so again shifted money to WoD, and got another brilliant idea to expand eve, but did it wrong. They spent money on Dust, and it never reached its potential, for whatever reason. CCP has again changed course, and might be realizing that's its greatest strength at this time, is the EVE IP on pc. What I am fairly sure is going to happen, Valk, Legion will launch with very little eve interaction, but this will give ccp a money boost to finish 'fixing eve' and hopefully unifiy it all together, with the 4th game (yes I know, speculation based on ccp presents, sue me) but we will see.
To the OP: Elite and SC, like everyother game before it that was going to kill eve, will do one of two things:
1) either drain some subs for a while, till players get bored of the new shiney and come back home to eve. (sometimes it takea a while, but eventually everyone who leaves eves checks on it and comes back)
or
2) Flops.
No one game will kill eve. Some will drain subs, but people will return after the new game gets tired, or they get bored, or ccp launches something that gets them excited. It happens all the time. But I will say this, competition is good. Even one that might flop, hype might light a fire under CCP's ass, and they might finally get eve to where they always wanted it, one of the greatest games ever made. Or they could **** it up and we will all crash and burn. *shrugs*
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Perkins Industry
56
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:18:00 -
[59] - Quote
I don't think there's a chance most players are going to drop their years of character progression and whatever else they acquired over the years just like that. Most will perhaps play ED and other new space sim games alongside EVE more then likely however. |
Skeln Thargensen
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
579
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:22:00 -
[60] - Quote
LordSwift wrote:Their is a genuine risk i think of the playerbase shrinking because look at what you are able to do in star citizen/elite/firefly online. Land on planets, walk/fight in stations/ships & more. It all depends on the player if they prefer clicking in space and pressing f1/2/3/4 to fight or dog fighting/exploring with a joystick. I love eve + the X-series, so i enjoy both game styles.
to achieve that these games (elite and SC at least) use instancing so if a hundred players dock at the same station or warp to the same location they don't see a hundred players like in eve. they're all off on parallel grids unable to interact. that's fundamentally the difference between eve and these other space games. eve may struggle with large fleet warfare sometimes but it is at least possible to do that and all the complex social interaction you get in a single instanced, high latency game. i doubt elite will manage any social grouping more upscale than clans but then they're perfectly suited to that kind of game.
No longer a drifting spacebum |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
558
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
When I was in the world of tanks beta I almost never logged into eve for a few weeks. then they did a wipe and split the servers into a NA and EU zone, and well after that I never logged in again. I live in NA and nearly everyone I played eve with were EU so any game that does a split like that, I have an issue with that. With Rift at least all I had to do was hit a button to swap sides, although my characters were all stuck in the EU servers.
I've heard mentions of ED and that kickstarter game with 40mil+ in backing (heh I can't even remember its name) but they all seem so carebearish... That kinda thing is fun for a while sure, but I'm not sure how long it lasts.
You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3972
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:49:00 -
[62] - Quote
Mithandra wrote:The energy death of the universe is an accepted fact, so ultimately everything and everyone is doomed.
This can be reversed, of course.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
778
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:54:00 -
[63] - Quote
Off topic for a second...
hey sibyyl, I like your new avatar pic. Carry on
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
LyleLanley
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:16:00 -
[64] - Quote
Eve is already dead. It was drawn and quartered by the release of Goat Simulator. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
On a scale from 1 to 10 I give this game a flush down the crapper. Oddly reminiscent of an old fps space game called Tachyon: the fringe. Still, OP is comparing apples to cabbage. |
Sato Page
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:24:00 -
[66] - Quote
Yes let's admit it, deep in our heart we all want to see EvE online implode in a spectacular way.
Dinsdale Pirannha for CEO of CCP |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
41
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:35:00 -
[67] - Quote
can't find their system requirements.
I'm a mac user, and i won't run that Windows Virus on my computer that i paid extra special moneys for, b/c i think it looks super sexy and slimming :D
if i leave EVE for anything. . .
it will be for Starbound
playstarbound.com
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3281
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:41:00 -
[68] - Quote
Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
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