The only way to make something too complicated for a bot to perform is to make it painstakingly tedious, boring, and painful for a person to do.

.01 ISKing is not tedious. What is tedious and outright straining my patience, however, are stupid people who undercut market prices by hundreds of thousands or millions of ISK.

^this.

Lotsa times it's like "hey stupid -- just because your calcs show you getting x% profit at [price] doesn't mean that you should undercut the market by 20m ISK because your spreadsheet told you to sell at that price. TAKE THE FREE EXTRA 20M ISK PROFIT!!!"

A lot of times, people undercut by 20m because they don't want to play the stupid .01 ISK game and just want to sell their stuff, even if they don't make as much as they could.

Meanwhile, CAPTCHA in EVE doesn't deserve a response.

I would rather have a webcam to play eve as a requirement, and that CCP would see me playing Eve in all my glory.

If they want to do that, they should sell to Buy Orders; that's why they exist (among other things).

There is a huge diffrence between selling for les profit and selling with loss. Sure some people undercut and sell with loss but nothing can ready help that kind of people.

Normaly i just undercut to get rid of it and still make decent isk compared to buy orders, why should i be forced to play the 0.1 isk game when i can just undercut it by 1m and still make alot more than buy orders?

Not true. That's the whole point of CAPTCHAs. They're supposed to be tedious/difficult to circumvent with a bot, but easy for a human. I don't see how doing a CAPTCHA every say 15 min for market access is tedious. There are way more "tedious" things in the market UI right now.

The way I see it, a bot 0.1 ISKing all your market orders and having to manually compete with that is *way* more tedious than the very minor captcha inconvenience.

If market bots are allowed though than that's a completely different story.

.01 ISKing is not tedious. What is tedious and outright straining my patience, however, are stupid people who undercut market prices by hundreds of thousands or millions of ISK.

-1 to Captchas. Get better at bot detection yourself and report them.

The recent bug with the market got me thinking about market bots.

Specifically, if the goal is to discourage market bots, would periodic market CAPTCHAs be a good way to do that?

I'm assuming market bots are something CCP wants to discourage. I don't know if this is the case though.

Because you undercut by 1M and the .01 ISKers follow suit.

Just want to say that I don't think the average eve player should have to do this. But if you're clearly market trading many items or have questionable bot behavior, then that's different. And one tiny little captcha every now and then really is a pretty negligible thing.If you're that lazy then why are you market trading to begin with.

That said, this all depends on how prevalent market botting is and what the stance on that is. I find it hard to believe that a manual market trader wouldn't want a captcha every now and then if it meant less bots to compete with.

Just want to say that I don't think the average eve player should have to do this. But if you're clearly market trading many items or have questionable bot behavior, then that's different. And one tiny little captcha every now and then really is a pretty negligible thing.If you're that lazy then why are you market trading to begin with.

That said, this all depends on how prevalent market botting is and what the stance on that is. I find it hard to believe that a manual market trader wouldn't want a captcha every now and then if it meant less bots to compete with.

You do realise that this would actively encourage botting, right?

Bots are better at captchas than people. Especially people with poor eyesight. or crap screens.

This would make the market worse.

how many times do I get to get it right? And how often is this? to combat "bots" as you say it would have to be fairly often to hope they mess it up. I don't market trade often but when I do bring a freighter with lots of random loots, I 0.01 isk ***** them all till they are gone the more I 0.01 isk them the faster they sell.

captcha's on things like this will have me looking for a way around it.

Not true. That's the whole point of CAPTCHAs. They're supposed to be tedious/difficult to circumvent with a bot, but easy for a human. I don't see how doing a CAPTCHA every say 15 min for market access is tedious. There are way more "tedious" things in the market UI right now.

The way I see it, a bot 0.1 ISKing all your market orders and having to manually compete with that is *way* more tedious than the very minor captcha inconvenience.

If market bots are allowed though than that's a completely different story.

Not true. You have to tune the bot to the specific CAPTCHA used and that is not trivial. This also all depends on the specific CAPTCHA used anyway - just dont use a bad one. I don't see how you can make such a blanket statement.

Not true. You have to tune the bot to the specific CAPTCHA used and that is not trivial. This also all depends on the specific CAPTCHA used anyway - just dont use a bad one. I don't see how you can make such a blanket statement.

If they want to do that, they should sell to Buy Orders; that's why they exist (among other things).