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Odithia
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Posted - 2014.07.29 17:02:00 -
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I don't like those proposed changes.
Ishtar will still be the king of the HAC and everything (this ship can apply more damage than an Apocalypse at all but the most extreme of range).
10m/s to the Eagle won't change a thing.
I don't know what to think about the Munnin rebalance, it might make it relavent but I'm not sure, it seem too little a buff.
I wouldn't say that the BS are perfectly ballanced, the Tempest is terrible.
I have a mixed opinions about the Rokh, the fact that a shield tanked Hyperion is often better seems odd. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:23:00 -
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Kalicondoin wrote:Rek Seven wrote: Have you considered changing sentries so that they keep up with and orbit the ship that deploys them? I really like this idea +1 from me. The movement of the fleet / ship / drone will nerf the tracking and lower its applied DPS. Would also force the fleets to fight face to face rather than drop and run. I think it works. Can anyone poke holes in this?
I've got an even better idea, let's stick the sentry to the hull of ship that launch them. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:19:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Bandwidth of Ishtar and vexor navy to 100
Just this would be enough.
Both ships would remain competitive with the other HAC and Navy Cruisers.
And bump the Prophecy to 100mbs to match the Myrmidon.
Battlecruiser level of damage for a Navy Cruiser or HAC is good enough. |
Odithia
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:13:00 -
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Meandering Milieu wrote:
That is the entire flavor of Amarr vs Gal in drones. Amarr get less bandwidth and more drone bay space, where gal get more bandwidth and less drone bay space.
You may as well say that Prophecy needs to drop the resist bonus and get armor rep, or myrm drop armor rep and get resists.
Cookie-cutterism is bad m'kay.
Amarr get less drones brandwich but get EWAR bonus, except the Prophecy.
The Ishtar is Gallente, can launch has many drone as a Dominix and more than an Armageddon and and has the same drone bay than the Armageddon
Resist bonus is comparable to active tank bonus, one being for fleet, the other for solo and small gang.
The Prophecy was used in fleet due to it's resist bonus but now people have figured that's it's better to go full gank with Ishtar, with the smaller sig radius and better speed, you don't even lose that much tanking ability. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 20:56:00 -
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Meandering Milieu wrote:
And what are you talking about when you say the Armageddon cannot field as many drones as an ishtar? It has 125 bandwidth. It has to, because for a battleship that would be crippling. In exchange, it has the same bay as the domi. The difference between them is domi gets tracking/optimal bonuses and Geddon gets neuts.
If anything, I'd suggest removing the resist bonus and giving them the neut bonus that other Amarr drone ships get.
Sorry for the confusion, I meant to write that the Ishtar did as much damage as a Dominix (due to application/projection bonus) and more than an Armageddon then messed up changing the beginin of the sentance to "launch drone".
Deimos should be compared to Brutix not Talos. I think the Brutix has good chances.
Same for Zealot and Harbringer.
Vagabond and Hurricane.
Eagle and Ferox.
Cerberus and Drake.
Ishtar and Myrmidon, nope.
Funny how every ship that uses drones as its main weapons is either useless or completely overpowered patch after patch. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:37:00 -
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Because I like graphs and because I think the eagle need more love.
Here is a dps comparison of both ships with similar equipment.
http://imgur.com/0domEE7
Note that the Eagle is significantly tankier than the Ishtar, lets say a bit less than 20% more EHP on a typical buffer fit, this can be considered balanced with the Ishtar increased damage.
At further range, when the ishtar swap drones and the eagle swap ammo, the difference is much more in favor of the Ishtar.
http://imgur.com/OLV3XSB
Some will argue that due to destructible weapons, and thinier tank this is perfectly balanced.
To those I say look at the Ishtar used drones on both pictures. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:30:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:
nono, go and find out how much those unbonused, non tracking/range modded 425s are really going to add in any meaningful way. And of course taking into account you're using several of your high slots for drone related stuff like a link or two. Once you figured that out do tell us.
As much as a unbonussed 250mm Railgun, I'm not even jocking.
~evebalance~ |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.03 20:23:00 -
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Phaade wrote:[quote=Higgs Maken][quote=Rowells]
Give me one legitimate argument for how the ishtar is balanced; so far not one has been stated in 46 pages.
Something something, destructible weapon system.
Also I spent the last six month training for it, therefore I have earned my pocket battleship and it is totally balanced. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 07:45:00 -
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Janice en Marland wrote:
It is not only about DPS. The Eagle has a much more formidable tank while being able to apply damage at a much further range.
At the range where the Eagle may be able to outdamage the Ishtar, it does such pathetic damage that it is completely useless anyway.
By the way the Ishtar does almost twice as much dps than the eagle at 150km.
The only used "long range" medium railgun ship is the Tengu and that's because it is faster and has twice as much EHP than the Eagle. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 10:00:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Higgs Maken wrote:[quote=Rowells]
According to EFT Ishtar with grades and 5 DDA II gives 766 dps, Cerberus with 4 BCS II have 738 DPS (before over heat). You do realized why rise reduce Ishtar max velocity right? Because that's part of balance package, just like tank. A Ishtar shield fit is usually with shield power relay at low, now subsitude that for DDAS tank is reduce, which is part of balance. Sentries doesn't have problems hitting like HAM right? You mention that for HAM but not sentry. Lets cherry pick. At what range? with what damage application capabilities, with waht PG usage, with how much charges before reload? On all those topics the ishtar far outperforms the cerberus.
Probably Rage HAM with a ~35km range and such application that it will result in 250-300 kinetic dps versus an afterburning cruiser.
Right into the Isthar Highest resist. |
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Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:09:00 -
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Knoppaz wrote:
..or the Sacrilege. This ship isn't that bad. It has two main problems:
1. It feels sluggish. Even with MWD it feels like using an AB. An agility-push would be nice, CCP.
2. It's missing a low. That utility high is nice, but a low instead would be far more useful (e.g. for a BCU, IS or EANM) Just leave the meds alone.
..or.. your turn ;)
I kinda like the Sacrilege slot layout, it gives the ship a niche that few other have with lot of utilitty, a hi slot, a bunch of mids and a decent drone bay.
I do agree that it feel way too sluggish, especialy if you fit a plate, I think it could use the "heavy mass and boost base speed" new gen Amarr rebalance.
Wouldn't hurt the Zealot too.
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Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.21 16:07:00 -
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I figure the ishtar isn't bling enough and don't field enough EHP for your hi-sec "merc" fellas.
As for your other targets, I guess the likes of Eve Uni don't have the Skillpoints and/or Isk to fly these on a regular basis. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.04 16:30:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:i also think the Abbadon needs some work..
- increase damage bonus too 10% and remove a turret .. space for a Nos or a repper would be nice
- reduce sig radius a little
- increase mass, while buffing speed and agility - the new amarr theme that seemed too stop after one patch weirdly
- improve cap regen
The Abaddon is meant to be the primary armor ship of the line but it's rarely used and could indeed use some love. |
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