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Keri Sable
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Posted - 2006.07.08 18:59:00 -
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Are they able to fit cov ops cloak and work like cov ops ships?
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.07.08 19:01:00 -
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yes.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.07.08 19:04:00 -
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Half of them are. The half with a cloak CPU reduction bonus. The other half are HAC-wannabes.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.07.08 19:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Ithildin
Half of them are. The half with a cloak CPU reduction bonus. The other half are HAC-wannabes.
More like HAC killers. They're ECM HAC's, and if used right, are more effective in general PVP.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.07.08 19:57:00 -
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Rook, curse and lacharis sure ... they get the ewar thats worth using.
Would love to see a huginn > anything else tbh thread...
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Will Hunter
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Posted - 2006.07.08 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Rook, curse and lacharis sure ... they get the ewar thats worth using.
In combienation with the other 3 it could be deadly - think vagabonds 30km away - huggin puts triple webby's on, lachlesis warp scrambles, rook target jams and curse drains the cap to prevent any power for tanking  Add a friendly hac to that list and you have the abillity to kill solo hacs easy..
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.08 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Half of them are. The half with a cloak CPU reduction bonus. The other half are HAC-wannabes.
not quite, 3 are EW ships, one is a HAC wannabe. It happens to be better than most of the HACs 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.08 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Will Hunter
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Rook, curse and lacharis sure ... they get the ewar thats worth using.
In combienation with the other 3 it could be deadly - think vagabonds 30km away - huggin puts triple webby's on, lachlesis warp scrambles, rook target jams and curse drains the cap to prevent any power for tanking Add a friendly hac to that list and you have the abillity to kill solo hacs easy..
Yeah, 4v1!
Balance 4tw!
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Vathar
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Posted - 2006.07.08 23:05:00 -
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now, what would be interesting would be 4 FR vs 4 HAS ...
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Hydrogen
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Posted - 2006.07.09 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
now, what would be interesting would be 4 FR vs 4 HAS ...
Not interesting at all. The result on skilled pilots is obvious. The only thing that interests me is, if the HAC gang could kill even one FR. But then again ECM is so random, that they could sometimes and sometimes not.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.07.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
now, what would be interesting would be 4 FR vs 4 HAS ...
Assuming its Lachesis, Rook, Curse and Huggin vs Deimos, Cerb, Vaga and Zealot the Lachesis would dampen the cerb, the curse would nosf and target disrupt the zealot and nosf it, the Huggin would keep the Vaga tripple webbed well out of optimal range and the rook would jam the deimos and Zealot.
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2006.07.09 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Vathar
now, what would be interesting would be 4 FR vs 4 HAS ...
Assuming its Lachesis, Rook, Curse and Huggin vs Deimos, Cerb, Vaga and Zealot the Lachesis would dampen the cerb, the curse would nosf and target disrupt the zealot and nosf it, the Huggin would keep the Vaga tripple webbed well out of optimal range and the rook would jam the deimos and Zealot.
Seems overly complicated.
Rook would jam all 4. Lachesis would warp disrupt all 4 and use 3 remaining slots as Hypnos slots and jam 3 of them. Huggin would webber all 4 so nobody runs away and use 2 remaining slots as Hypnos slots and jam 2 of them. Curse would say cloaked... cos' it really want to be a Pilgrim.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.09 18:59:00 -
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Curse would just suck the one you concentrate your dps on dry so you do not need to waste too much time on it's tank. But, yes, that seems about it. No real need to ecm and tracking disrupt the same ship, for example.
No reall proof that recons are too powerful, though, but rather that ECM really needs a nerf. It's about time.
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Shindalin
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Posted - 2006.07.09 20:55:00 -
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Well lets trough in a ishtar instead of say a Deimos or Zealot and the outcome isnt so ceaurtain now is it ?
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2006.07.09 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shindalin
Well lets trough in a ishtar instead of say a Deimos or Zealot and the outcome isnt so ceaurtain now is it ?
Why not. Everyone concentrate their fire on the ishtar and when it goes pop what happens to the 5 drones it spat out?
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Shindalin
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Posted - 2006.07.09 21:28:00 -
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Why not. Everyone concentrate their fire on the ishtar and when it goes pop what happens to the 5 drones it spat out?
A EW fitted Ishtar (wich most are) could jam or dampen a few or at least one of the recons couldnt it ?
By doing that u "realese" one of ur hac¦s to deal massive damage to one recon and probably pop it and now the tables have turned.
I know this is all speculation but I truly think it could be done. I might be totally wrong here but it¦s a possibility or ?
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.09 21:50:00 -
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Depends who targets who first. Considering we have 4 ships with free slots for ECM vs 1 ship with free slots for ECM if the ishtar manages to target one ship first (better: if it manages to target the rook first since that one will have about 60% of the groups total jamming strength) it might to disable most of the jamming.
For 20 seconds. Because by then the Ishtar WILL be jammed by the other 3 ships. If the other HACs will be able to kill one recon by then is questionable (especially considering the combat typically does not start within optimal range and the huggin will still web them).
Anyway: Yes, chance will be better with an ishtar. But still not really favourable to the HACs.
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Vathar
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Posted - 2006.07.10 06:33:00 -
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Last point, against FR, a standard heavy hitter approach probably wouldn't work, but tactics and the like might. eagle warping as far as possible with ECCM fitted might help here, let's say 2 long range HACS with ECCM backup (eagle and muninn) with 2 heavily tanked closerangers (sac/ishtar) to keep the others busy.
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Twarby
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Posted - 2006.07.10 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Will Hunter
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Rook, curse and lacharis sure ... they get the ewar thats worth using.
In combienation with the other 3 it could be deadly - think vagabonds 30km away - huggin puts triple webby's on, lachlesis warp scrambles, rook target jams and curse drains the cap to prevent any power for tanking Add a friendly hac to that list and you have the abillity to kill solo hacs easy..
Or you could get 5 Quake Tempests and 1 shot it =)
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Keri Sable
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Posted - 2006.07.10 09:06:00 -
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ok i think i get the picture about the cloaking 
thx!
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Will Hunter
In combienation with the other 3 it could be deadly - think vagabonds 30km away - huggin puts triple webby's on, lachlesis warp scrambles, rook target jams and curse drains the cap to prevent any power for tanking Add a friendly hac to that list and you have the abillity to kill solo hacs easy..
Hahahahhahahahah wtf?
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Shindalin
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:45:00 -
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To OP: Pilgrim (Ammar) Falcon (Caldari) Arazu (Gallante) and Rapier (Minmatar) are the ones that can use cov op cloacking device.
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