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Elmo McMo	Posted - 2006.07.16 05:40:00 - [271] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Why does it need nerfing? It is more profitable and reliable than 0.0 ratting, without any of the risk. mimimimimimimi
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:01:00 - [272] Originally by: Elmo McMo Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Why does it need nerfing? It is more profitable and reliable than 0.0 ratting, without any of the risk. mimimimimimimi
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:01:00 - [273] Originally by: Amiren yes definitly nerved... they can still be normal ones or shadow/dread on the scanner, but if you click on info they are also normal ones with low bounty.. looks like a hot fix ;) You do know it was always possible to get the deadspace NPC types as commanders on both? Happened to me on wednesday as well. Could well be bad luck. Of course, it could fixed Just FYI, Shadow/Dread does not mean it will be a high loot NPC. There are plenty of shadow core and dread pith, which aren't special at all. Its only Shadow Serpentis and Dread Guristas that matter.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:28:00 - [274] So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:29:00 - [275] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 08:32:15 Originally by: Locke DieDrake So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. And the people who have farmed it for months and months without saying anything, they are better? You do know that the mission was already nerfed on the development server when hippo made this post, dont you? It wont be available in high sec, and its not HK's fault.. the devs already knew about this a long time ago. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:33:00 - [276] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 08:32:15 Originally by: Locke DieDrake So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. It's not his fault he spent days farming the mission? I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of the word. And the people who have farmed it for months and months without saying anything, they are better? You do know that the mission was already nerfed on the development server when hippo made this post, dont you? It wont be available in high sec, and its not HK's fault.. the devs already knew about this a long time ago. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:43:00 - [277] Originally by: Locke DieDrake So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. It wasn't days, it was about 18hours (most of which I was asleep in) between when I discovered the farmableness and reported it (I had to be sure on my facts before posting this). As for exploiting, this is no exploit. Everything it does it part of the game mechanics, and intended (or at least detailedin the mission description, meaning its intended). I am asking for a nerf: balance of something imbalanced. Following your logic, everyone who used missiles pre-coldwar should be banned for exploiting to.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 08:52:00 - [278] Originally by: Locke DieDrake It is not Hippo's fault he spent hours/days farming the mission in a way he clearly thinks is an exploit? I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word fault. Also, the other players that have done the same thing deserve the same fate, assuming you can prove that they knew what they were doing confered an unfair advantage. It's clear from hippo's posts that he feals he got an unfair advantage, and yet he did it anyway. That is the key differance, and the definition of an exploit. I meant its not HK's fault this mission exists. He would be a fool not to take advantage of it now that its possible to get rich fast farming it if you have the skills and the gear needed. Its definently NOT an exploit to farm a mission. Thats the worse thing ive ever heard. Are you really serious? I dont want this to become a flame fest anymore than it is, but do you really understand what you are saying here? Basicly you feel that if a player finds a really good mission, he should stop farming it because he should realize its not meant to be that good. Thats insane. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:03:00 - [279] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 09:03:02 Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:04:00 - [280] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Locke DieDrake It is not Hippo's fault he spent hours/days farming the mission in a way he clearly thinks is an exploit? I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word fault. Also, the other players that have done the same thing deserve the same fate, assuming you can prove that they knew what they were doing confered an unfair advantage. It's clear from hippo's posts that he feals he got an unfair advantage, and yet he did it anyway. That is the key differance, and the definition of an exploit. If I found an asteroid that gave me double yield on my lasers, should I a) spend 18 hours mining that asteroid to be sure. Or B) notice the issue and report it. Avoiding that asteroid in the mean time. What you have hippo have said is that you think it's perfectly ok to exploit the mission for your own gains and then demand a nerf on the forums so that other people can't do the same. I'm pretty sure I think thats cheating. Yep, cheating. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:07:00 - [281] You are picking a crazy example to make your argument hold. It doesnt. If you found a single asteroid that gave you double yield, its obvious its not working as intended. Its not the same AT ALL as doing a mission and finding out that the npc's are respawning so you can make lots of iskies. The respawn is obviously meant to happen while the asteroid giving double yield is not. You know you are wrong about this... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:08:00 - [282] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? 4.8 Its a hypnos, but if you'd seen how effective it was, you'd agree with the "of doom" I have a kaikka one kicking around, but it uses too much cap/CPU really.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:08:00 - [283] Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 16/07/2006 09:08:46 Originally by: HippoKing Edited by: HippoKing on 16/07/2006 08:46:58 Originally by: Locke DieDrake So let me get this straight. You farm a mission in a way it was never ment to be farmed. You make millions doing it. And then, after you've made millions, and monopolized that mission for days you come on the forum and say it needs a nerf. You should be banned for exploiting. It wasn't days, it was about 18hours (most of which I was asleep in) between when I discovered the farmableness and reported it (I had to be sure on my facts before posting this). As for exploiting, this is no exploit. Everything it does it part of the game mechanics, and intended (or at least detailedin the mission description, meaning its intended). I am asking for a nerf: balance of something imbalanced. Following your logic, everyone who used missiles pre-coldwar should be banned for exploiting too. edit: another example. Run on over to ships+mods, where I have been trying to get the requirments for t2 missiles and the ECM system balanced. I can now use t2 cruise, despite not having standard spec IV, and a couple of my setups carry the multispec of doom. Should I be banned for those too? You can't compair using a perfectly normal thing like missles with holding a mission open for 18 hours while you make endless money on it. It's simply not the same thing at all. And I really don't care what your opinion of game balance is. Since you clearly believe that you are entitled to use imbalances in your favor. (how do you even figure you holding a mission for 18 hours is imbalance rather than pure exploit is a mystery, well not really, since if you actually admit the truth you'd likely be punished for your misdeads) Tell you what. I'll call it even when you donate the isk you earned to a noob. Hows that? I even have one in mind. He posted here the other day about his first ship loss. You know who I mean. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:10:00 - [284] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? 4.8 Its a hypnos, but if you'd seen how effective it was, you'd agree with the "of doom" I have a kaikka one kicking around, but it uses too much cap/CPU really. Yeah, i use hypnos myself, but I know there are some faction 5.0's out there. Anyway, they all suck from a balance point of view and should be removed or constricted to EW ships. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:11:00 - [285] Originally by: Jim McGregor You are picking a crazy example to make your argument hold. It doesnt. If you found a single asteroid that gave you double yield, its obvious its not working as intended. Its not the same AT ALL as doing a mission and finding out that the npc's are respawning so you can make lots of iskies. The respawn is obviously meant to happen while the asteroid giving double yield is not. You know you are wrong about this... Wait, so you think the mission system was built with the intent that players would spend 18 hours in a single mission? Seriously? You don't really think that, and if you do, it's just as valid for me to think this particular asteroid is common and intended. It's a "lots of iskie asteroid". It says so right there in my cargo hold. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:13:00 - [286] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Wait, so you think the mission system was built with the intent that players would spend 18 hours in a single mission? Seriously? You don't really think that, and if you do, it's just as valid for me to think this particular asteroid is common and intended. It's a "lots of iskie asteroid". It says so right there in my cargo hold. I think that mission was intended to have respawns to make it more difficult, yes. You know, it will STILL have these respawns when its moved to low sec. If its such a exploit, why are the devs keeping it? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:15:00 - [287] If it said in the description of the roid "this roid gives double yield", I'd assume it was intended and if I swung that way, mine it. Worlds Collide specifically describes the respawn. I guess its intended. Its just unbalanced.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:20:00 - [288] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Locke DieDrake Wait, so you think the mission system was built with the intent that players would spend 18 hours in a single mission? Seriously? You don't really think that, and if you do, it's just as valid for me to think this particular asteroid is common and intended. It's a "lots of iskie asteroid". It says so right there in my cargo hold. I think that mission was intended to have respawns to make it more difficult, yes. You know, it will STILL have these respawns when its moved to low sec. If its such a exploit, why are the devs keeping it? They haven't yet. And until they do, we won't know what they intend. If the devs decide it's ok for players to spend multiple days worth of gaming time in a single mission, then I guess thats fine with me. Since most missions (by most I mean non-uber lvl4's) aren't profitable if you spend all your time blowing up ships, instead of completing the mission and getting the rewards, that seems contrary to the intent of the mission system. Or maybe, the devs intend for only lvl4 missions to be farmable and those of us that can't or don't do them are just left in the cold collecting our measly rewards and bounties. But you still didn't answer my question. Do you think the mission is ment to be held open so you can farm bounties for 18 hours or more? Or is that just a nice bonus for you? ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:21:00 - [289] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HippoKing the multispec of doom. 5.0 base strength? 4.8 Its a hypnos, but if you'd seen how effective it was, you'd agree with the "of doom" I have a kaikka one kicking around, but it uses too much cap/CPU really. Yeah, i use hypnos myself, but I know there are some faction 5.0's out there. Anyway, they all suck from a balance point of view and should be removed or constricted to EW ships. Faction (5.0) ones generally aren't worth it IMO. 37.5% more caps and CPU need on DG, 4.2% strength increase. My Kaikka is 5.2 strength. Thats an 8.3% increase in strength, and it needs a mere 62.5% more caps and CPU.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:23:00 - [290] Originally by: Locke DieDrake But you still didn't answer my question. Do you think the mission is ment to be held open so you can farm bounties for 18 hours or more? Or is that just a nice bonus for you? At a guess, I'd say that as you can leave them open for a week (as opposed to a day, back in Exodus), they fully expect people to leave them open like that. With the rolling respawn, what did they THINK was going to happen?
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:26:00 - [291] Originally by: HippoKing If it said in the description of the roid "this roid gives double yield", I'd assume it was intended and if I swung that way, mine it. Worlds Collide specifically describes the respawn. I guess its intended. Its just unbalanced. Are you missing the point because you aren't very brite, or because I'm not explaining corectly? The mission in question specificly describes the fact that reinforcements will arive as you go thru the mission. Does it say "you can stay in the dead space for 18 hours and collect the bounties on all the ships not to mention the officers so you can make way more money than the mission would otherwise pay you"? If not, seems to me like you might be pushing the line there. Thats fine, though, since it's clear at this point you and I aren't going to see eye to eye on the subject, I'll drop it. I hope to see you in low sec farming this mission while you sleep. This way we both win. You get a bunch of bounties, and I get to put your frozen corpse in my hanger. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:33:00 - [292] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Locke DieDrake But you still didn't answer my question. Do you think the mission is ment to be held open so you can farm bounties for 18 hours or more? Or is that just a nice bonus for you? At a guess, I'd say that as you can leave them open for a week (as opposed to a day, back in Exodus), they fully expect people to leave them open like that. With the rolling respawn, what did they THINK was going to happen? One last question. (two actually) First, haven't you ever heard of unintended consequences? Second, so you think it would be ok if I park a drone ship in a deadspace and leave it there for a week. Letting the drones naturally agro and take out anything that targets me? Because I think most people would cry foul. If not, hell, I have a new way for my alt to make me money. And I don't even have to be at the computer. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Vishnej Demonic Retribution	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:39:00 - [293] That's a valid means of using drones, yes - noone would harbor any ill will towards you for doing so. Same with AFK-mining for 6 hours in a transport ship.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:40:00 - [294] Before I go to bed I'd like to make one more point. I promise, last one. Hippo- I have nothing against you personally and I don't really want to see you banned for a silly mission. I do however think that what you did is tantamount to exploiting. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I have no problem letting the devs work it out when they get the time. If they are ok with people doing what you did. Then far be it from me to argue. Somethings I like about eve, others not so much. But I didn't make the game, I only play it. I just try and do so with honor. Meaning I don't take advantage of weaknesses in the game system. There are many of them. And maybe I'm poorer and weaker than others because I don't. But I'm content with that. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:45:00 - [295] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Locke DieDrake But you still didn't answer my question. Do you think the mission is ment to be held open so you can farm bounties for 18 hours or more? Or is that just a nice bonus for you? I think the devs didnt intend for it to be used that way, but players noticed it was very profitable to play it that way. So they did. And they will continue to do so even when its moved to low sec. I know i will personally try to hunt players doing it in low sec when its moved. Adds to the fun of the game. Not sure what you mean by 18 hours though... the mission is available the whole week, 23 hours/day just like any other. Maybe you mean 5 hours of sleep (1 hour downtime), and then keep on farming? Yeah, i guess some maniacs might do that. Its up to them and they are not exploiting the game in any way. The 18hours is how long I had the mission open before starting this thread. Since then, I ran that instance for 6days, ran one mission inbetween, and got offered another Worlds Collide, which is still open. I have spent about 2hrs a day clearing it out I think most days this week. The best bit is that I can easily do it while semi-AFK, posting on the forums or working.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:46:00 - [296] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Second, so you think it would be ok if I park a drone ship in a deadspace and leave it there for a week. Letting the drones naturally agro and take out anything that targets me? Because I think most people would cry foul. If not, hell, I have a new way for my alt to make me money. And I don't even have to be at the computer. People was actually doing missions afk.. then they started dying with the harder missions (which wasnt intended in the first place) while they werent even at their computer. Nobody says they are exploiting. Some are even getting their ships back from ccp. (!). Your definition of a exploit is very wrong. You are however entitled to your opinion. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Vishnej Demonic Retribution	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:46:00 - [297] Subtle weaknesses in the game system that grant a minor repeatable advantage where they shouldn't are things that need to be balanced, not exploits. Blatantly obvious order-of-magnitude increases in your abilities granted by using particular interactions of the game mechanics ("Look ma, if I hold down F1 while ah unplug mah implants, ah can wear ten perception implants at once") are exploits. Things that you encounter in everyday playtime tend to occupy the former category, including gaining a slightly better reward from a mission than you deserve.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:47:00 - [298] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/07/2006 09:39:23 Originally by: Locke DieDrake But you still didn't answer my question. Do you think the mission is ment to be held open so you can farm bounties for 18 hours or more? Or is that just a nice bonus for you? I think the devs didnt intend for it to be used that way, but players noticed it was very profitable to play it that way. So they did. And they will continue to do so even when its moved to low sec. I know i will personally try to hunt players doing it in low sec when its moved. Adds to the fun of the game. Not sure what you mean by 18 hours though... the mission is available the whole week, 23 hours/day just like any other. Maybe you mean 5 hours of sleep (1 hour downtime), and then keep on farming? Yeah, i guess some maniacs might do that. Its up to them and they are not exploiting the game in any way. OK. Well if thats the way you see it, then thats that. The 18hours comment was in relation to Hippo mentioning having been in the mission for that period of time. Nothing more. And yes, I know people will intentionally start a mission right before down time, nearly finish it and then do it again after down time for a second free run. I personally think all missions should expire at down time. But I think alot of things. I also think there should be 0 advantage to playing in different time zones. At least within the game itself. Obviously being on at non-peak time means that you are less likely to run into camps or pirates or such. But being on right after down time should not allow you to make more isk, or get things that other players can't get. And no, telling me that I should get up at 5am so I can be the only person today to run a complex or farm a mission is not valid. My sleep schedule should not adversely affect my ability to run a complex or farm a mission. If you want to confer those kind of reality based things into the game, then I should be allowed to use my programable keyboard to macro mine since I have the keyboard, why shouldn't I use it? I don't use it that way. Because I think thats not in the spirit of the game. But I also know not everyone feels like they should restrain themselfs from taking advantage of game mechanics, or facts of life (like server resets) ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:49:00 - [299] Originally by: HippoKing The 18hours is how long I had the mission open before starting this thread. Since then, I ran that instance for 6days, ran one mission inbetween, and got offered another Worlds Collide, which is still open. I have spent about 2hrs a day clearing it out I think most days this week. The best bit is that I can easily do it while semi-AFK, posting on the forums or working. I see. Personally i have this mission open too, but cant handle the serpentis spawn with my Raven. So i stick to just doing the first wave now and then... its worth 8 mill or so, and i do it 2-3 times per day. Takes very little time. I will try the gurista gate i think... its easier than the serpentis? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 09:52:00 - [300] Edited by: HippoKing on 16/07/2006 09:53:18 Guristas is significantly harder than serpentis (at least in a cerb, its all elite cruisers), and there are numerous warp scrambling frigates. Whatever happens, I've been told, don't launch drones there. I'm suprised a raven can't hand the serpentis side though, as long as you don't aggress everyone, it should be OK

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