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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.02 12:44:00 -
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I'll just repeat Morkt Drak
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Trust will be a word that TTi will need to prove, at many junctions down the line, before it is something that, once again, becomes associated with the corporation and their dealings as it once did.
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...announcement - cant say as i trust it any further than i could throw it... ya want me to put my life or any money on it - no way Jose.
Time and evidence via actions will tell, nothing else.
BIG Lottery
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.02 12:48:00 -
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So, let get this straight .....
Am I the only one fighting against the NVA now ...... or am just being paranoid 
Woof Woof Woof
"Has anyone seen my CEO" 
I'd start dusting off that white flag if I were you 
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.10.02 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mongo Peck on 02/10/2003 13:15:29
Na .... I wait for the official word.
But as the Scenites are not a pirate corp and only entered the war after an official request, I'm sure, if that help is no longer needed, it would be advisable to re-evaluate the situation.
But I'm just a "lapdog" doing what my master says ..... Someone let me know and I'll take the finger off the trigger ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Ki'li
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Posted - 2003.10.02 13:22:00 -
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Reikoku will recognise the ceasefire unless TTI actions prove it false. We will no longer attack TTI ships in empire space unless we are fired upon first.
BTW we are now for hire I guess =)
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.10.02 13:35:00 -
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Although i no longer play, i would just like to wish GunnyP and MarkA Good Luck and also farewell to Ragnar.
I had a fantastic time in TTI, i'll be around on irc as much as possible, but you know my situation.
God Speed in your comming journey :)
Your Old Friend,
Necro
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.10.02 13:36:00 -
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Figthers Of Heineken are happy to hear these news and we recognize the cease fire..
GL TTi in the near future
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.02 14:04:00 -
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Congratulations to you, GunnyP and to the new begining of TTI. Myself and all of Oracle wish you well and good luck in this endevour.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.10.02 14:59:00 -
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While the British Space Corporation has never openly pursued or targetted Taggart Transdimensional with military force (and continue not to do so) we are glad to hear about the fledgling changes within the organisation.
However, the BSC's stance towards Taggart as an entity will not, currently, change. Should Taggart officials wish to be informed of this stance, they should enquire directly to my office.
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Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik
President, Royal Communication Department
http://eve.britishspacecorps.co.uk/http://eve.britishspacecorps |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.02 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 02/10/2003 15:21:46
My congratulations are extended to the new leadership of TTi. I've known GunnyP for awhile and he seems like an honest chap. I'm looking forward to helping TTi anyway possible in its new endeavors.
To those who also wish them the best of luck I'm also grateful. I still have many friends at TTi and while I did leave the company a month or so ago I do wish the best for it. I'm happy to see so many people ready to allow them a chance to succeed as well as very pleased so many have encouraged the company on the new path its set for itself.
If there is anything I can do to assist the new TTi in this brand new chapter of its long history please feel free to ask.
Best wishes and good luck in the future.
Calladen Nimitz
CEO - Libertas Enterprises
Senator - Confederation of Free Stars
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GunnyP
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:58:00 -
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First of all, thank you all for your kind words and well wishes.
Secondly, HitGirl: Thank you for your question. Understandably my first action was to open a dialog with the NVA. You have to remember that this was a civil war. These fine men were once our allies. These talks were very productive and resulted in the following: I am very happy to announce that we now have a formal, bilateral cease fire in place. We acknowledge the NVA claims on the Venal region. We will now enter a ôcooling off periodö during which we will enter formal negotiations for a true and lasting peace
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Deadzone
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:22:00 -
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Gunny, as much as I wish to say congrats to you as the new head of TTI, I would also ask of you, how can we all REALLY believe what has just taken place? You must understand, that TTI has done so much to misplace the trust of a LOT of people. And I for one, am not convinced with this 'sudden' turn of events.
What are you going to be able to do to help solidify this event as the real thing? And Ragnor not just the puppet master behind the sceens? Mistrust of TTI runs deep for many people here and just a statement of a new President, will surely not be enough.
Vice-Admiral
Executive Commanding Officer
Military Command
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:47:00 -
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I am glad to hear this. I have always liked most of the people in TTI, and i hated the conflict we had to go through.
Good to know you're giving it a new shot.
/emote thank god a cease fire :P
~WarElf
~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.10.02 19:05:00 -
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Gunny, as much as I wish to say congrats to you as the new head of TTI, I would also ask of you, how can we all REALLY believe what has just taken place? You must understand, that TTI has done so much to misplace the trust of a LOT of people. And I for one, am not convinced with this 'sudden' turn of events.
What are you going to be able to do to help solidify this event as the real thing? And Ragnor not just the puppet master behind the sceens? Mistrust of TTI runs deep for many people here and just a statement of a new President, will surely not be enough.
I have to admit that "trust" is not the sentiment that fills me in regards to TTI. I think "hope" is a better word.
I flew with TTI members several times prior to the fracture of the old VA. I had respect for many of their members before Ragnar's PR fiasco, and I still do. I look at the whole situation like this:
 Ragnar did an excellent job of recruiting loyal members to his ranks, members who believed in TTI's stated code of ethics.
Ragnar himself was not a practitioner of these ethics, but preferred money and power.
His members, because of their loyalty, were loathe to abandon TTI when the going got rough, even though most of them probably were not partuclarly happy about the direction TTI was going.
Those same members got tired: Tired of war, tired of PR rhetoric, and tired of being universally hated and hunted because of their corp tag.
Those members have now chosen to find the path they should have been on from the beginning...the path of fair trade and equitable dealings with other...the path to respect.
Over the last two weeks or so, I spoke to several members in TTI's general ranks (read: Not their board of directors) and I know from their own words that what I said above was true for at least some TTI.
Because of this, I am willing to give GunnyP and Mark A a chance to redeem their corporation. I never thought TTI, specifically, was evil. I always thought it was their leadership that caused the problems.
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.10.02 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mark A on 02/10/2003 19:23:01
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Gunny, as much as I wish to say congrats to you as the new head of TTI, I would also ask of you, how can we all REALLY believe what has just taken place? You must understand, that TTI has done so much to misplace the trust of a LOT of people. And I for one, am not convinced with this 'sudden' turn of events.
What are you going to be able to do to help solidify this event as the real thing? And Ragnor not just the puppet master behind the sceens? Mistrust of TTI runs deep for many people here and just a statement of a new President, will surely not be enough.
Puppetmaster. lol.
To some extent you are quite right, you'll just have to wait and see. We're not asking anyone to take anything at face value.
However I think the reason that so many people _have_ accepted our announcement so graciously is that it simply makes sense. While being at war with half the universe at one point or another has had its high points, its been going on for months now and its time for a change. Everyone I've spoken to on both sides seems to want a return to profitable operations instead of senseless waste.
Of course the irony is that Gunny and myself weren't tier-2 execs waiting to fill Ragnar's boots - only a few short weeks ago we were rank-and-file military, and on the front-line of the war. This is why a lot of the people posting here know us already, and I'd refer you to their comments about whether we are likely to be true to our word or not.
But like I said, by all means sit on the fence as long as you want.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:50:00 -
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And why should anyone believe that Ragnar has left the game? Why should be belive that GunnyP isen't a 2nd account of Ragnar??
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:09:00 -
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And why should anyone believe that Ragnar has left the game? Why should be belive that GunnyP isen't a 2nd account of Ragnar??
Gut feeling I guess Skillz. Having debated and chatted with both of them I feel quite confident they are different people.
Love and peace
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Tharkadd
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Posted - 2003.10.03 04:59:00 -
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This is long overdue, and quite welcome.
If GunnyP says something I will believe it, he has been a very honorable warrior every time I have encountered him.
Curtiss Militech welcomes future dealings with the New TTI.
Everyone leaves the world a better place. Some for having been here, some for leaving it.
If children are the future, we need to weed out the bad ones before they get elected.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:53:00 -
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the thing is, as much as i welcome the resignation of ragnar, will we see a formal apology for his actions from tti, a formal apology to the 5 corp's who they declared war against, if we wish for this "war" with TTI to be ended this need to be done as it will give some closure, untill that point i will still harbour ill feelings towards TTI (and just ill feelings, im not gunna run aroung empire space shooting people, it takes up valuble time) as much hardship was suffered by many corp's because TTI couldnt be humble once in a while or admit when they were wrong.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:39:00 -
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My friend,
Sometimes actions really do speak louder than words.
Actions in this case have been very significant.
We owe respect to those with the courage to take hard decisons without flinching.
No one gains from bitterness for its own sake.
Love and peace
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 17:42:00 -
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I think it is a bit much to ask TTI to aplogise. It is one thing to have your leader step down, it is quite another to kiss the boots of those you once fought.
Now what you have to appreciate is that TTI and GunnyP are going to want to make a new fresh start, but let me tell u something, he will not go around touching you guys up. He's not that sort of guy, so do not expect such a public display instead embrace him as the new leader he is and have a more open minded opinion from here on out when it comes to TTI, as those ill feelings are against an opposition long gone (/me Waves).
-Necro
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.10.03 19:24:00 -
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I agree, things have turned out for the best so please don't start messing things up by "stupid" demands ..
Woof Woof Jade
Mongo speaks !!
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QuinHaden
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Posted - 2003.10.03 21:14:00 -
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I agree, things have turned out for the best so please don't start messing things up by "stupid" demands ..
Woof Woof Jade
Well said.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.03 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 03/10/2003 21:24:09
Wars should be fought to the very bitter end.
Why not expel TTi from Venal or insist on it's full liquidation?
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it is quite another to kiss the boots of those you once fought.
and as long as they don't, you can't claim victory.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.10.04 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mark A on 04/10/2003 00:39:55
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the thing is, as much as i welcome the resignation of ragnar, will we see a formal apology for his actions from tti, a formal apology to the 5 corp's who they declared war against, if we wish for this "war" with TTI to be ended this need to be done as it will give some closure, untill that point i will still harbour ill feelings towards TTI (and just ill feelings, im not gunna run aroung empire space shooting people, it takes up valuble time) as much hardship was suffered by many corp's because TTI couldnt be humble once in a while or admit when they were wrong.
My view is that Ragnar was indeed wrong to declare war on the 5 dissenting corps in the infamous VA vote. While I can appreciate the sentiment that corps which vote to boot you from an alliance aren't displaying the spirit of what an alliance is supposed to be all about, fixing any grievances from the inside rather than causing an irreparable rift would have been a better course of action IMHO.
I feel confident that if GunnyP and I had been in charge at that point, things would have gone down differently.
That's as close to contrition as it gets BTW, hope that makes you feel better.
*edit* I'd add that as you probably know, after the civil war had started, I had plenty of opportunities to blast your corp members both around Venal and in your favoured hunting spots further north, but refrained from doing so. Why do you think that was?
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: KIAPieman on 05/10/2003 23:10:59
Edited by: KIAPieman on 05/10/2003 23:10:11
Mark A, i wasnt posting out of any means of being mean or stomping on your corp, i was just making a point, yes our corp voted against you and i do know that you have reservations about that, these are just my feelings and take them as you will, i am by no means a spokesperson for my corp or the venal alliance and i will abide by the ceasefire, its just thet it does take time for wounds to heal (i hope they do too) i would see however thet if i was demanding repayment for losses etc thet that would be unacceptable and it is good that the NVA havent gone down that road.
i know this is digging up an oldish thread but i havent been reading these forums for a few days and i felt i needed to take away any feeling that i was being negative about what has happened with TTI, i really do feel that it is a good move forward for TTI and i hope in the long run i will be able to conduct business with you or even fight alongside you.
i apologise for any confusion from my post.
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:59:00 -
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Congratulations to TTI on their new start. Although I'm sure it will take quite a while to earn the trust you had back in beta again.
It was good fighting with you in beta when I was still with Omega Corp and we aided TTI against Endless Corp and the crap Hellgremlin caused (he must return to make more content imo) in the system wars to win a station. THen you fell from the good fame to what you were recently. Hopefully this path will get you back there  .
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Kringen
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: GunnyP on 02/10/2003 00:31:26
Earlier today Ragnar Danneskjold officially stepped down as President and CEO of Taggart Transdimensional and declared his retirement from EVE.
Like we care
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