If you've seen a better proposal to fix killrights, then why not link the thread? Aside from then not being able to engage in pointless forum arguments :)
As for the argument that every hulk pilot should have to train combat skills to exercise his kill rights, why? Specialisation is a huge part of Eve Online gameplay, with alts existing for every almost role, including suicide ganking and mining. Combat pilots can follow bookmarks collected by a scout alt, they can warp to a beacon created by a cyno alt, they can suicide gank based on information gathered by a scouting alt, they can send and receive ISK from their market alts. But when a mining alt wants to farm out some killing duties to a combat character, suddenly that's not cool and he should have to the same dude?

The only decent argument I've seen against the idea is from the Goonswarm guy. His point being that if he ganks someone and the target and his corp come for revenge, they all get the first shot advantage before he can fire back, and if I understand it correctly the ganker's corpmates can't fire back at all. So on that basis perhaps trading kill rights on a one for one basis would work better? So any miners in an indy corp that get ganked pass the kill rights on to their enforcer combat pilot who is then in a position to return the favour, and you still get one one one encounters(to start with anyway).

Why, my corp or alliance will not be able to shoot you. Kill rights give you an advantage as you can dictate the fight is 1 vs 1 (beyond a remote) and when to have the fight.

The revenge is personal. You don't get to pile up when your kill right can't do the same.

You overestimate the chances of non-PvPers. I've personally beaten gangs of 6-8 high sec bears easily in a single battlecruiser. Now, granted, not everyone in high sec is a complete **** in PvP (which I've also experienced).

So are you basing this Kill Right fix on just suicide ganks or all types of Kill Rights?

Why should I give you the chance to fight back, your suicide ganker gave my miner no chance to fight back. Whoever chooses to fight one on one deserves to lose their ship for being stupid, unless its a pre agreed duel. If someone shot and injured a squad mate would only the injured guy fight back or would his squadd mates shoot back.

You guys do know that there's a button that lets you declare war on other corps right? If you want your entire corp to be able to shoot at someone for as long as you want you can use that.

Also if you made killrights transfer to corps I'd start suicide ganking just so loads of crappy highsec corps had kill rights on me, it would be awsome.

Who said you do? You could gank me with the kill right and not worry about concord at all. That's what kill rights give you. A chance for personal revenge for the personal gank.-á

If something like what I was put in place, I would think that the suicide ganker could expect a visit from the corp PvP'ers within 30 days.

Maybe my corps have been the exception.
But what I am proposing is a no-lose scenario for gankers, if they truly want PvP.

It's a no-win situation for the victim, if they're all as stupid as you.
I've not only ganked (whatever) and had my fun / ISK .... but I now have an endless stream of carebears trying to fight back? AWESOME.
I would suicide gank 5 times more, leading to 5 times the victims with your proposed changes.

And if my character is not able to gain revenge by themselves due to sp allocation or inexperience in low/null sec it makes it a free gank with no consequences for the ganker. I would not come after you alone unless it was 100% certain that I would win, that is what a corp is for.

My point is aimed primarily at high sec gankers, people who just use alts and gank high sec miners and haulers. As I think you said I dont need a kill right to attack someone in low/null sec as the rules are different. Players should not be able to hide behind alts to feed there main isk without the main becoming vulnerable.

Being able to trade kill rights with a redone bounty system would be good. You sell someone your kill rights as a bounty on them. You can then as the bounty hunter collect the bounty on the kill right for successful destruction.-á

This would stop (mostly, I guess a bounty hunter could gank with alt but he would still need to get you to bounty te kill right to him) the huge issue that has broken the bounty system where I can just collect my own bounty.-á

Problem is you still won't collect it if you just stick to high sec or they only appear to gank. Oh well.-á

Typical. You have no clue what you are talking about, and it shows that you have no grasp of the game it self.



I suicide gank on my main when it suits me.

I do not use an alt to do this.

I have 60+ kill rights on me right now. (It has been slow, holidays and all) I will send you the ******* list, you can gather up a pose.

The gate / station guns will not shoot at you or your corp/ gang / fleet no mater where you are if you agress me.

You / Your corp / gang or fleet will not receive a sec hit if you all come after me.

I am vulnerable, you have everything in your favor.

So now what?

You are dumb. You think people pay 40 bucks after a few hits. You will never get revenge on us in high sec though. Feel free to leave high sec where you don't even need kill rights though.-á

i dont have a problem with you, you gank on your main and any individual who has kill rights on you can use them to kill you. When you gank someone you are aware of the possible consequences to your main character. If you ever ganked me i would assess any situation where i had the possibility of revenge and if situation was heavily in my favour I would take it. My problem is with alts who gank and all the benefits of the gank goes to their main character who suffers none of the consequences.

My argument for enabling corp members of the victim be able to enact the kill right is just common sense, freinds and allies stick together. If someone was to mug my best mate in RL I would kick the **** out of the person responsible if i ever met them and I am sure a lot of other people would. Similar principles should be allowed in eve.

When I looked through the new feature set, I didn't see a single change that will make things easier for the gankees, but several changes that will make ganking more 'fun' and more profitable.

Why do I bother to post this? I don't know.

As I have said several times, my proposal is a no-lose situation for gankers.
Either my proposal has no effect on gankers because I have over-estimated the willingness and capabilities of the industrial corps to attack gankers, or the industrial corps DO take advantage of a new mechanic and all the gankers who profess to love PvP so much will suddenly have more coming to them.

If that happens, CCP will either nerf the new BC's and destroyers somewhat, and/or they make a change to the retribution system to dissuade the gankers.

The issue, is that it makes it EASIER to gank than ever before. Given your stated reason for wanting such a change is to give retribution to the gankers ... where is your logic?

The only winner in this scenario is the ganker.
The only loser in this scenario is the gankee / gankees corp mates.

There is no reason at all to implement this.

Such as ..... ?
You're literally the only person complaining about Crucible.

I am working off the assumption that suicide gankers underestimate the resolve and skill capabilities of most industrial corps to hunt down a ganker within 30 days

I don't believe the propaganda spread by suicide gankers that industrial corps don't have combat pilots, and this proposal would not be taken advantage of by industrial corps.

And so what if I am wrong? I could be, easily. What happens then?

You need to read the pre-release propaganda again. If you still can't figure it out, it's not my fault.

Insurance is no longer paid out for players who are killed by CONCORD.

Many points slamming my proposal