Been a bazillion threads about the upcoming mayhem the suicide gankers have planned Nov 29th.
No amount of whining on the forums will change that. It is a valid game mechanic, no matter how much I and so many others wish it was not.

But CCP, how about letting us get a little retribution?
Not every miner belongs to an NPC corp, or a pure industrial PC corp.
Some of the miners have friends or other chars in their corp that might have some teeth.

I believe there is something in my journals about having killrights for 30 days after someone nails me.
Not sure how that mechanic works, nor specifically care.

But CCP, what I AM suggesting to a modification of that kill right.
Make it activate in such a manner that if someone is suicide ganked in a corp, the ENTIRE corp has kill rights on that suicide ganker for 30 days.
That asshat...er..suicide ganker would be fair game to anyone in the corp wherever they can be found in game.

But some stipulations:


1. Only the victim's corp, not an alliance, can seek retribution.
2. You get to kill the ganker only once. Whether the ganker is in a faction BS or rookie ship, once you blow him up once, the the kill rights are gone.
3. The ganker changes corps, the kill rights against him follow him.
4. If the suicide ganker is even yellow-boxed by a member of the victim corp, the suicide ganker can defend as he was operating under a war dec with the victim corp.
5. If retribution combat is engaged, pods on both sides can be destroyed with no Concord impact.

I am betting a ton of these elite PvP'ers would suddenly reconsider their operations if they rolled through a gate and saw 3 or 4 corp members waiting for him the next day. I mean, geez, they might actually get a loss mail then on their record, and that wouldn't do.

Been a bazillion threads about the upcoming mayhem the suicide gankers have planned Nov 29th.
No amount of whining on the forums will change that. It is a valid game mechanic, no matter how much I and so many others wish it was not.

But CCP, how about letting us get a little retribution?
Not every miner belongs to an NPC corp, or a pure industrial PC corp.
Some of the miners have friends or other chars in their corp that might have some teeth.

I believe there is something in my journals about having killrights for 30 days after someone nails me.
Not sure how that mechanic works, nor specifically care.

But CCP, what I AM suggesting to a modification of that kill right.
Make it activate in such a manner that if someone is suicide ganked in a corp, the ENTIRE corp has kill rights on that suicide ganker for 30 days.
That asshat...er..suicide ganker would be fair game to anyone in the corp wherever they can be found in game.

But some stipulations:


1. Only the victim's corp, not an alliance, can seek retribution.
2. You get to kill the ganker only once. Whether the ganker is in a faction BS or rookie ship, once you blow him up once, the the kill rights are gone.
3. The ganker changes corps, the kill rights against him follow him.
4. If the suicide ganker is even yellow-boxed by a member of the victim corp, the suicide ganker can defend as he was operating under a war dec with the victim corp.
5. If retribution combat is engaged, pods on both sides can be destroyed with no Concord impact.

I am betting a ton of these elite PvP'ers would suddenly reconsider their operations if they rolled through a gate and saw 3 or 4 corp members waiting for him the next day. I mean, geez, they might actually get a loss mail then on their record, and that wouldn't do.

I believe there is something in my journals about having killrights for 30 days after someone nails me.
Not sure how that mechanic works, nor specifically care.

But CCP, what I AM suggesting to a modification of that kill right.

Maybe you should take the time to learn a bit about the thing you're looking to modifyGǪ hmm?

By the way, why do you need further tools for retribution?

4. If the suicide ganker is even yellow-boxed by a member of the victim corp, the suicide ganker can defend as he was operating under a war dec with the victim corp.

Further, it is pretty pointless for an industrial alt to have kill rights, since the vast majority of indy alts don't have the skills to seek retribution. But a corp, that is another matter.

Well, I do know that the killrights are for me and me alone to utilize, certainly not my entire corp.
Further, it is pretty pointless for an industrial alt to have kill rights, since the vast majority of indy alts don't have the skills to seek retribution. But a corp, that is another matter.

Are you trying to get more carebears killed? Seriously, locking should not ever be considered a hostile action.

And really, there is no difference between 1 carebear not collecting killrights on me and 100 carebears not collecting killrights on me. Makes no difference in the end. A few bold carebears will be more confident in numbers, but that will quickly change the first time it goes bad (which will likely be the first time they attempt to fight back).

Then they'd have 100 easy targets instead of 1 :)

So in other words, the tools are there, but people choose not to make use of them.

GǪso why are further tools needed?

So in other words, the tools are there, but people choose not to make use of them.

GǪso why are further tools needed?

Let's put it this way, either you underestimate the amount of indy pilots that have compentent PvP alts or corp mates, or I am overestimating the combat capabilities of most industrial corps.

One way, you get more PvP which you guys profess to love so much, other way, nothing changes and this proposed change does not affect you. Seems like a no-lose situation for suicide gankers.

Now you are being obtuse. The existing kill rights mechanism works on an individual level, and is inadequate for the vast majority of indy alts to seek retribution.

Now you are being obtuse. The existing kill rights mechanism works on an individual level, and is inadequate for the vast majority of indy alts to seek retribution.

Tippia, as much as I appreciate you fighting the good fight for the sake of this game's integrity, I think you should actually not argue against this proposal.

Read my post.

PVP ships are usually buffer tanked. Given enough time, you can kill most of them with a poorly fit cruiser on an industry character with barely any PVP skills. All you need are corpies to keep you alive with RR, and possibly add a bit of DPS if the target is dumb enough to shoot them.

In other words (again, and until you get the point I'm making), they have chosen to make use of the tools available.


Nah, I think I will, partly because the OP admits to not knowing or caring about the mechanics he want to discuss (which means he has no business discussing them) and partly because it's a pretty awful idea compared to the oft-proposed alternatives.

I believe there is something in my journals about having killrights for 30 days after someone nails me.
Not sure how that mechanic works, nor specifically care.

But CCP, what I AM suggesting to a modification of that kill right.
Make it activate in such a manner that if someone is suicide ganked in a corp, the ENTIRE corp has kill rights on that suicide ganker for 30 days.

Fair enough. Let me paraphrase to make sure I am understanding what you are saying:
Under the current game mechanics, if the suicide ganker is attacked by a past indy victim, say with minimal skills (but has to have the ability to fit a scram/disrupter to get the initial tackle), the indy victim's corp buddies can keep on RR'ing the indy victim with no chance of the suicide ganker shooting the RR corp buddies?

And even if it did, the suicide ganker would be able to burn back to a gate and jump long before the industrial with the poor PvP skills could bring down the suicide ganker's ship. Somehow, I think some indy alt with say L2 in medium autocannons and BC III, in a Cane against a Tornado, not much chance of bringing down the Tornado.

The overall problem with the proposal is that it assumes the gankers have any interest in their gank alt. Or that blowing up said alt would do anything to ruin their day. Which is of course preposterous. I've been ganked once. Got careless moving 40M or so out of Jita. Checked the KRs for that toon and saw that I had rights on a character maybe a couple weeks old (told you, careless. transpo in an unfit frig.). I mean it can't fly anything worth killing. If it could I would have been docked with a locator fitting a PvP ship. As it is he likely transferred anything of value to another toon and has stopped any training on the gank alt some time ago now. This is the real problem with the mechanic. There is really no risk on the ganker's end. And extended kill rights would not create any.

No. If your friends bring ships with both RR and a bit of DPS (Like a hospital Domi, which has 400+ DPS on top of good repping capabilities), getting shot at would be a good thing. Once the target shoots one of your friends, they can start shooting him back, tilting the fight even more in your favor.


There are ways of getting around that as well. Bumping them off the station or gate could work. Or you can hope they stay aggressed. If they want to jump or dock, they will have to wait at least a minute from the last time they shot you.

Plenty of pilots suicide gank with their mains, or at least alts they actually care about. The same would apply to lowsec ganks as well.

Who?
New players who read about ganking and dive right in (again not capable of flying anything worth killing)?
Low and Null seccers jumping on the goonwagon for lulz? Again not flying (or wearing implants) that are worth a damn?
Naturally the aggressions mechanics are different for low sec. That is why it is low sec.
I realize here that you are trying to defend a manner of play you deem 'fun'. I have not denied that or suggested any change in aggression or other game mechanics to combat it (if anything I was arguing against a change in mechanics). The fact remains that the bulk of hi sec ganks are gank-alts. And that there is little point in using KRs on a gank alt. It has been that way for years.

Who?
New players who read about ganking and dive right in (again not capable of flying anything worth killing)?
Low and Null seccers jumping on the goonwagon for lulz? Again not flying (or wearing implants) that are worth a damn?
Naturally the aggressions mechanics are different for low sec. That is why it is low sec.
I realize here that you are trying to defend a manner of play you deem 'fun'. I have not denied that or suggested any change in aggression or other game mechanics to combat it (if anything I was arguing against a change in mechanics). The fact remains that the bulk of hi sec ganks are gank-alts. And that there is little point in using KRs on a gank alt. It has been that way for years.

Actually, I don't really think many on either side of the fence would object to some version of this being introduced.

That being said, and yes I've felt the need to repeat this chestnut often lately...

... be careful what you wish for...