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Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.20 10:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/07/2006 10:44:20 Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Butter Dog Awwww, someone is a little bitter that their alliance mate was banned for using a can-lag exploit and all of our lost ships at that POS are being re-imbursed by CCP. If you don't want petitions, don't use exploits - not difficult is it. In the meantime, we look forward to another 'free' bit of shooty shooty at the POS real soon This guy placed Pacman logo near POS, it was made from about 50-60 cans. I see more cans near gates in Nonni or in belts in empire. When I warped to POS i got the same lag as usual. I always have lag when warping to POS because client loads textures and models for POS structures. GM decided to immediately ban DOOM member instead to ask for can removal. He banned old char basicly ruining few years of character development. I don't blame GMs. They are overworked and tend to close cases as soon as possible. I blame ISS for bringing out of game tools to win the game. And for only this I will devote my time to pod every ISS member I can find. Let get one thing straight - we petitioned because the ships we lost lagged out so much upon arrival at the POS they were waiting up to 5 minutes for the screen to load. They could not activate their tanks, could not align for warp, and popped. Any player who isn't a total nub knows that dropping 60 secure containers at a POS generates lag on warp-in. We didnt ask the GM to ban your friend, we asked them to re-inburse our ships. THEY decided to ban your friend, not us. For the record I think banning was too harsh, we just wanted the cans removed, but we sure as hell were not going to give you advance warning of our POS assault by asking your friends to remove them. Your comment about 'out-of-game' tools doesnt even make sense, we used the in-game petition system to request reimbursement caused by a lag exploit. Nothing more. The simple fact is we would have lost barely any ships had they not lagged out on arrival at the POS, and that lag was in a large part due to those cans.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.20 10:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Abslom Daakk Interestingly enough, (and I may be wrong) wasn't BoB granted a substantial portion of ISS Cassini and Marginis shares to allow ISS to operate outposts in these areas? In essence BoB is getting paid a cut of the money ISS's customers spend to be/get there and then BoB gets another piece of the pie when they gank them on the way out. Nice arrangement! [) @ you Being uninformed AND opinionated is a very poor combination.
Abslom Daakk	Posted - 2006.07.20 14:04:00 - [33] Edited by: Abslom Daakk on 20/07/2006 14:04:54 Originally by: Butter Dog @ you Being uninformed AND opinionated is a very poor combination. I'm glad you skipped past the part where I said I could be wrong, but then again reading is not likely too high on the list of requirements for ISS Admirals. /me feels sorry for you
boo3916 Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:42:00 - [34] first things first, hippoking your just a forumn whoring jerk nuff said about that ref the pos attack by iss, lets set the facts right it wasnt the cans that caused the lag it was the bubbles we also deployed, we warped in and out of the pos on numerous occaisions to defend it and had minimul lag. iss lost almost 30 bs and support ships to our pos and defending fleet this happened during 3 or 4 seperate attacks not in 1 attack, after the first attack why keep coming back if it was laggy anyway. all iss did was petition and got all there bs replaced how pathetic, they lost them fair and square what losers they are cos the battle didnt go there way. i wish we got ships replace when we lost them to inferior forces, iss u mak me laugh get your facts right
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:18:00 - [35] Our facts are perfectly clear; 1: The lag was generated on warp-in, load times were up to 5 minutes, if you got unlucky your ship popped before the screen loaded - these are the losses we petitioned. 2: Everyone knows placing a large number of secure containers generates lag, and anyone who has been playing EVE for 3 years and claims otherwise is lying. 3: We had nothing to do with your friend being banned. We simply requested re-imbursement for ships whos screens failed to load. A GM visited the POS and decided the appropriate action to take. If you want to avoid further bans, avoid further exploits. As I've said before we do NOT support your friend being banned, and we have tried to convince CCP otherwise, but with no luck (or indeed response). So, for us, the matter is now closed.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:03:00 - [36] Originally by: HippoKing 60 cans cause a lot of lag, and a POS, that causes a lot of unfair death. As for the YNC guy: you are complaining about them needing out of game methods to beat their opponents. So, whats completely lagging out the opposition then? Ah yes, ingame methods... right? Go to belts in Nonni and you will get more cans. 60 cans is nothing. And I was warping to this POS too, I was warping there for the first time so no caching was involved and I got usual POS lag. I have fraps so I checked it after the fights. So anyone claiming he got 5min of lag is lieing or has veeery old computer system. Petitioning 60 cans near POS for lag is what I call using out of game methods. PS. Sorry for late reply but I was on holidays. PPS. Holidays suck, EVE rules.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 05/08/2006 01:16:52 Originally by: ArchenTheGreat This guy placed Pacman logo near POS, it was made from about 50-60 cans. I see more cans near gates in Nonni or in belts in empire. When I warped to POS i got the same lag as usual. I always have lag when warping to POS because client loads textures and models for POS structures. GM decided to immediately ban DOOM member instead to ask for can removal. He banned old char basicly ruining few years of character development. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Hehulk 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.05 17:43:00 - [38] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat ISS and ISSN are bunch of scumsuckers which can't defend own ships, nevermind of their assets. Do not expect them to defend you. All they can do is beg GM's to petition players instead of fight. Now to the topic... If you want to get safe jump to EC you can always ask DOOM/Exanimo/YNC for an entry fee. I am sure they will be helpful. If you are ISS/ISSN - don't bother. So, we can't be friends no more? ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
Maverick McDougel Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:26:00 - [39] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: HippoKing 60 cans cause a lot of lag, and a POS, that causes a lot of unfair death. As for the YNC guy: you are complaining about them needing out of game methods to beat their opponents. So, whats completely lagging out the opposition then? Ah yes, ingame methods... right? Go to belts in Nonni and you will get more cans. 60 cans is nothing. And I was warping to this POS too, I was warping there for the first time so no caching was involved and I got usual POS lag. I have fraps so I checked it after the fights. So anyone claiming he got 5min of lag is lieing or has veeery old computer system. Petitioning 60 cans near POS for lag is what I call using out of game methods. PS. Sorry for late reply but I was on holidays. PPS. Holidays suck, EVE rules. well if i have heard correctly each systems is allocated a certain percentage of the servers power based on prior use, so when you have a systems that normally has hundreds of players in it and lots of cans in belts it is from the start given a larger percent of the servers power. now when you have a 0.0 system that normally has a much smaller population and suddenly you put lots of people or cans in it the server has less power allocated to that system than is neccessary to operate in a timely manner. that is why when you have a system like jita that can have almost 1000 people in it you get at least near normal opperation, but when you have a system that normally has far fewer people in it and suddenly you put large numbers of people who are warping, loading 60 cans + untold pos structures, activating guns, ect it causes a great lag on the system that makes people lag out and not able to interact with the server. also the fact that pos guns are not affected by the loading lag they shoot the second you end up in their sights. this means that people who warp in can have thier ships shot at and killed before their client even knows that they are even being targetted. whenever you add in extra stuff that has apparent meaningless uses( cans,corpses, ect) it ads more delay, hence more lag hence more people being killed without a chance to even see the pos at warp in. dropping 60 cans even if they do it for purely artwork is know to cause lag in 0.0 systems or other systems that are rarely used. when you them proceed to add these to a situation that allows you to get a clear advantage due to the lag it would look very bad for you when the GM's come to investigate. if you want to have can art go for it but don't do it in a situation that causes you an unfair advantage in the game whether you intend it or not. trust me i have been in fights clear from populated empire areas clear into 0.0 systems that at 1 hour before downtime i have to try to load again after a message that says the system is still loading, due to me being the first person in that system for the day. i have also been in fleet battles where it only takes 5-10 seconds to activate mods with almost 100 people at a pos and in situations where the whole system was taking over an hour for people to get into warp and the people has to get manually moved by the GM's into other systems(cloud rings for example). Originally by: Svett 2006.07.27 17:24 May the gods of lag favor us in the upcomming battles, and may Remedial find his way to weight watchers.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.15 15:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: ArchenTheGreat ISS and ISSN are bunch of scumsuckers which can't defend own ships, nevermind of their assets. Do not expect them to defend you. All they can do is beg GM's to petition players instead of fight. Now to the topic... If you want to get safe jump to EC you can always ask DOOM/Exanimo/YNC for an entry fee. I am sure they will be helpful. If you are ISS/ISSN - don't bother. Awwww, someone is a little bitter that their alliance mate was banned for using a can-lag exploit and all of our lost ships at that POS are being re-imbursed by CCP. If you don't want petitions, don't use exploits - not difficult is it. In the meantime, we look forward to another 'free' bit of shooty shooty at the POS real soon First off im going to be showing a video soon of our small gank fleets doing hit and run on your fleet at the POS, this shows clearly how lagless it was at the time. This pathetic excuse for a terribly executed plan pulls the wool over no ones eyes, you may kid yourselves that you had lag, but as i repeatedly keep saying, how was it if the lag was so terrible that when our fleet turned up during the first attack, all but one person managed to warp away in time. The lag must have cleared for a split second, which was lucky for you i guess. Secondly isk wise... lol? you've nowhere near killed as much isk wise as you so claim, you brag about this stuff on your killboards which are not open to outsiders, so how the hell can you say your killboards are in anyway accurate, the people who actually do the killing dont get to see if its been posted. This in my opinion makes your killboard completely invalid, and our killboards show a true reflection of the war. And I challenge anyone here to find a kill on us that has not been posted. Furthermore I asked the ISSN about the rest of ISS and they said and i quote "we do not care about the rest of ISS". So what a great pointless navy you are. All in all you dont protect your own, you dont protect others, you show no proof of accuracy on killboards and you claim to hold EC-P8R whenever you want. When we are not on contract EC is more our system than anyone elses, sovereignty means nothing.
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.15 15:08:00 - [41] Ok, there are just a couple of points I'd like to point out about what happened that night. 1) I warped in to defend the POS with other alliance members, I got maybe 7-8 seconds of lag when I warped in, conditions for me where exactly the same as it was for ISS members once the screen loaded all modules were useable, ship was flyable and responded to all my commands. 2) On that night ISS warped into the POS 3 times, if the lag was so bad why did you come back after the first attempt? 3) ISS lost 26 Battleships getting that POS to 30% shield. 4) We removed the cans when asked to, why did you not attack the POS again? Could it be you knew lag was not an issue and you'd have your arses handed to you again. 5) When you did finally destroy it, you had to hire MC to bring in their dreads to help you do it. ISS have no credibility as an entity to me at all after the debarcle of that night, you underestimated our POS big time and used lag as a get out clause.
Martin Mckenna Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.15 15:11:00 - [42] GO DOOM! :P
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.15 15:17:00 - [43] PS. do you play eve on an amstrad?
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.15 18:07:00 - [44] Edited by: Assassin 2 on 15/08/2006 18:07:26 ouch. i sure do hate dissapointing people. But take a look to your left ISS. Thats right. im back and not going anywhere. This morning i killed my first BS kill (ISS APOC) since returning from my un-justified Ban and there WILL be many more but like others say. we dont blame CCP we blame ISS. Hence the long war and amount of ISK my alliance made you pay in response to you getting myself banned. However looks like it didnt work to well, you got humiliated and lost 30 Bs's due to poor planning and well...im still around.
Plague Rexus Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.15 18:17:00 - [45] Everyine is missing a fairly relevant point here lag or no, ISS attacked a purely defensive medium pos with BATTLESHIPS, tech one fitted BATTLESHIPS. In the name of the sweet lord what where they thinking.........
arjun Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.16 06:19:00 - [46] people which cause lag on purpose are p i g s and should be removed permanently from the game. bad job of ccp for not banning sheet like you for ever.
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 07:56:00 - [47] post with your main. or do you need to hide behind the alt
Simon Illian Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.16 08:21:00 - [48] arjun is not an alt ... look at his historic, he's a main (or i want all my alt able to fly Dread :p)
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 09:32:00 - [49] funny how, we have some pilot whos well up north no where near the system that all this took place in and has no knowledge of the situation is commenting and making rash sentences about myself. Be quiet. and continue to die up north mate, because if you come back a little bit south you will surely die here to me and my alliance. Disrespecting me on the forums for something i did not intend annoys me, CCP understood that this wasnt intended hence my unban. SO please shut up unless you know the facts.
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:16:00 - [50] Edited by: Illuminaty on 16/08/2006 11:22:52 Edit: For the record, this post is my opinion and contains 100% general purpose common sense, obvious observations as I see them, and absolutly nothing beyond that. Specifically to the OPs comments: 0.0 space has limited infrastructre. ISS provides infrastructure. I suggest examining the simple fact that you were able to dock in an outpost and rent an office, and understand that at that point you have already recieved a large ammount of services. Furthermore, understand that other people are recieving those exact same services, which allows you to conduct transactions in 0.0 instead of having to haul everything to empire, increasing both your time and losses. 0.0 space is simply not safe. If you can rely on ISSN to keep control of the outposts, then they are doing their job, and protecting YOU. You may or may not understand this, but if you have assets in a 0.0 outpost and another alliance seizes the outpost, and revokes your docking rights, your SOL about ever getting your stuff back unless you can negotiate with the group that seized the station (fat chance). You can't even escrow items in stations your locked out of. ISSN keeps that from happening, therefore ISSN protects YOU. The simple fact that there is ISSN activity at all, means that there are friendly pilots on comm channels that you can scream 'Oh my god they are killing me', and there is at least a chance that you might get help. To your ears that may sound like a 'lack of service' but you have to put that in context. In 0.0 you usually get zero help ever. Ask for help out in random 0.0 space and see how many people show up and try to kill you. I'll put it to you like this. If you want to be 100% safe and protected at all times, your going to have to start adding zero to all the associated fees. I don't think that is economically viable for anyone, especially when common sense can be developed on the cheap, and mitigates most risk factors. And yes, it was a 100m lesson. You chose to fly a ship and purchase services that your too inexperianced in game knowladge to use. It happens. I've done it. I'd suggest examining why you lost those 100m. If you learn an applicable lesson, you can write that 100m off as research. If you don't learn anything applicable, then you flushed 100m down the toilet. So long as you don't choose the 'flushy-flush' option, its all good.
Scarlet Pimpernel	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:22:00 - [51] Give it a rest D00M, or do you enjoy the sounds of your own voices against a background of no one else caring? Ass' you were banned, now your back, crisis over. Darknessssssss can now pack up his protest kit and you can all go camp EC/Torr to make yourselves feel better. Did you all group hug yet?
WarGod D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:27:00 - [52] Scarlet Pimpernel, this is no place for n00bs to be talking.. tho this is a thread about ISS And why hide ur corp info? im sure ur clan of f a gs wouldnt be happy with u, and enjoy ur mining contract. Velspar is very sharp im happy someone out there is making the belts safer. (lol ur HQ is in Kisogo State War Academy School) Having to guess no1 is that stupid to say something like that being a real n00b, i say carry on postin as ur alt, coz chances r if u do have a main, hes been a victim of the evil that goes on in EC many times. so no more talking from u. __ Cans were just 2 create can art, not make lag. it l00ked g00d :P ISSN do try to protect there safe if there around.. basin this on the fact that they shoot us :'( D00M. WarGods Kills
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel Give it a rest D00M, or do you enjoy the sounds of your own voices against a background of no one else caring? Ass' you were banned, now your back, crisis over. Darknessssssss can now pack up his protest kit and you can all go camp EC/Torr to make yourselves feel better. Did you all group hug yet? your a 5 month old newb, who are you and why are you replying to this topic? it has nothing to do with you.
Scarlet Pimpernel	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:46:00 - [54] Originally by: WarGod Scarlet Pimpernel, this is no place for n00bs to be talking.. tho this is a thread about ISS And why hide ur corp info? im sure ur clan of f a gs wouldnt be happy with u, and enjoy ur mining contract. Velspar is very sharp im happy someone out there is making the belts safer. (lol ur HQ is in Kisogo State War Academy School) Having to guess no1 is that stupid to say something like that being a real n00b, i say carry on postin as ur alt, coz chances r if u do have a main, hes been a victim of the evil that goes on in EC many times. so no more talking from u. __ Cans were just 2 create can art, not make lag. it l00ked g00d :P ISSN do try to protect there safe if there around.. basin this on the fact that they shoot us :'( Just so I know, which part of your post was supposed to offend me? To address your points in order though... Corp info is off by default and I've never got around to turning it on (because I'm not a forum 'dweller' like yourself) nothing more insidious than that I'm afraid. I'm sure if I were on school holidays with massive amounts of time to kill I'd get around to turning it on, unfortunately that was a long time ago. Do they only teach text speak junk at school these days? Makes you and your post look bad - oh and evading word filters is naughty and childish but if it makes you feel like a rebel more power to you I guess..... (trying to get a forum ban to keep up with your mate ass'in2s in game bad?) I wasn't aware it was required to have our corp HQ at an office we actually use, I'm sure CCP will thank you for pointing that out to the community though. I'll mention it to the CEO I'll doubt he'll care though I know I certainly don't (please try not to let this upset you further) You know, every once in a while its possible to be neither newb nor alt - but I'll let you wrestle with that one I'm sure CCP will let me know when I need your permission to post cheers, in the meantime forgive me if I keep posting without checking its ok with you first.
Scarlet Pimpernel	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Darknesss Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel Give it a rest D00M, or do you enjoy the sounds of your own voices against a background of no one else caring? Ass' you were banned, now your back, crisis over. Darknessssssss can now pack up his protest kit and you can all go camp EC/Torr to make yourselves feel better. Did you all group hug yet? your a 5 month old newb, who are you and why are you replying to this topic? it has nothing to do with you. So in addition to needing Wargods permission to post I need to explain who I am and why I am replying I think not, sorry. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your importance in the grand scheme of things
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:02:00 - [56] Originally by: HippoKing 60 cans cause a lot of lag Isn't this rather a serious problem in the game itself? It's a can, it doesn't move, it doesn't have high-polygon models, no AI, it just sits there. An additional can should surely cause less lag than an additional ship on the grid.
WarGod D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:20:00 - [57] Edited by: WarGod on 16/08/2006 14:21:12 Scarlet Pimpernel, Fact is, no1 knows who u r, and if gramma tips r the best u can do.. then just go home, or just go where your opinion is needed or wanted... WarGods looks around.. nope never heard of u before, never seen u before. and if i want advice from some little 10yr old bi tch who hides behind a computer all his life i'll ask for it. till then, turn the power button next 2 ur computer off and sit down and rethink ur entire life. oh, and how many formus post do u see me in? not many. forum 'dweller' where did that even come from? The only thing more wrong then the fact that ur an unknown anonymous player in eve, is that u try to make up for it on the forums by makin up things and hoping they r real... aww how nice. but dreamin ent gonna get u anywhere. I know we all shouldnt look down on u, but we carnt help it, its funny to see you "try" when theres clearly no chance of winning. oh, and that Mr WarGod 2 u. little boy/girl needs 2 learn some respect. You have taken up more of my time there ur worth.. consider urself honored i even spoke 2 u. D00M. WarGods Kills
WarGod D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:23:00 - [58] Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: HippoKing 60 cans cause a lot of lag Isn't this rather a serious problem in the game itself? It's a can, it doesn't move, it doesn't have high-polygon models, no AI, it just sits there. An additional can should surely cause less lag than an additional ship on the grid. Yes but have no fear. CCP r going 2 make the graphics in even EVEN BETTER!! that should sort the lag out D00M. WarGods Kills
Scarlet Pimpernel	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Assassin 2 pimpernel w/e pathetic name you are or hiding behind - you just got own3d. lol it is funny how people parade their 'cheekyness' on the internet. Especially through alts lol where are the mods? mods - hes alt trolling plz plz plz plz plz smack him. And the irony just keeps flowing (on oh so many levels)
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:24:00 - [60] lol be quiet.

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