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Jack Branigan
Deadspace Knights
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:02:00 -
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On another note I'm going to simply refer to this as the "FYH" patch. Because if feels like i just had the following convo with CCP.
CCP - "What do you enjoy about eve?"
Me - "Wormholes. That's all I like hence why my corp and I live in a very nice wormhole."
CCP - "Oh yeah? Well in that case........ **CK YOUR HOLE!"
hence why this will be called the "FYH" patch
Note: i'm putting this in a separate post so that if it gets deleted my previous legit comment will stay.... lol |
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
41
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:06:00 -
[872] - Quote
-_- |
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn
Querschlaeger
3
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:12:00 -
[873] - Quote
+1 for the change. i know this is bad for the high class groups but to be true. it's too easy atm. |
Icarus Able
The Scope
Gallente Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:40:00 -
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Ned Black wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:So thats the Second dev blog stating that this change is happening......THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD IF UR JUST GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY
also wtf with the nestor? I just listened to fozzie talking on down the pipe, He is clear that all options of keeping it, changing it, or removing it are on the table and they are closely watching these forums before they make a final decision. That seems fair and reasonable, no matter how much we dislike this new feature. As for the Nestor, it is too expensive and still insufficiently defined, hopefully that will change. I still cannot find a role for it other than bait. Sounds like stalling to me... At least if you start looking att CCPs track record about unpopular changes The ONLY time I am aware of CCP backpaddeling is with the P2W debacle, and that was not even a change but an internal news letter... after 5-10k canceled their accounds within a week or so... other than that... I have no recollection of CCP backing up on a new feature ever... they may "tweak" it, but it WILL come no matter what people say in this thread.
Loot Spew. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
708
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Posted - 2014.08.12 21:02:00 -
[875] - Quote
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:+1 for the change. i know this is bad for the high class groups but to be true. it's too easy atm.
This change doesn't make things hard though it just makes them tedious its actually worse for the smaller groups than the bigger entities in high class systems who can mostly defend their capitals and/or have good intel on what most of the groups likely to be a threat to them are doing at any one time. |
CorranCHalcyon
THE AESIR.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.12 21:11:00 -
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I have held off on posting feed back as to ensure I have a calm mind. So CCP, let us begin.
I must say the new suggested Mass Based Spawn Distance mechanic does not sit well with me. I do not own any capitol but, I still think this is a miss step on CCP's part.
This particular WH mechanic was fine first go. CCP Seagull has already state that she knows this will affect rage rolling. And it will. Rage rolling is a great way to hunt for targets when your chain is quiet or just dead. By implementing this new mechanic PVP and thus content creation will slow in W-space. This adds to the grind factor for players, as well as the delay/downtime for fleets when they are working to find PVP/content.
Anyone who has formed a PVP fleet and went roaming knows if you have repetitive activities (As the new mechanic would cause, jump, slow boat back to the hole, wash rinse repeat) the fleet gets bored and people start to go afk. Or if there is no targets (Delay caused by taking so long to rageroll) people start getting bored and leave fleet, or again go afk.
This mechanic would do more to protect capitals from dictors who might try to catch a capitol on a hole. This adds unneccesary delay to game play and provides capitol ships a nice distance away from the hole as to have a good chance of avoiding a dictor bubble.
As I said I do not own any capitols so this new mechanic would affect me less with my sub caps. But even with that, if I get webbed and killed on a hole because I spawn 10k away and I get webbed and pointed before I can burn back to the hole or warp off I am going to feel like CCP is screwing me over.
As for people who are saying they are tired of people jumping through a hole seeing hostiles and jumping back and getting away. That is why you have a dictor/HIC with you. Or you bring a fast/insta locking frig/T3. If you come prepared (As you should) you can get kills.
Most of the comments I have read who are praising this seem to come from players who live in Nullsec. Those who don't like W-space. Also who know little of W-space. A trend I have noticed from the CSM for the past several years is the Null reps have repeatedly proposed changes to W-space that would favor them than people who actually live in W-space.
CCP I have a suggestion. If you find it feasible, split the CSM into three smaller CSM councils of three or four people. One for Null, Lowsec and W-space. They would all have the same duties as the current incarnation of the CSM does, but they would also represent their own areas of space. Null would have no responsibilities nor any say in W-space or Lowsec. And the other two councils would follow the same guidelines respectively. Also with this paradigm for CSM it would break the sheer numbers that Null Alliances have to control the vote for the majority of the CSM. It would give other organizations to have a primary voice. |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3645
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Posted - 2014.08.12 22:59:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Pavel Sohaj wrote:
unlike now you could simply roll even when it wasn't safe. AFter change, nope. STuck, log off.
So log off and cry me a river. You rolling your chain safely and then continuing to carebear away benefits no one. You logging off cause it wasn't perfectly safe for you to achieve a Wh with no entry points actually benefits the rest of the players that actually only PVE to PVP by increasing the value of MNR's when all you whining carebears can't farm more then you should be.
what the hell does it have to do with PVE?
This doesnt affect PVE groups anywhere NEAR as much as it affects PVP groups.
say a small 30 man PVP only corp that has 4 people on is looking for a chain to find some PVP in, maybe a route to HS to get some pilots back in after they were podded, and they roll into NOHO, or HK, or SSC or any other group that has 40 people on and that the small corp can in no way fight.
what are they meant to do?
currently, they can roll the hole with a reasonable amount of safety (though it's still risky to roll against people who know what they are doing) and continue looking for action they can handle.
after the change? well, what are they meant to do now?
They can't roll the hole at all so their options are to ask the larger corp to do so/let them roll, which they may or may not want to do, or they can sit in their POS and do nothing.
Yeah, great choices all around.
i cannot understand how anyone who has lived in WHs as long as you can support this. to me it's laughable that you even try defend it.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:00:00 -
[878] - Quote
FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into..
WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? |
Sith1s Spectre
1147
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:08:00 -
[879] - Quote
Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?
Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie.
The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop.
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:25:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:
*deletes 35b in assets, and biomass's characters*
Can i haz ur stuff? (dang it too late)
LOL, that reminds me of CEO tears in local from a WH corp we sieged. He was busy self destructing T3s cause he couldn't bring a fight against 2-3 guards waiting out the reinforcement period. |
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3645
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:47:00 -
[881] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop.
Yeah I agree, activity levels in C5/6 space are too damn high!!! 
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
132
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Posted - 2014.08.13 02:42:00 -
[882] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. Yeah I agree, activity levels in C5/6 space are too damn high!!!
I too would like to move into C7 space. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1556
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:37:00 -
[883] - Quote
There has to be a balance between risk and reward for PVE, and between PVP and PVE.
Risks for competent carebears who have decent probe alts and a basic grasp of maths is, prior to Hyperion, about zero. prior to the removal of API kill logs from wormholes, there was always a risk of Blood union doing a logoff trap and scuttling your escalation bear quad. Now, almost zero chance as long as you don't religiously sign on every day at the same time for 3 weeks in a row and are coincidentally on someone's watch list.
The supporters of this change are, in my opinion, not thinking this through in depth. Proximally, yes, this does increase risk in jumping a wormhole, all the way from C1 through C6 space, as only frigs get to spawn more than 0% of the time in jump range.
lets be honest, fighting on highsec is dull. people just jump in, tank a bit, and jump out. Hyperion will discourage this in high-mass ships because you may well get webbed down off the hole (Vigilants online, srsly) and popped. By high-mass i mean anything with a 1600 plate running a prop mod. So, yes, this is good and i support anything that prevents dull cowardly highsec games.
However, by the time you get mass up to Orca levels, the risk level has just got to be murderous as this change is proposed. While I think this will result in more juicy whale meat and i like my whale meat, this won't last. Soon the whales will be endangered and rarely seen, and you'll have Greenpeace up in your junk. Again, proximally, this looks like a great idea. Even moreso with capitals.
Dig a bit deeper.
As jack and others with a tenth of a brain have been saying, the harder it is to rage roll, the harder it is to generate content. W-space is dead enough as it is. I regularly scan for 5 hours, generate 20 wormholes and clog siggy with empty holes. Then the choice is, a) just deal with it and log off, b) respawn and roll again.
If it is slower or functionally nearly impossible to respawn and roll again, this strands you with whatever you have, for hours.
CCP has been slowly trying to make the production of ISK and items in-game a less bot-oriented, less vending machine, more interactive (click button, get candy) process. Wormhole ISk generation is about as intensive a click and chore fest as it gets - far easier to put up with the neckbearded prats in Incursions for 100-125M ISK per hour, than spend 2 hours securing your hole (for no return) and then going through the motions. Comms are more pleasant, but you need alts, mates, or to roll yourself inside the hole.
The tension in wormholes is between farmers, and farmer farmers. Right now the balance is heavily in favour of the farmer, with insta-closing C5 holes. In a way the change is perhaps Fozzie realising the removal of API kill logs is a bit too far, I don't know, but it is arguable you shouldn't be able to do it...but lets be honest, people will find a way.
The point is not whether this throws the risk/reward balance out, but whether this prevents people rolling holes to create content. What's the point, baldly speaking, of putting 20 hours worth of ship on the line, and spend 2 hours safely rolling, to roll a hole to create yourself another 4 hours of work finding nothing.
J's before K's.
Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today!
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
144
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:42:00 -
[884] - Quote
Witchway wrote:I too would like to move into C7 space.
SOV in C7, titan escalations, capital sleepers....
+1 |
Julia Rusakova
Area51.net
0
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:28:00 -
[885] - Quote
Quote: We are not satisfied with how easy and safe it is to close wormholes that could potentially allow other players to interact with W-space operations, as the risk of player interaction should always be the main source of tension and danger in W-space.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this comment.
1. Its not easy. It takes numbers of hours of skill training and a nearly 1+bil ship. You can't get some beginner pilot to be roll a hole. This doesn't mean its a good idea to junk the whole idea of having mass restrictions. Mass restrictions make the pvp and the pve great.
2. Every system I warp into in k-space nearly has a wormhole that one can go explore. The enticing idea is that this is a "hidden" space under normal space and there should be some tricks to getting there. Otherwise we reduce this to just another lowsec want-to-be.
3. There's plenty of danger in wormholes today. Ask any new player, or maybe just any player in general and they won't tell you that WH space is safe. Make it more dangerous and no one will want to be there.
4. With all the danger, what's the point of running sites? That is, unless you crave hot drops.
One of the key factors that separates k-space from wormhole is the very ability to control the space unlike the rest of the entire game. The current system allows for a whole other dynamic in wormholes not found anywhere else. Its used by pvpers and carebears alike for different purposes and has a really nice balance as it is. By flattening this out, you remove a key part of how wormholes are differentiated from k-space.
It seems to me that the whole idea was a knee jerk reaction to "RageRolling" rather than a feature that benefits the community. The statement says it all, and I quote:
Quote:This change would indeed increase the amount of time involved in GÇ£ragerollingGÇ¥ (intentionally collapsing static wormhole connections repeatedly to search for targets), but we believe that with the correct values ragerolling can still be viable and that the increase in random wormholes will provide a secondary outlet for players looking for fights without needing to rageroll as often.
There are other reasons people roll holes other than ragerolling. Ragerolling itself provides content and additional experiences so I don't see the problem. Closing a hole temporarily to have a temporary safe harbor to gather resources and run sites is not a negative thing. By removing this, you cause an imbalance and make it incredibly dangerous and pretty much useless for smaller corps. So in essence you make it hard for people to move into wormholes in the first place. Rolling a hole is by no means child's play and is not an exploit as it seems to be the connotation.
In short, please oh please don't do the following:
1. Make wormhole space into another lowsec
2. Make wormhole space into another nullsec
Be creative and keep wormhole space unique. |
Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
34
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:50:00 -
[886] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop.
But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs? |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:31:00 -
[887] - Quote
Pavel Sohaj wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs?
So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3650
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:42:00 -
[888] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Pavel Sohaj wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs? So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
Yes (even assuming it WAS risk free, which it isnt and I know you know better than that.)
It's also not like this only affects small farmer groups badly, it literally affects every single group that lives in WHs badly, as well as everyone in NULL who like closing WHs.
There's literal zero upside for anyone anywhere with this change
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
34
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:52:00 -
[889] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Pavel Sohaj wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs? So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
Risk free? :D cool, but not real. There is no such thing. Not much mass needed for small T3 gang to ruin your day. Plus they can go in cloaked. |
Ness Phase
Hard Knocks Inc.
14
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:15:00 -
[890] - Quote
In short term I like the change, in the long term I do not like this change. This change is mildly annoying for larger groups but I personally see it devastating for smaller groups. |
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Maduin Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:20:00 -
[891] - Quote
Well devblog for Hyperion is up and this change is still included. No dev posts in here either. So if you're a small corp, get ready that log-off in the POS button. You'll be using it more. A lot more. |
Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
4
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:03:00 -
[892] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Pavel Sohaj wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs? So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
You can always close of and crit holes prior to run sites or whatever activties, but someone can roll into you whenever. A smaller group is actually more prone to get whacked, than a larger that could field a response and try secure assets. In that way a smaller group take greater risk.
We lost caps a few times to rolling holes, nothing risk free about it.
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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
211
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:37:00 -
[893] - Quote
Has Fozzie actually replied in this thread at all after dropping this bombshell of an idea on us? |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency
Bloodline.
225
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:52:00 -
[894] - Quote
Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?
as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole.
nullsec is why plex is 800mill. |
Montgomery Black
Sefem Velox
Swift Angels Alliance
57
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:54:00 -
[895] - Quote
Mr Floydy wrote:Has Fozzie actually replied in this thread at all after dropping this bombshell of an idea on us?
He is probably sitting under his desk hyperventilating into a brown paper bag wondering how to extract himself from this mess  |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:19:00 -
[896] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill.
Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Thargor
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
0
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:25:00 -
[897] - Quote
All this will do is make small scale ventures almost impossible while making the huge 0.0 type alliances the only way to secure this kind of space, which will be pointless due to lack of value per player in there been diluted to nothing per player if they did. It would also make these 0.0 alliances considering adding even more of this space to their empires as it will be more viable to their large groups than before. A Lot of players who live in wormholes do so because they are fed up of how 0.0 is controlled and fought over, or because they want a break from their wars there, its not just about the revenue made.
The choice of making K162 holes not show until jumped through will be a nightmare for small scale ventures, great for pew pew addicts though, still a bad call imho.
CCP you are listening too much to the wrong people who are complaining to get more pew pew chances. Active subscriptions are already down due to the plex issue and Industry changes being a bad call, now this, I already know of 6 players who are looking at closing their accs and not bothering with game (2 of which have been playing since beta). How many more will you push out? Start listening to the community it effects fully like Traiori's post, not the people who just want more space in their pockets or easier kills.
These changes for the most part are bad choices by CCP, I hope you reconsider your choices here CCP. |
Katerin Archer
Total.
Fractal Multiversity
3
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:32:00 -
[898] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
I think that every small group has an undisputed right to be efficient. If you disagree, please state a real reason. |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:46:00 -
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Katerin Archer wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:
So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
I think that every small group has an undisputed right to be efficient. If you disagree, please state a real reason.
Can you please show me where I said efficient in my post?
There's nothing wrong with people farming in small groups to min/max their income (and i do it myself).
The problem I have is with those same groups who have chosen to min/max their income (we're talking 5/6 space here) then being able to close any threat to their operations with minimum risk providing they're scouting correctly.
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:09:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill. Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space
I dunno, I moved out of c5 wh space because its easier and safer to make isk in null and I get to shoot more goons and cvgays. my kb has never been this green and my wallet this full. |
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