Again, was also something that was brought up at the town hall. Both ideas were ripe with discussion and both met with decent feedback. While I do like the idea of speed in defines the out distance, I think people may abuse that specific system and tackle their own rolling ships so they spawn at 0 on the other side.

How is that abuse.

It seems like a creative mechanic.

Time to plagiarise again.

Here's the hard truth: If you don't live in W-space, and you've never lived there, your opinion about how W-space should or shouldn't be is worse than irrelevant: you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head.

How is that abuse.

It seems like a creative mechanic.

my only concern with that is it will involve waay too much new code over any and all other changes they have made being far simpler changes of existing code. the inverted mass changes is by far the best suggestion apart from scrapping it completely.

that said with the amount of damage already done it will take a long time for whs to recover even if they magically revert tomorrow at dt. the numbers will reflect what we have been saying and it will be hilarious to see when they finally go 'oh, oops'. we can argue, troll and theory craft all we want, aint going to make a tiny bit of difference anymore. I will savor that 'I told you so' I can almost taste it already.

Thanks very much for a solid, reasonable and concise response without using veiled personal attacks or trolling.

I'll pass this on directly to development.

Can we add random total mass to wormholes.
Now it is just to easy - each WH have known total mass until it close.
Can we put 20% random?

corbexx wrote:
Here's the hard truth: If you don't live in W-space, and you've never lived there, your opinion about how W-space should or shouldn't be is worse than irrelevant: you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head.

Can we add random total mass to wormholes.
Now it is just to easy - each WH have known total mass until it close.
Can we put 20% random?

Funfact, that was my suggestion for too safe closing of C5/6s, just up the 10% deviation to 50/60%. Sadly CCP already was set on their way and never cared for alternatives.

Can we add random total mass to wormholes.
Now it is just to easy - each WH have known total mass until it close.
Can we put 20% random?

Talking to old corpmates (including the CEO) from a relatively big c5 pvp/pve wh corp, I'm relieved to see that most people are actually quite unconcerned about this change and w-space is not in the state of hysterical anger and grieving despair this thread makes it look to be

From those I've talked to there are quite a few unconcerned about it, there are quite a few who think its a bad idea to vary degrees and I've yet to find anyone who is actually for it - other than the fact they like that their scouts and blockade runners are safer than ever.

Can we add random total mass to wormholes.
Now it is just to easy - each WH have known total mass until it close.
Can we put 20% random?

That is not really surprising because the change does not directly benefit any individual in their daily life (except while scouting/hauling). Its sense is clearly strategic and transcending individual players or corporations, and obviously 99% of players don't get that or don't care because they only see their own short-term convenience and disruption of routines established over many years.

Talking to old corpmates (including the CEO) from a relatively big c5 pvp/pve wh corp, I'm relieved to see that most people are actually quite unconcerned about this change and w-space is not in the state of hysterical anger and grieving despair this thread makes it look to be

Only as pointed out it largely doesn't address the issue(s) it was supposed to while having a largely negative aspect on day to day activities for the sake of mixing up the dynamic in some fringe cases. If the concerns of "safe" collapsing and frequency of collapsing are really such an issue there are much better ways to address that (technical considerations aside) while there are some potential ways this kind of mechanism could be used to mix up the meta a bit without impacting on the tedious day to day activities.

or be replaced by people who embrace the new environment. But I could be wrong. Or maybe there was no plan at all and Fozzie just hates us, who knows ^^

Funfact, that was my suggestion for too safe closing of C5/6s, just up the 10% deviation to 50/60%. Sadly CCP already was set on their way and never cared for alternatives.

corbexx wrote:
Here's the hard truth: If you don't live in W-space, and you've never lived there, your opinion about how W-space should or shouldn't be is worse than irrelevant: you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head.

With no reasons officially given, I assume that the intent is to discourage collapsing in general. This assumption is supported by the fact that we got a huge amount of additional connections to compensate. My conclusion is that someone wants us to stop collapsing holes and this someone thinks that it is better to have a more persistent web of connected systems instead of the countless islands of isolation we have now. People are being forced to exert control over space instead of control over connections.

I happen to like this thinking. Most people here apparently don't. I think they will change their mind eventually, or be replaced by people who embrace the new environment. But I could be wrong. Or maybe there was no plan at all and Fozzie just hates us, who knows ^^

After the change, we login and notice 4 wormholes connecting to us (almost every single night). We would spend an average of 1-1.5 hours closing wormholes/ensuring security to our Orca's whilst closing to run sites/mine for two hours, then go to bed.