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Azurfale
Machtpolitik
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:37:00 -
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6 months ago our CEO passed away, CCP was kind enough to give CEO to a member so that we could continue in that regard. At the time of his passing our corp was moving regions and so a lot of courier contracts were assigned to his character. GM told me yesterday to cancel the contracts so obviuosly he's never played before because the items will stay where they are. Also most our corp assets like BPOs etc are on his characters which is the stuff we'd really like to get back. CCP says we cannot get any of those items back.
Sorry if this is TL;DR but I thought there was precedent for this happening and the corp got all their stuff back (maybe they weren't moving at the time it happened so stuff was organized) and when i got the "we're not doing **** to help you" response it kinda pissed me off. |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
Pandorum Invictus
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:41:00 -
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You know, taking your CEOs stuff would be kinda like gravelooting. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:44:00 -
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If the stuff was in his hangar then it belonged to HIM, not the corp. Therefore, you have no claim to it (and rightly so, in my opinion, as it sets a dangerous precedent). Guess you're shit outta luck, son. |
Azurfale
Machtpolitik
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:44:00 -
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Not really asking for his stuff. Ships at least are clearly marked in his hanger for corp, and courier contracts cannot be completed without him.
Mostly I want people to get their stuff back, corp assets can be re-purchased (it would just be nice since they are collecting space dust anyway). When I was told we were not getting the assets back I asked about the courier contracts that were assigned to him. This is the response:
Edit: Posting GM correspondence is not allowed on the forums.
Obviously never played eve before or at least never done a courier contract. |
Bryant21
Interest Recovery Service
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:57:00 -
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Scumbag Poster: Title Says CCP Wont Help, CCP Actually Helped. |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:00:00 -
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I was expecting the usual "sniff sniff, he was lika a father to me.." etc etc
But this was even worse, no fake tears, no sad faces...just pure greed...
/shrugs
Another glorious day in EvE... |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:04:00 -
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Azurfale wrote:6GM told me yesterday to cancel the contracts so obviuosly he's never played before because the items will stay where they are. Also most our corp assets like BPOs etc are on his characters which is the stuff we'd really like to get back. CCP says we cannot get any of those items back.
Sorry if this is TL;DR but I thought there was precedent for this happening and the corp got all their stuff back (maybe they weren't moving at the time it happened so stuff was organized) and when i got the "we're not doing **** to help you" response it kinda pissed me off.
If they were corp assets and courier contracts were made out of corp hangars and/or the delivery box, then they'll drop back into those places. The lesson to take away from this is, don't let individuals pull all of the corp assets into their own hangars. Its a shame to have to learn it the hard way. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:05:00 -
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CCP doesn't know for sure he passed away. As disgusting as it would be, it could well have been a scam and he just stole everyone's stuff and let the sub run out until such time he feels safe to log on and move it all. No disrespect to your friend, i'm sure that's not the case, but CCP can't move assets from one char to another, or affect them in any way without being sure.
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Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:07:00 -
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I believe CCP has done all they can in this case. Graverobbing your CEO's hangar sets a dangerous precedent as was mentioned earlier.
TEST pets are worse than actual TEST. You disgust me. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:07:00 -
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Something just occurred to me. You say these are courier contracts. Who are the contracts to? If they're internal and there is no collateral, just accept and fail them. Problem solved. |
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:11:00 -
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Items, no matter how they are labeled, in personal hangars are owned by the player who owns the hangar. No exceptions.
if the items were placed in a corp hangar, then when CEO was transferred to new pilot, the items in corp hangers would be accessible to the new CEO (assuming no one else had roles).
Courier contracts to "expired" pilots always can be cancelled and the items go back to where the contract was formed. This is how it has always been. If those items are now in an outpost owned by someone who might be less than friendly, see if you can open up a diplomatic line and work out something. However, this is a good lesson to learn that you never ever keep really expensive stuff in a conquerable outpost. |
De'Veldrin
Element 27
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:21:00 -
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Joe SMASH wrote:Items, no matter how they are labeled, in personal hangars are owned by the player who owns the hangar. No exceptions.
if the items were placed in a corp hangar, then when CEO was transferred to new pilot, the items in corp hangers would be accessible to the new CEO (assuming no one else had roles).
Courier contracts to "expired" pilots always can be cancelled and the items go back to where the contract was formed. This is how it has always been. If those items are now in an outpost owned by someone who might be less than friendly, see if you can open up a diplomatic line and work out something. However, this is a good lesson to learn that you never ever keep really expensive stuff in a conquerable outpost.
Or if you do, you keep a jump clone there to run the firesale.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Khamned
Hikivirta
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:33:00 -
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let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll? |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:35:00 -
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Time to move on kid. Appreciate what you've got left.
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:48:00 -
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I am the character whom all those things belong to. Please, CCP, dump them all in my hangar...in um...Jita. Yeah, that's a convenient spot to sell reclaim my belongings. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:54:00 -
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Tear Miner wrote:
TEST pets are worse than actual TEST. You disgust me.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:14:00 -
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I spoke to your CEO on his deathbed and his dying wish was that I have all his stuff.
Make it so, CCP. |
Graelyn
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:19:00 -
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Khamned wrote:let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll?
Dragons? It can't be.
+ Cardinal Graelyn +
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:22:00 -
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Yeah.. i use to be a gravelooter like you.
Then i took an arrow to the knee.
Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:38:00 -
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Posting in support for CCP.
I for one would like to think that my online game persona would not be looted in the untimely even of my real life death. I find it warming that even in the event of saddening circumstances CCP still abide by their terms and conditions. The virtual items were in his account and therefore his property, you were merely stakeholders but most definitely not the owner at the end of the day.
Well done CCP and Rest in Peace to the person who died. |
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Midori Tsu
Evolution
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:51:00 -
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.
-You assigned courier contracts to him.
-Accepted them
-He passed away
Is this what happened? y/n |
Azurfale
Machtpolitik
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:57:00 -
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Yes corp was moving, people had courier contracts assigned to him, he passed away. |
Duke Hamilton1
Judgment Day Technology
SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:08:00 -
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Very sorry to hear about your loss. Only way to get around this would be if he left it in his will or last testament. CCP can't start DE-constructing accounts unless its in the persons wishes.
Would be interesting to see if CCP followed a persons will in this respect.
Anyway it all can be replaced in time. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:51:00 -
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The OP is right, the handling of CCP regarding this sad situation is despicable.
Also this puts my plans to corp infiltrate and then kill the CEO's on hold, as it seems to not be possible due to the stupid GMs.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:18:00 -
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post ccp a copy of the ceo's death certificate. maybe then they might believe you. otherwise your out of luck it would seem
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:25:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:The OP is right, the handling of CCP regarding this sad situation is despicable.
Also this puts my plans to corp infiltrate and then kill the CEO's on hold, as it seems to not be possible due to the stupid GMs.
Ahem I used to dissapear from eve 6-9 months at a time.
And others knew about it.
What if I got reported as dead in that time frame what then?
I come back and find all of my stuff gone removed because somone claimed I was dead isnt a valid excuse to reposses something that clearly belonged to the person in question.
CCP took proper response and did the one thing that If I came back from my hiatus wouldnt surprise me if it where so that the CEO gets transfered.
How would you like if it your best friend knew you where going on a long business trip and tried to record you as dead. Would you like it if he stole all of your BPOs you privately owned?
Now the CEO holding onto the BPOs of the corp is a another manner but that is no different from CORP THEFT in a scenario such as this thus its allowed and further more TOUGH LUCK.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
The Silent One's
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:26:00 -
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Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation?
Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:48:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation?
Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve
by contacting the account owner ? like via e-mail ???
Then finish it with following line
If you dont answer this email in *some time* we would consider *some action* as appropriate ..
f.e. ??
Either way its not like its impossible. Even if he is not, not responding to such email will actually cover the come-back rage.
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Lugia3
Triangular Initiative
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:56:00 -
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If you don't mind mind me asking, how did your CEO die and how did you find out? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:57:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:If you don't mind mind me asking, how did your CEO die and how did you find out?
thats actually interesting question ...
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